EPTEdit: Really sad that Clem doesn't get to play a Korean though.
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Musicus
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Edit: Really sad that Clem doesn't get to play a Korean though. | ||
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Cricketer12
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1712 Posts
On September 19 2020 13:58 dbRic1203 wrote: They do a random draw and they can t do whatsoever they want. Rigging breakets would diminish the entire tournament, wich obviously would be Kind of bad I disagree 100% When your Foreigner Vs Korean viewer count increases by 20k+ just because its FvK and helps your tournament and staff survive off the popularity of the event, it doesnt matter. When ESL decides this whole year was not worth it bc viewer count just wasnt what was expected and its all because you were "honorable" in your bracket draw, how do you feel then? It's absolutely laughable already how much viewership these "ESL open cup" brackets get Plus Im not saying RIGGING the brackets but they've literally put Maru and Serral on opposite sides of the bracket before for a potential Maru Serral finals at BLIZZCON, literally the biggest SC2 tournament in the world All they did was explain that they made their own rule that the #1 seeds of each region must be on opposite sides of the bracket You can literally just make a rule that doesnt allow FvF and KvK 1st round of bracket and nobody would blink a single eye | ||
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
I do support the foreigners as well, but you know what? It’s time for a Protoss to win something. It’s been way too long. I think the last time we Aiur supporters had anything was when Stats won a GSL (2017?). Zerg wins everything, Terran competes for most of it. It’s overdue. | ||
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Vision_
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buzz_bender
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On September 19 2020 14:54 StarcraftSquall wrote: There’s going to be some crazy mind games going on in the top side of the bracket - because three of the four players there are all in the same upcoming Ro16 GSL group. Unfortunately that also just means that they may be saving their builds for their GSL group stages. Unless of course they are confident to come up with another plan/build in time for Group D, which I think it's about 3 weeks away. The scheduling is once again not favourable to the Koreans. I don't know why we can't just start 3 or 4 hours earlier to give them a better time of the day. Inno for example played until about 3am yesterday. And this isn't the first time this has happened. | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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On September 19 2020 13:58 dbRic1203 wrote: They do a random draw and they can t do whatsoever they want. Rigging breakets would diminish the entire tournament, wich obviously would be Kind of bad lol suggesting that a SC2 bracket is not rigged  PS. Strongly oppose lame rules like the Maru-Serral one, let's have a serious sport here, not some TV game show. On September 19 2020 16:53 Elentos wrote: I don't think Rogue, Inno, Stats (yes Stats too he has a Protoss and 2 Terrans in his GSL group) and Trap have reason to hide anything for GSL or play super mind game heavy yet. Their groups are in 3 weeks. Bless this scheduling! | ||
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Edpayasugo
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Vision_
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followZeRoX
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Weavel
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Psychonian
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GSTL
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Btw biggest shout out to ESL/DreamHack organizers. I think this tourney is the best I've seen for years. 3 weeks of continuous tournament from bizarre flop sided to extremely competitive games. And what's even more interesting is that any participant is a winner to some degree, there are no losers in this tournament. I strongly advocate for the future to have more online premier tournaments like this instead of spending money on venues, traveling and security with less participants and winners on it. Good job guys ! | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On September 19 2020 14:46 ShowTheLights wrote: I disagree 100% When your Foreigner Vs Korean viewer count increases by 20k+ just because its FvK and helps your tournament and staff survive off the popularity of the event, it doesnt matter. When ESL decides this whole year was not worth it bc viewer count just wasnt what was expected and its all because you were "honorable" in your bracket draw, how do you feel then? It's absolutely laughable already how much viewership these "ESL open cup" brackets get Plus Im not saying RIGGING the brackets but they've literally put Maru and Serral on opposite sides of the bracket before for a potential Maru Serral finals at BLIZZCON, literally the biggest SC2 tournament in the world All they did was explain that they made their own rule that the #1 seeds of each region must be on opposite sides of the bracket You can literally just make a rule that doesnt allow FvF and KvK 1st round of bracket and nobody would blink a single eye And what that happened with Maru and Serral was such a huge issue, because it diminishes the integrity of a tournament. You cannot make up rules on the fly to accommodate what the viewers want to see in a competitive tournament. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
