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We understand that this topic evokes strong feelings. In the interest of maintaining a necessary and productive discussion, we will be taking a strong stance against posters that clearly do not contribute to this aim. Dishonest and bad faith arguments, victim blaming, and attacks on other users, will be strictly moderated. A post which only serves to muddy the waters and dishonestly portray the nature of assault and harassment (and corresponding accusations) is also unwelcome.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
June 24 2020 17:17 GMT
#381
On June 25 2020 02:17 Models wrote:
Hear me out, obviously it's better if we hear both sides of the story but is it possible that Avilo is actually Faust? IIRC faust made that his original ID when he began playing SC2


However, I am actually avilo.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
cenflamatty
Profile Joined August 2015
19 Posts
June 24 2020 17:18 GMT
#382
I personally just sent a message to Youtube with Atiras post about Avilo. He needs to be shut down!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-24 17:24:58
June 24 2020 17:24 GMT
#383
(1) Huge difference between saying someone should be in jail based on one witness and private organizations making the rational choice they don't want the negative publicity from hiring someone like this and refusing to hire them. You can believe the latter and not the former.

(2) I would agree that you shouldn't accuse Rapid perhaps even off of one unsubstantiated post, but it becomes hugely different when there are three similar testimonies. Then it's no longer a "he said she said"

Just so sad. Who does stuff like this?
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 24 2020 17:26 GMT
#384
Very sad to hear so many stories like these and I offer my sympathy and support to all involved.

I had no idea about Rapid I think some serious questions need to be asked about how he got into the highest level of casting GSL, ASL and SSL.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15958 Posts
June 24 2020 17:28 GMT
#385
It just feels so surreal for me that a seemingly really nice guy like Rapid is apparently such a psycho but with everything coming out it becomes really unlikely that those allegations aren't true. I'm pretty shocked to be honest.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
June 24 2020 17:35 GMT
#386
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
June 24 2020 17:41 GMT
#387
im almost disappointed that i never got any of these penis puns
i give faust full permission to dm me a penis pun tho

User was warned for this post
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25318 Posts
June 24 2020 17:42 GMT
#388
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
June 24 2020 17:43 GMT
#389
On June 25 2020 02:41 CadenZie wrote:
im almost disappointed that i never got any of these penis puns
i give faust full permission to dm me a penis pun tho


The PM is cumming, give me a minute.

User was warned for this post
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 24 2020 17:44 GMT
#390
--- Nuked ---
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 24 2020 17:52 GMT
#391
On June 25 2020 02:44 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 02:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.

And he does it with writing which can show proof. Those who do it in spoken word and action are much harder to know/prove.

Yet he's still at it as we speak. He is accusing her of sexually abusing him on twitter now.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25318 Posts
June 24 2020 17:53 GMT
#392
On June 25 2020 02:44 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 02:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.

And he does it with writing which can show proof. Those who do it in spoken word and action are much harder to know/prove.

Indeed. I’m not saying he doesn’t have some obvious mental problems either, merely that this behaviour, or less severe variants isn’t confined to or indeed explicable by mental illnesses. It’s much more societally pervasive than that.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9649 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-24 18:05:53
June 24 2020 18:04 GMT
#393
On June 25 2020 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 02:44 JimmiC wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.

And he does it with writing which can show proof. Those who do it in spoken word and action are much harder to know/prove.

Indeed. I’m not saying he doesn’t have some obvious mental problems either, merely that this behaviour, or less severe variants isn’t confined to or indeed explicable by mental illnesses. It’s much more societally pervasive than that.


There's interesting connections here though, not only with mental health, but also with learning disabilities. I know a few autistic people who i wouldn't trust to go on a date in the era of metoo simply because they aren't good at reading obvious signals like 'i'm feeling uncomfortable now, stop'. There's a gap in education here where some people are left behind. Its more of a tangential issue but its always been a concern to me that people are being wrongly labelled as perverts.

Nothing to do with Avilo really, but its worth mentioning the effect metoo has had on people who already feel uncomfortable with non explicit social interactions.

I think as a society we could do more to educate vulnerable men with mental health/learning disabilities about sexual encounters. It never used to be a problem when we would just lock them away in institutions but most of these guys are out here with us and I feel like they aren't prepared for it, and can get swept away by movements like metoo because they don't 'know' how to interact in sexual situations, and its not always very obvious when you meet people like that. Often they just come across as a weirdo or a perv.

I think this is particularly relevant in the gaming scene.

I'm not trying to take anything away from metoo and it certainly doesn't mean women shouldn't come forward with bad experiences, I just think schools and doctors should take a role in educating people with learning difficulties about real life sexual encounters.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-24 18:09:50
June 24 2020 18:07 GMT
#394
I'll echo the common sentiment that I used to feel bad for Rapid. I disliked and was openly critical of his casting, and he always seemed a bit creepy with boundary issues. Now fuck him.

