• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:25
CET 09:25
KST 17:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down20ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League92
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 Power Rank: epic29 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign Bot on ladder Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs BA 2026-10-30 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Star Con San Diego 2026 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread R I P Patrick Stewart
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8054 users

DreamHack Masters: Fall - Official Survey

Forum Index > SC2 General
62 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33712 Posts
September 20 2020 20:09 GMT
#1
Now that DreamHack Masters: Fall has concluded, ESL has opened up another survey for feedback from the fans.

Please leave your feedback so that ESL and DreamHack can continue to improve upon their events!

Facebook Twitter Reddit
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
MeistrVasqus
Profile Joined July 2014
Germany2 Posts
September 20 2020 20:37 GMT
#2
Great Event. I really love the camera view of the players, so amazing to see the players reaction.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33712 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 20:52:44
September 20 2020 20:52 GMT
#3
Asking for the return of picture-in-picture multiscreen during intense multitasking moments
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Tamerlane
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada426 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 21:09:13
September 20 2020 20:55 GMT
#4
- The EU+NA group stage coverage was too long for the casters. They were exhausted and the quality dropped significantly towards the end, specially when some matches lasted much longer than usual. I think a relatively easy fix would be to swap the casting team for the NA matches. Another option would be to reduce the number of series for the EU side per day, but I think the number of series was good as it were for the viewer-side of things.

- The Group stage of the finals was comparatively very short. I think the first day was done in something like 3 hours IIRC? And in general, those were much more interesting and competitive series than region qualifiers. It would have been interesting for the viewers to have more games from these players. I think a format change is in order. A few ideas: have more than 16 players qualify, use a full round robin (is the dual tournament format wanted for a specific reason IDK about?) and/or or replace bo3 with bo5 series.

- I think the NA and EU scene has much more talent than it used to just a couple of years ago. It's not just 2-3 players that are able to beat Koreans anymore. So, when players like Neeb, PtitDrogo and HeRoMaRinE (and others) don't reach the Finals, it makes me wonder how many good games we missed because these great players narrowly didn't make it. I think having an extra 4 players in such Finals would be good, specially for the group stage.

edit: I think there's also enough parity between players to extend the duration of the Finals Playoffs to a double elimination format. I have the impression we wouldn't have been bored at all to watch Serral play against Rogue/Stats/TY.
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
September 20 2020 20:58 GMT
#5
I only watched this weeks global matches. A couple of groups and the playoffs were all I watched. The quarterfinals and onwards were some of the best games I've seen this year.

I nominate game 1 of semifinal #2 as Game of the year.
Random Platinum EU
kugHop
Profile Joined January 2016
Luxembourg44 Posts
September 20 2020 21:04 GMT
#6
It was sad that casters were repeatedly wrong or completely overhyping one player while ignoring the other. Casting was kind of lackluster for the entire event and I cannot understand why they force casters to work at 4 AM local time. The talent was not used very well during the event which made it difficult to watch at times. The games were top and I cannot wait to experience the event live someday.
...and on the final day, our Lord and Savior, Maru, and his disciples sOs and Rogue appeared before us and said: Don't worry my loyal fans for Proleague will forever be our Kingdom!"
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary418 Posts
September 20 2020 21:07 GMT
#7
BO5 for finals group stage games please.
And, if that is possible, would like to have a more transparent bracket generation process,
like a live show with real dices / draws from a hat and stuff like that.
Nathanias could dress for the occasion as Riddler -.-
One more, please show the server on the screen somehow. Is it possible to show live updated pings to players? (I know technically it is, players could have installed a simple tool to ping and report ping to production).
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 20 2020 21:24 GMT
#8
More Player cams and Interviews even for the smaller regions and group Stage matches. Give those lesser known Players some time in the spotlight as well
MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
September 20 2020 21:33 GMT
#9
For w/e reasons the observer of the finals missed something and it looked like he wasn't cooperating with the commentary. Not sure if it's the online issue, the person was tired, just mentioning it here. No big deal. I saw like 4 matches, so, uh...
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
September 21 2020 05:28 GMT
#10
part of my criticism:
- for eu division change the schedule, so that it is 2 groups in one week and the other 2 groups in the next week, instead of 4 groups in 2 weeks (the current schedule is imo annoying)
- allow personal streams again!!!
- less TalkCraft more StarCraft
- better announcements of schedules and such```
LiquipediaSCV ready | SC2-Liquipedia Admin, reviewer and editor | Wax called me a Liquipedia wizard in one of his articles for 2019 WCS Standings
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2020 05:48 GMT
#11
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.
Sorathez
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia209 Posts
September 21 2020 05:50 GMT
#12
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.
There's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep trying till you run out of cake.
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2020 06:39 GMT
#13
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
September 21 2020 06:42 GMT
#14
Felt like average online tournament to me with weird schedule. Casting, observing and production in general felt average and nothing stood out. Highlight was finnish casting with fuzer.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 21 2020 07:40 GMT
#15
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.