On September 19 2020 19:45 Argonauta wrote: And what that happened with Maru and Serral was such a huge issue, because it diminishes the integrity of a tournament. You cannot make up rules on the fly to accommodate what the viewers want to see in a competitive tournament. Well you are right but viewership IS everything in esports. If we dont want SC2 to shrink like wc3 we need fresh blood, viewer numbers to maintain money for running tournaments. Other part is the game but thats up to Activision. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On September 19 2020 20:01 followZeRoX wrote: Well you are right but viewership IS everything in esports. If we dont want SC2 to shrink like wc3 we need fresh blood, viewer numbers to maintain money for running tournaments. Other part is the game but thats up to Activision. Yes and No. Viewership at the cost of tournament integrity will have dimmished results in the long run. If you devaluate tournaments, overtime you will lose any appealing of the game. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
On September 19 2020 20:03 Argonauta wrote: Yes and No. Viewership at the cost of tournament integrity will have dimmished results in the long run. If you devaluate tournaments, overtime you will lose any appealing of the game. Viewes want rivalries, more personality included, etc. Not necessarily always the best quality games. In mentioned Blizzcon viewership shrinked when sOs defeated Maru convincingly. EU finals was best example, we all wanted to see Reynor vs Serral chain finals broken. Clem did that and we were all excited. Unlike sc2, csgo or other games do not have this kind of domination of 1 or 2 teams (players) and maybe that's why thry average half of a million viewers for Majors. If a little bracket tweaking can do that for sc2 I am in. Dont forget that several years ago when competition was stiff we had more then 150k viewers (on all streams). Now its barely 10% of that thanks to many variables but same players advancing is fair share of that. I was really happy to see MaxPax, Arctur, Kas, Stephano, Cobra and other new (and "new") faces in DH thanks to new system. I am sure not many people stay up late to watch LA or CN finals seeing Special and TIME stomping everyone for 10th year in a row. | ||
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Swisslink
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On September 19 2020 14:46 ShowTheLights wrote: I disagree 100% When your Foreigner Vs Korean viewer count increases by 20k+ just because its FvK and helps your tournament and staff survive off the popularity of the event, it doesnt matter. When ESL decides this whole year was not worth it bc viewer count just wasnt what was expected and its all because you were "honorable" in your bracket draw, how do you feel then? It's absolutely laughable already how much viewership these "ESL open cup" brackets get Plus Im not saying RIGGING the brackets but they've literally put Maru and Serral on opposite sides of the bracket before for a potential Maru Serral finals at BLIZZCON, literally the biggest SC2 tournament in the world All they did was explain that they made their own rule that the #1 seeds of each region must be on opposite sides of the bracket You can literally just make a rule that doesnt allow FvF and KvK 1st round of bracket and nobody would blink a single eye Doesn‘t work for really simple reasons. First of all, there are too many Koreans to avoid any KvK and any FvF matched. Secondly, each first place finisher has to face a second place finisher in the first round. That‘s absolutey necessary to not make the group stage completey unnecessary. That‘s an absolutely vital rule to make a tournament meaningful in any way. The rule you mentioned kind of makes sense, though. And it does not take anything away from the tournament. The best players (and in an ideal world that‘d be the first seed of each region) should not be in the same half of the bracket. That‘s a restriction that does not take anything away from the tournament in general. A restriction like „no FvF“ could potentially ruin the entire integrity of a tournament, if, for example, no Foreigner places first (or second that is) in his or her group. This might work if we - let‘s say - had far more players in the first bracket stage. Like a Ro32 instead of a Ro8 and more than two „regions“ (in European Champions League (soccer), they prevent two teams from the same country to face each other in thr first bracket stage. Howrver, there are 16 teams and a maximum of 4 teams from one country in this phase. There, such a rule can be implemented, because there‘s no chance that at any point, the integrety of the tournament has to be diminished to make this rule happen). But with only 8 players from 2 regions, such a rule is completely impossible. You‘d have to come up with exceptions for all different situations that would prevent the rule from being kept in placr (like: not an exact F/K split with 4 players each) And additionally, I think in an online tournament these brackets are even really good. Whether we like it or not, latency is an issue. So at least we won‘t have to many matches were latency will be a huge issue. The finals will, unfortunately, but at least before the finals matches should be mostly even. | ||
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Vision_
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Clem Year ! Clem Year ! | ||
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