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Code S RO4 Preview: TY vs Stats

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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25050 Posts
August 07 2020 15:26 GMT
#12
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
August 07 2020 15:55 GMT
#13
TY 4-2, solely because I'd rather see TY vs Rogue than Stats vs Rogue. And I have a huge TY crush so there's that too <3 Fighting!
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1847 Posts
August 07 2020 17:20 GMT
#14
Previews that don't talk about actual StarCraft II are back! And, I'm thrilled!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33342 Posts
August 07 2020 17:38 GMT
#15
On August 08 2020 02:20 Mizenhauer wrote:
Previews that don't talk about actual StarCraft II are back! And, I'm thrilled!


it's a you special
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 07 2020 18:42 GMT
#16
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 07 2020 18:43 GMT
#17
On August 08 2020 02:38 Waxangel wrote:
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On August 08 2020 02:20 Mizenhauer wrote:
Previews that don't talk about actual StarCraft II are back! And, I'm thrilled!


it's a you special

wouldn't it be released in 3 years if that was the case?
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Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
August 07 2020 19:15 GMT
#18
This series should be phoenomenal on paper, but TY has an absolute monster record vs Stats. The unstoppable force definitely beats the immovable object in their history. So I expect this to be something like a 4-1 in favor of TY.

That said, Stats has a tendency to stomp terran favorites when he's counted out and lose horribly when people think it will be a good series.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
August 07 2020 19:26 GMT
#19
TY is gonna turtle like a motherfucker this series
~~~~~
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25050 Posts
August 07 2020 20:09 GMT
#20
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 07 2020 20:32 GMT
#21
great read; TY 4-0

big Terran brain can't be beat
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
August 07 2020 21:24 GMT
#22
How dare you doubt our reigning GSL caster???
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 07 2020 22:26 GMT
#23
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25050 Posts
August 07 2020 22:38 GMT
#24
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there

#Believe

I did miss a few years of action, that said of all the lopsided rivalries I can think of this seems one of the weirder ones.

TY swatting Parting aside last two GSLs makes sense to me as Parting has a particular style that TY seems very good at countering with some prep time.

Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

Was curious as to thoughts on this, just one of those weird outliers, maybe they’re mind melded after KT and Stats got the raw end of the deal or is it just a style clash?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-07 23:12:24
August 07 2020 23:11 GMT
#25
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

I don't see a way any protoss can outbullshit Rogue in a preperation series now that Classic's gone. But if anyone could play macro and still win, it would be Stats.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25050 Posts
August 07 2020 23:19 GMT
#26
On August 08 2020 08:11 Fango wrote:
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On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

I don't see a way any protoss can outbullshit Rogue in a series now that Classic's gone. But if anyone could play macro and still win, it would be Stats.

Imagine a back and forth series of macro games, Rogue sneaky aggression being both successful and deflected by Aiur’s noble shield and it ending in the decider with Stats doing the ‘Classic build’. Dear lord even this incredibly unlikely hypothetical is sending shivers down my spine.

Whatever it is though, and yes he does pull the odd cheese off too but Stats just doesn’t seem to commit with the intensity that Classic did in his final year.

A crude analogy indeed but Stats is a gentle man, a man who plays Starcraft in a gentlemanly manner, a manner that Artosis himself approves of. Stats cheesing feels like a pretty vanilla dude trying to keep up with a partner who has crazy BDSM desired. I mean sure he can put a brave face and try it, and she might have the odd good time but both participants know he’s not really into it and she should probably seek out someone a bit more freaky.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 07 2020 23:47 GMT
#27
TY gonna 4-0
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
August 08 2020 01:24 GMT
#28
I'm just excited the schedule works out so that I can actually watch this one live! My heart is rooting for TY but my head says it's a coinflip - I really have no idea who's favored here. Either way, neither of them are super cheesy or hyper-aggressive so I'm hoping for at least a few solid macro games.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 08 2020 02:59 GMT
#29
On August 08 2020 07:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there


Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

aligulac.com You sure about that?
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 08 2020 08:03 GMT
#30
On August 08 2020 07:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there

#Believe

I did miss a few years of action, that said of all the lopsided rivalries I can think of this seems one of the weirder ones.

TY swatting Parting aside last two GSLs makes sense to me as Parting has a particular style that TY seems very good at countering with some prep time.

Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

Was curious as to thoughts on this, just one of those weird outliers, maybe they’re mind melded after KT and Stats got the raw end of the deal or is it just a style clash?


I would say Stats is an example of a solid macro player but not the definition. I think a definition would be more like "someone who generally doesn't lose early on and wins in big long games"
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25050 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-08 22:15:03
August 08 2020 15:59 GMT
#31
On August 08 2020 11:59 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 07:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there


Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

aligulac.com You sure about that?

Well exactly? Probably didn’t phrase it well my confusion was why Stats has such a particularly outlyingly bad record against TY. TY dismantling Parting with some prep makes a lot of sense for example but Stats having such a bad record seems odd.

Just using your date span for ease of comparison!

Trap - Matches: 12-8 (60%) Games: 38-33 (53.52%)
herO - Matches: 5-5 (50%) Games: 15-8 (45.45%)
Classic - Matches: 3-5 (37.50%) Games: 12-17 (41.38%)
Parting - Matches: 3-6 (33.33%) Games: 15-18 (45.45%)
Stats - Marches: 1-8 (11.11%) Games: 4-15 (21.05%)

We learn a few things here, TY is pretty good against Protoss for one in general to be fair. Still, Stats’ record is still weirdly bad. I’d also assume Trap is pretty good at PvT but also that TY in online cups is a less terrifying opponent than with some prep.

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