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Code S RO4 Preview: TY vs Stats

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Code S RO4 Preview: TY vs Stats

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August 7th, 2020 13:33 GMT

2020 GSL Code S Season 2
Semifinal #2: TY vs Stats

by Orlok

Despite earlier hopes that pros returning from retirement might shake things up in the Code S title picture, this season has come down to a three way battle between three very familiar faces in Legacy of the Void. The grizzled, non-military veterans still reign supreme—Rogue has planted his flag in the finals first, while TY and Stats will face off for the right to face him in the championship match.

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More info: GSL Code S Season 2 on Liquipedia


It’s in the nature of fans to always want and expect more from players. We expect players to stay on the grind, to maintain their form, and keep showing us great StarCraft II. We get emotionally tied up with our favorites, becoming upset if they fail to play up to 100% of their potential, or if they go through an extended slump. Sometimes, we get too caught up in players' form in the present, and forget to appreciate the journeys that brought them here in the first place.

Take TY and Stats. When the KT Rolster StarCraft II squad was abruptly disbanded at the end of 2016, the two players were left with an important choice. Should they continue along the path of StarCraft II, which faced an unsure future in Korea? Or should they go back to Brood War, which had established a stable, post-KeSPA ecosystem in meanwhile. The right decision seems obvious now, but you have to look at it from the point of view of TY and Stats in 2016. They had enjoyed a good amount of success in Starcraft II—both had been core contributors to KT Rolster's Proleague campaigns, and both had made deep runs in major individual competitions. But neither of them had won a championship, which meant they were overshadowed by teammates like BW legend Flash or multiple-time GSL champion Zest. They'd go down in the history books as members of the "very good," but failed to broach the ranks of the truly great. The glass of their StarCraft II careers was both half-full and half-empty at the same time.

In an recent double-interview with their old Brood War colleague Snow, TY explained how Stats convinced him to stay the course with StarCraft II, saying they should "try a little bit longer”.

That's a rather simple explanation, but there's more meaning behind it than you might think. Both TY and Stats had their share of doubts about the sustainability of the scene and insecurity about their increasing age. Brood War had always been more popular than SC2 in South Korea, which meant there were plenty of Brood War fans who would welcome them back. They admitted to giving Brood War serious consideration, with TY even picking up the game again briefly. Far bigger names like names like Flash, Rain and SoulKey had already returned to BW and thrived, so no one would have blamed TY or Stats if they returned to their roots.

But despite that, they chose to stay. They chose to stay, brave the wilderness on their own, and adapt to a wholly new environment under the dogged belief they were capable of far greater things than they had achieved up to that point. Faith is not often rewarded in StarCraft II, so it's important to appreciate the times when it is. Stats went from being a solid player to the impenetrable shield of Aiur, becoming a dual GSL-SSL champion in 2017. TY finally cashed in on a decade's worth of potential, winning a double-jackpot at IEM Katowice and WESG 2017. They became stars in their own right, and not just supporting crew-members on the KT Rolster ship. And while it hasn't been entirely smooth-sailing ever since, no one can doubt their choice to stay was the right one.

While returnees made a valiant and visible effort this season, it seems fitting they couldn’t overcome their respective final hurdles against those who chose to grind it out. DRG and Dream both fell to Rogue, another one of the players who forged ahead into the uncertain future of StarCraft II. Rogue, TY, and Stats have let their focus lapse at times, but they've always find a way to come back to this stage and prove that their choice to stick around was right in the end.

There are plenty of career-related details which make this match interesting. TY looks to become one of the few players to ever reach back-to-back GSL finals. Stats looks to reach his thirteenth major tournament finals in StarCraft II. All of that is good and fine, and might be worth half a rank when the historians of StarCraft II compile their greatest of all time lists.

But, this time around, I'm finding myself more interested in the things that don't get displayed on a Liquipedia page. In 2016, these two players lost their jobs, the place they lived, and any plans they might have had for the future. Three and a half years later, they've proved they're more than just resilient—they were made by the pressure. What's another best-of-seven in the GSL to these two? While we might not be able to relate to them in terms of StarCraft II skill, they might make us want to try for a little bit longer.

Prediction: Stats 4 - 3 TY

Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Orlok
Images: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
August 07 2020 13:35 GMT
#2
I have 4-2 Stats, I predict pheonix colo or phoenix zealot storm builds.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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August 07 2020 13:44 GMT
#3
So hey Orlok you left it out of the preview but what kind of series do you expect to see with your 4-3 prediction there
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 07 2020 13:45 GMT
#4
Thanks for the preview. I really like that angle, just imagine if two of the greatest LotV players had decided to go to BW instead.