It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad.
There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on.


MaxPax
IMSupervisor
Profile Joined June 2016
Australia138 Posts
September 21 2020 07:54 GMT
#16
This tournament made me realise 2 things I had never thought about before.

1. I don't ever want to hear a guitar again when a player is being introduced. It's the lamest kind of introduction I think I have ever heard.
2. The vods being uploaded to Youtube are cut too short after the final victory. Please let me decide when I am done listening to the commentary and analysis of the games.
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
September 21 2020 07:58 GMT
#17
On September 21 2020 16:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.


It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad.
There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on.




I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers.

As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports.
Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple.

I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 21 2020 08:06 GMT
#18
On September 21 2020 16:58 serralfan18 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 16:40 dbRic1203 wrote:
On September 21 2020 15:39 serralfan18 wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:50 Sorathez wrote:
On September 21 2020 14:48 serralfan18 wrote:
Play offline again. It's way more fair for everyone. Just wear a mask and social distance and everyone will be safe. It's that simple.

With international flights being cut down and the difficulty and expense of travelling between countries at the moment, this just isn't feasible.


I would cut the prize pool by 10% and not use 5 star hotels. Also, traveling internationally is possible right now.


It s different in every country. For example everyone from Korea would have to stay in complete isolation in a hotel for 2 weeks upon coming back home from the trip. Those are afaik realy realy bad.
There are many countries that still have travel bans in place for several countries. So it would be pretty much impossible to find a location, where all players actually can get to and get back home from without lengthy and costly isolation and so on.




I'm pretty sure ESL can find legal loopholes around any travel bans - they can just hire some law consultants or talk to lawyers.

As for Korea, I went there in the middle of the pandemic. Regarding the two week quarantine thing, you can stay at a friend or family's house and isolate for two weeks. So they can all stay in the Jinair Team House or a Korean friend's house like Tasteless or Artosis. I'm sure they are willing to help out ESL in the name of Esports.
Then they play the weekend tournament from the dorms/apartments/houses on the KR server. It's really that simple.

I do not get why ESL is trying to make this so complicated.

It's literally way less complicated than what you're suggesting and also way safer for everyone potentially involved.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 21 2020 08:26 GMT
#19
It will be great if, after the survey, they could release some meta info. I am quite interested of the gender gap in Esports is being reduced or not and the avg age of sc2 fans.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-21 09:06:48
September 21 2020 09:05 GMT
#20
On September 21 2020 17:26 Argonauta wrote:
It will be great if, after the survey, they could release some meta info. I am quite interested of the gender gap in Esports is being reduced or not and the avg age of sc2 fans.

which gender gap you have in mind?

edit> ffs, cannot decide if what or which is the correct term... when you're selecting from multiple choices it's ... which?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3109
Horang2 452
scan(afreeca) 211
Killer 203
Bisu 193
Larva 169
Free 57
ToSsGirL 47
NaDa 27
sOs 27
[ Show more ]
ZergMaN 22
Soma 22
yabsab 15
Noble 7
Dota 2
PGG 307
NeuroSwarm201
League of Legends
JimRising 542
Other Games
summit1g11018
XaKoH 349
Happy228
C9.Mang0220
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL12615
Other Games
gamesdonequick547
ComeBackTV 185
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
[ Show 9 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2244
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1h 35m
WardiTV Invitational
3h 35m
Epic.LAN
4h 35m
IPSL
7h 35m
eOnzErG vs McRibbed
LancerX vs StRyKeR
AI Arena Tournament
8h 35m
OSC
1d 5h
Yamato Cup
1d 6h
IPSL
1d 8h
Artosis vs RiceHat
Kyrie vs Sony
Map Test Tournament
1d 14h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Ultimate Battle
2 days
Rush vs BeSt
Replay Cast
2 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.