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On August 27 2021 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2021 20:59 yepjan wrote:On August 25 2021 10:45 QOGQOG wrote:On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote:
What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic.
Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: If all that matters is the Liquipedia label then winning a Dreamhack: NA and winning a Code S are equal achievements as they're both "Premier." Is that your argument? Because that's going to be a... difficult position to defend. but it is still true. liquidpedia is the only "official" we have anything else is just an opinion Rofl, that is so dumb. So when people thought that earth was flat, it was written down in books to teach to children, it was the only objective truth? Come on, someone has written it like that to Liquipedia, the tiering there has the exact same worth as someone elses opinion, except that its super duper ultra stupid and incorrect.
but that is exactly what it is. all rules, thinghs etc.were written down by someone and as long as ppl accept it, it will be the truth
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On August 27 2021 23:23 yepjan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2021 23:18 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 27 2021 20:59 yepjan wrote:On August 25 2021 10:45 QOGQOG wrote:On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote:
What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic.
Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: If all that matters is the Liquipedia label then winning a Dreamhack: NA and winning a Code S are equal achievements as they're both "Premier." Is that your argument? Because that's going to be a... difficult position to defend. but it is still true. liquidpedia is the only "official" we have anything else is just an opinion Rofl, that is so dumb. So when people thought that earth was flat, it was written down in books to teach to children, it was the only objective truth? Come on, someone has written it like that to Liquipedia, the tiering there has the exact same worth as someone elses opinion, except that its super duper ultra stupid and incorrect. but that is exactly what it is. all rules, thinghs etc.were written down by someone and as long as ppl accept it, it will be the truth.
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France12912 Posts
I don't see the problem though? Tiers define a standard minimum. But inside the same tier you can have tournaments with more importance than others, it's just that you don't want to make another tier for these tournaments only. Therefore, the highest tier is "premier", but inside that tier there are two tournaments standing above the others: GSL Code S and World Championship (IEM Katowice + BlizzCon when it existed, now just IEM Katowice=BlizzCon renamed). But they didn't want to make another tier like "super premier" for just 2 tournaments, which is understandable.
About Trap winning one or the other, there is not a lot of these tournaments happening in a given year, so there will be only a handful of players that will win them each year.
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Germany339 Posts
On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote:
What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic.
Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll:
to clarify a few things:
- we have pretty clear criteria for our tier system, which can be found here
- a tier only says that a certain MINIMUM of criteria is reached, of course there are differences in prestige and weight of tournaments within a tier. (be it a $3k tier 3 event being way more important than a $100 tier 3 event or be it a a GSL compared to a NA regional)
- we have weight factors on Liquipedia which you can not see but that are used internally in some modules and templates
- as an example: GSL place 1 has a weight of 160,000 while EU regional place 1 has a weight of 86,000 and NA regional place 1 has a weight of 55,600
- the difference in the weights is mostly explainable due to the prize pool differences, but you also should keep in mind the lower quality of players
- you may notice that NA barely doesn't meet the criteria for tier 1, we as admins decided to still grant it tier 1 as it is way more prestigious compared to the other regions (except eu and kr) which are set as tier 2
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On August 30 2021 14:15 hjpalpha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote:
What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic.
Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: to clarify a few things: - we have pretty clear criteria for our tier system, which can be found here
- a tier only says that a certain MINIMUM of criteria is reached, of course there are differences in prestige and weight of tournaments within a tier. (be it a $3k tier 3 event being way more important than a $100 tier 3 event or be it a a GSL compared to a NA regional)
- we have weight factors on Liquipedia which you can not see but that are used internally in some modules and templates
- as an example: GSL place 1 has a weight of 160,000 while EU regional place 1 has a weight of 86,000 and NA regional place 1 has a weight of 55,600
- the difference in the weights is mostly explainable due to the prize pool differences, but you also should keep in mind the lower quality of players
- you may notice that NA barely doesn't meet the criteria for tier 1, we as admins decided to still grant it tier 1 as it is way more prestigious compared to the other regions (except eu and kr) which are set as tier 2
Don't listen to him. Tournament tiers were inscribed on stone tablets handed down from on high and shall never be questioned. Those who attempt to do so shall be region locked out of the earth itself.
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Germany339 Posts
On August 30 2021 16:27 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2021 14:15 hjpalpha wrote:On August 25 2021 07:12 Philippe wrote:
What matters is the Liquipedia terminology in that case and not somebody who has a more restrictive point of view in that topic.
Regional Premiers tournaments are still Premiers for a reason, and following that restrictive logic, then TSL 7 which is labeled a Premier should be a minor ? :eyeroll: to clarify a few things: - we have pretty clear criteria for our tier system, which can be found here
- a tier only says that a certain MINIMUM of criteria is reached, of course there are differences in prestige and weight of tournaments within a tier. (be it a $3k tier 3 event being way more important than a $100 tier 3 event or be it a a GSL compared to a NA regional)
- we have weight factors on Liquipedia which you can not see but that are used internally in some modules and templates
- as an example: GSL place 1 has a weight of 160,000 while EU regional place 1 has a weight of 86,000 and NA regional place 1 has a weight of 55,600
- the difference in the weights is mostly explainable due to the prize pool differences, but you also should keep in mind the lower quality of players
- you may notice that NA barely doesn't meet the criteria for tier 1, we as admins decided to still grant it tier 1 as it is way more prestigious compared to the other regions (except eu and kr) which are set as tier 2
Don't listen to him. Tournament tiers were inscribed on stone tablets handed down from on high and shall never be questioned. Those who attempt to do so shall be region locked out of the earth itself.
lol
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