I too believe Stats will take it. Either way, one of them has the lose, and it sucks big time tbh.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33459 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-07 13:56:43
August 07 2020 13:55 GMT
#5
On August 07 2020 22:44 Elentos wrote:
So hey Orlok you left it out of the preview but what kind of series do you expect to see with your 4-3 prediction there


TY will do no-reaper wall-off builds each game and mind-game off hellion drops from the parting series. Stats will flip a coin about whether he can figure out what tech it is each game and that will decide the series ^_^

tl;dr: all the games will suck but maybe we'll perceive it as fun if it goes all seven
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-07 14:09:09
August 07 2020 14:08 GMT
#6
Excellent preview! I was not hyped about watching TY and Stats, but you found a great storyline.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19288 Posts
August 07 2020 14:12 GMT
#7
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
August 07 2020 14:19 GMT
#8
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19288 Posts
August 07 2020 14:23 GMT
#9
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

I said "thought". Obviously not a guarantee, but if Stats feels that's the best way to win, whether he wins or loses with it would leave me wanting.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
August 07 2020 14:48 GMT
#10
On August 07 2020 23:23 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

I said "thought". Obviously not a guarantee, but if Stats feels that's the best way to win, whether he wins or loses with it would leave me wanting.

Nah, I think we can expect Rogue to be the aggressor should we get a PvZ finals. If the patch hits before the finals, we can basically assume it.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25890 Posts
August 07 2020 15:25 GMT
#11
On August 07 2020 22:55 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 22:44 Elentos wrote:
So hey Orlok you left it out of the preview but what kind of series do you expect to see with your 4-3 prediction there


TY will do no-reaper wall-off builds each game and mind-game off hellion drops from the parting series. Stats will flip a coin about whether he can figure out what tech it is each game and that will decide the series ^_^

tl;dr: all the games will suck but maybe we'll perceive it as fun if it goes all seven

Methinks TY will get absolutely smacked if he tries that against Stats. Having a gameplan to have your aggressive build hit before the other guy’s aggressive build, who is known to be very aggressive probably won’t fare too well against the archetypal defensive reactive player. Stats could just chill and make an early halluc Phoenix and laugh his way to the final.

I am super interested to see how it all flows though and what TY cooks up.

Their head to head is, to be charitable slightly skewed in TY’s favour, equally Stats is looking in fantastic shape lately so should (hopefully) not be another whitewash either way.
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WombaT
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Northern Ireland25890 Posts
August 07 2020 15:26 GMT
#12
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?
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yubo56
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690 Posts
August 07 2020 15:55 GMT
#13
TY 4-2, solely because I'd rather see TY vs Rogue than Stats vs Rogue. And I have a huge TY crush so there's that too <3 Fighting!
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United States1893 Posts
August 07 2020 17:20 GMT
#14
Previews that don't talk about actual StarCraft II are back! And, I'm thrilled!
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United States33459 Posts
August 07 2020 17:38 GMT
#15
On August 08 2020 02:20 Mizenhauer wrote:
Previews that don't talk about actual StarCraft II are back! And, I'm thrilled!


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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
August 07 2020 18:42 GMT
#16
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
August 07 2020 18:43 GMT
#17
On August 08 2020 02:38 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 02:20 Mizenhauer wrote:
Previews that don't talk about actual StarCraft II are back! And, I'm thrilled!


it's a you special

wouldn't it be released in 3 years if that was the case?
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Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
August 07 2020 19:15 GMT
#18
This series should be phoenomenal on paper, but TY has an absolute monster record vs Stats. The unstoppable force definitely beats the immovable object in their history. So I expect this to be something like a 4-1 in favor of TY.

That said, Stats has a tendency to stomp terran favorites when he's counted out and lose horribly when people think it will be a good series.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
August 07 2020 19:26 GMT
#19
TY is gonna turtle like a motherfucker this series
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25890 Posts
August 07 2020 20:09 GMT
#20
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 07 2020 20:32 GMT
#21
great read; TY 4-0

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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
August 07 2020 21:24 GMT
#22
How dare you doubt our reigning GSL caster???
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
August 07 2020 22:26 GMT
#23
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25890 Posts
August 07 2020 22:38 GMT
#24
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there

#Believe

I did miss a few years of action, that said of all the lopsided rivalries I can think of this seems one of the weirder ones.

