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DH Masters Fall: Season Finals Bracket Set - Page 3

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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
September 19 2020 11:38 GMT
#41
Bracket luck is an important part of any knock-out stage in any tournament.

I am also very doubtful if repeated dominance is that important of a factor why viewership is so much lower than it was in the heydays. I have more faith in:
-Smaller player base.
-More competition from other games with a strong scene.
-An old game.
-Mistakes in the past like not going ftp earlier.
Buff the siegetank
litwos28
Profile Joined July 2020
4 Posts
September 19 2020 12:12 GMT
#42
This might be the most unfortunate bracket I've seen in a while.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-19 12:46:12
September 19 2020 12:44 GMT
#43
On September 19 2020 21:12 litwos28 wrote:
This might be the most unfortunate bracket I've seen in a while.



Wtf how? I need to ask this again because people keep streaming in saying this.

Every match up is awesome, the bracket is great. Stfu about it being unfortunate just because you didn’t get your dream bracket.

EDIT: And Rogue vs Inno is just as exciting, if not more than Clem vs Rogue. Y’alls foreigner vs Korean obsession needs to stop
Rexeus
Profile Joined October 2011
78 Posts
September 19 2020 13:36 GMT
#44
Need double elimination format
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
September 19 2020 13:43 GMT
#45
On September 19 2020 14:57 buzz_bender wrote:

The scheduling is once again not favourable to the Koreans. I don't know why we can't just start 3 or 4 hours earlier to give them a better time of the day. Inno for example played until about 3am yesterday. And this isn't the first time this has happened.


They have addressed this already: this tournament is worldwide and its main focus is on the foreign scene, specifically EU and NA. It is literally impossible to schedule at a convenient time for every single region in the world. And they aren’t going to change a schedule that’s already been going the previous three weeks for every other region to accommodate what basically amounts to “guest stars.” Honestly, I don’t have a problem with it, it’s the one tournament I can watch at a decent time in NA, selfishly. I get enough of the horrible 1 and 230 AM GSL start times during the year, it’s nice to have one event that fits with my region’s time zone.
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States654 Posts
September 19 2020 14:11 GMT
#46
KOR EU, no NA
Mostly a troll, bi-polar by design, occasionally brain malfunction. Please forgive me. xD
parksonsc
Profile Joined May 2019
175 Posts
September 19 2020 14:34 GMT
#47
That's what i like about Korean Zergs, they can both play reactive macro and doing tactical timing attacks like this one, unlike those EU Zergs who just purely rely on macro plays and repeated builds over and over.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
September 19 2020 15:04 GMT
#48
I guessed by advancing first in the bracket wont be a going thing for Rogue to survive Bo5 series in Ro. 8.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tommeyliang
Profile Joined December 2015
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-19 21:25:41
September 19 2020 21:25 GMT
#49
+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats to Clem for beating Serral, 3-2! He faces Reynor tomorrow.
Komodo
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico89 Posts
September 19 2020 23:26 GMT
#50
Probably the besst tournament in a while. Also, I hope Clem takes it all.
Honor above all, death to the heretic.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 07:58:42
September 20 2020 07:57 GMT
#51
I couldn t watch his perf but i was convinced he had a chance.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 20 2020 09:27 GMT
#52
To all those guys, talking about rigging the breaket to make it more exciting
BecAUse Its aN EspORt aND iT neEDs mORe viEWerS.

I don t follow any other esport but SC2 and I don t care one bit how other esports are handling things or how sc2 is compared to them. But I follow (and compete) in a traditionall sport and I KNOW from my own experience, that there is nothing worse than a rigged/ unfair breaket. That will translate in unpleased players in short term and in meaningless tournaments in the long term.
If any esports want to surfive for a long term, you can t just compare it to other esports but to traditional sports as well, as that is the competiotion on the media market in the end.
MaxPax
bObA
Profile Joined May 2012
France300 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 13:01:28
September 20 2020 12:36 GMT
#53
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 19 2020 05:54 BaneRiders wrote:
Imagine Clem giving his all to beat both Serral and Reynor only to be completely spent and lose to some noob like inno in the final...


Nice forecast so far just right before the semi finals
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 13:39:47
September 20 2020 13:33 GMT
#54
Ohh .... this game 4 ends at 5:35

This game is a Knock Out, (and probably the shortest game of Serral in a tournament)
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 13:44:42
September 20 2020 13:38 GMT
#55
On September 20 2020 18:27 dbRic1203 wrote:
To all those guys, talking about rigging the breaket to make it more exciting
BecAUse Its aN EspORt aND iT neEDs mORe viEWerS.

I don t follow any other esport but SC2 and I don t care one bit how other esports are handling things or how sc2 is compared to them. But I follow (and compete) in a traditionall sport and I KNOW from my own experience, that there is nothing worse than a rigged/ unfair breaket. That will translate in unpleased players in short term and in meaningless tournaments in the long term.
If any esports want to surfive for a long term, you can t just compare it to other esports but to traditional sports as well, as that is the competiotion on the media market in the end.


Bracket is rigged in all professional sports. Look at Champions League for example or EURO. Everything is almost preset because "this team" cannot match "that team".

Similar things happen in tennis aswell even you always have seeds predetermined. God knows how many times seed 1 faced seed 3 in Wimbledon semis, etc.

Not a single game or tournament can be unpleasant when we reach top 8. Everyone has a shot.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 14:38:14
September 20 2020 14:36 GMT
#56
Who is thinking the game is absolutely imbalanced for Terran v Zerg above a BO5 ?
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 15:50:34
September 20 2020 15:47 GMT
#57
I think the first game is a good example of which can be improved in TvZ.

In fact, even if he s holding the strength of reynor army, Clem can t get a benefit even if he destroys an hatchery in red (which has been damaged a lot). Because Reynor army is in tense flow and his bank stabilized, Clem has no interest in remove an hatchery after 20 min of game.
It s a problem if you can t click on something as big as an hatchery.... At this time, Clem has more interest to kill 5 or 6 more zerglings than destroy the hatchery
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 16:46:30
September 20 2020 16:41 GMT
#58
I got the point, in the last game, Clem doesn t even take time to kick the base number 7 of Reynor while he could,...

Same problem, now you can be sure SC2 isn t enought balanced cause even the best terran in EU can t get Reynor mechanically speaking
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
September 20 2020 18:39 GMT
#59
On September 19 2020 23:11 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
KOR EU, no NA

NA is getting there.. Astrea is getting good recently. He just needs more training.
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil260 Posts
September 20 2020 19:29 GMT
#60
Doest any1 know why didnt Rotty cast?
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