TY swatting Parting aside last two GSLs makes sense to me as Parting has a particular style that TY seems very good at countering with some prep time.

Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

Was curious as to thoughts on this, just one of those weird outliers, maybe they’re mind melded after KT and Stats got the raw end of the deal or is it just a style clash?
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-07 23:12:24
August 07 2020 23:11 GMT
#25
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

I don't see a way any protoss can outbullshit Rogue in a preperation series now that Classic's gone. But if anyone could play macro and still win, it would be Stats.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25890 Posts
August 07 2020 23:19 GMT
#26
On August 08 2020 08:11 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

I don't see a way any protoss can outbullshit Rogue in a series now that Classic's gone. But if anyone could play macro and still win, it would be Stats.

Imagine a back and forth series of macro games, Rogue sneaky aggression being both successful and deflected by Aiur’s noble shield and it ending in the decider with Stats doing the ‘Classic build’. Dear lord even this incredibly unlikely hypothetical is sending shivers down my spine.

Whatever it is though, and yes he does pull the odd cheese off too but Stats just doesn’t seem to commit with the intensity that Classic did in his final year.

A crude analogy indeed but Stats is a gentle man, a man who plays Starcraft in a gentlemanly manner, a manner that Artosis himself approves of. Stats cheesing feels like a pretty vanilla dude trying to keep up with a partner who has crazy BDSM desired. I mean sure he can put a brave face and try it, and she might have the odd good time but both participants know he’s not really into it and she should probably seek out someone a bit more freaky.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 07 2020 23:47 GMT
#27
TY gonna 4-0
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United States876 Posts
August 08 2020 01:24 GMT
#28
I'm just excited the schedule works out so that I can actually watch this one live! My heart is rooting for TY but my head says it's a coinflip - I really have no idea who's favored here. Either way, neither of them are super cheesy or hyper-aggressive so I'm hoping for at least a few solid macro games.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13989 Posts
August 08 2020 02:59 GMT
#29
On August 08 2020 07:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there


Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

aligulac.com You sure about that?
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 08 2020 08:03 GMT
#30
On August 08 2020 07:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there

#Believe

I did miss a few years of action, that said of all the lopsided rivalries I can think of this seems one of the weirder ones.

TY swatting Parting aside last two GSLs makes sense to me as Parting has a particular style that TY seems very good at countering with some prep time.

Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

Was curious as to thoughts on this, just one of those weird outliers, maybe they’re mind melded after KT and Stats got the raw end of the deal or is it just a style clash?


I would say Stats is an example of a solid macro player but not the definition. I think a definition would be more like "someone who generally doesn't lose early on and wins in big long games"
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25890 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-08 22:15:03
August 08 2020 15:59 GMT
#31
On August 08 2020 11:59 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2020 07:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 07:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 05:09 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 08 2020 03:42 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 08 2020 00:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:19 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 07 2020 23:12 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm pretty neutral towards both these players, but I hate the thought of a PvZ finals that hinges on adept all-ins. TY advancing is the best option for an entertaining finals.

Who said Stats is going to rely heavily on adepts, or all-ins for that matter?

The hypothetical finals matchup being PvZ?

If you're asking if I assume Stats wins this, then no, not in a million years.

To be fair if Stats can stick around for a million years there’s surely got to be at least a change of a swing in PvZ balance/meta to suit his style again.

I was talking about his match tonight vs TY, he beats rogue in the finals every time, but he doesn't get there


Stats on the other hand is just the definition of a solid macro player. Especially when TY has got bopped by many a Protoss below Stats’ level over the years.

aligulac.com You sure about that?

Well exactly? Probably didn’t phrase it well my confusion was why Stats has such a particularly outlyingly bad record against TY. TY dismantling Parting with some prep makes a lot of sense for example but Stats having such a bad record seems odd.

Just using your date span for ease of comparison!

Trap - Matches: 12-8 (60%) Games: 38-33 (53.52%)
herO - Matches: 5-5 (50%) Games: 15-8 (45.45%)
Classic - Matches: 3-5 (37.50%) Games: 12-17 (41.38%)
Parting - Matches: 3-6 (33.33%) Games: 15-18 (45.45%)
Stats - Marches: 1-8 (11.11%) Games: 4-15 (21.05%)

We learn a few things here, TY is pretty good against Protoss for one in general to be fair. Still, Stats’ record is still weirdly bad. I’d also assume Trap is pretty good at PvT but also that TY in online cups is a less terrifying opponent than with some prep.

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