JP I didn't see coming, but I completely believe it now that I look back.

Avilo I'm surprised it hasn't come out earlier...
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
June 24 2020 18:09 GMT
#395
Good grief some people are fucked up and avilo is one of them. That twitlonger was really hard to read.

Also, PengWin's post was spot on.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25318 Posts
June 24 2020 18:10 GMT
#396
On June 25 2020 03:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 02:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:44 JimmiC wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.

And he does it with writing which can show proof. Those who do it in spoken word and action are much harder to know/prove.

Indeed. I’m not saying he doesn’t have some obvious mental problems either, merely that this behaviour, or less severe variants isn’t confined to or indeed explicable by mental illnesses. It’s much more societally pervasive than that.


There's interesting connections here though, not only with mental health, but also with learning disabilities. I know a few autistic people who i wouldn't trust to go on a date in the era of metoo simply because they aren't good at reading obvious signals like 'i'm feeling uncomfortable now, stop'. There's a gap in education here where some people are left behind. Its more of a tangential issue but its always been a concern to me that people are being wrongly labelled as perverts.

Nothing to do with Avilo really, but its worth mentioning the effect metoo has had on people who already feel uncomfortable with non explicit social interactions.

I think as a society we could do more to educate vulnerable men with mental health/learning disabilities about sexual encounters. It never used to be a problem when we would just lock them away in institutions but most of these guys are out here with us and I feel like they aren't prepared for it, and can get swept away by movements like metoo because they don't 'know' how to interact in sexual situations, and its not always very obvious when you meet people like that. Often they just come across as a weirdo or a perv.

I think this is particularly relevant in the gaming scene.

I'm not trying to take anything away from metoo and it certainly doesn't mean women shouldn't come forward with bad experiences, I just think schools and doctors should take a role in educating people with learning difficulties about real life sexual encounters.

I think this is a very interesting and valid tangent. Having volunteered with the autistic myself.

I’m not on the spectrum myself, close to it and I find the lines of acceptable flirting and coming across as weird difficult to navigate sometimes so for those who lack innate social skills that’ll be considerably more difficult.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 24 2020 18:12 GMT
#397
Haven't been involved in the scene lately but I still follow some people on twitter and saw that stuff about avilo, that is some messed up shit.

I always knew avilo as one who could be toxic to interact with as a playing competitor over the years. Reading about that harassment is like a whole other level of terribleness.
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-24 18:20:19
June 24 2020 18:16 GMT
#398
On June 25 2020 02:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.



Regarding the Mental Institution thing, It was more of an expression... However, psychiatric disorders include very different entites from Dementia to bulimia nervosa or paranoid schizophrenia, and psychopathy/sociopathy is still a personality disorder. Sometimes it can even associate schizophrenia. It's been a few years since I studied this stuff, but a Mental Institution could help in some cases... or maybe not in this one, I don't know...

Indeed, it's hard to find what we can do to fix psychos like this guy. And it's scary the amount of people with psychopathic personality that are stablished in power/important positions.... In fact, one could say that kind of behaviour/personality HELPS to acquire that power, always in detriment of others.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 24 2020 18:17 GMT
#399
So...

I don't interact much on the boards because life and shit

But can we please NOT make sexual innuendo jokes in a thread about sexual harassment... What the actual fuck?
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25318 Posts
June 24 2020 18:28 GMT
#400
On June 25 2020 03:16 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2020 02:42 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 25 2020 02:35 Elmonti wrote:
On June 25 2020 01:45 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
The last girl avilo harassed also wrote a twitlonger. Some disturbing stuff in there.

www.twitlonger.com


Jesus Christ... that Avilo stuff that Atira wrote... that's... jesus christ.

The guy belongs to a Mental Institution... or Jail.

Props to Atira for being brave enough to speak about that. That takes some courage, to be able to speak out about that stuff you suffered.

I’ve been in a mental institution and I don’t behave like that, the friends I’ve kept in touch with don’t either.

The guy needed proper help years ago and never got it. Partly because he was able to make a living behaving like a complete ass instead of being ostracised and having to re-evaluate.

How do you fix his psyche now he’s clearly gotten worse and worse over time?

Also consider that there are Avilos out there who behave like this but are charming/attractive and have positions of power.

He’s not some crazy outlier, he’s just so low down on the totem pole that he can be exposed and people believe the accusations against him.



Regarding the Mental Institution thing, It was more of an expression... However, psychiatric disorders include very different entites from Dementia to bulimia nervosa or paranoid schizophrenia, and psychopathy/sociopathy is still a personality disorder. Sometimes it can even associate schizophrenia. It's been a few years since I studied this stuff, but a Mental Institution could help in some cases... or maybe not in this one, I don't know...

Indeed, it's hard to find what we can do to fix psychos like this guy. And it's scary the amount of people with psychopathic personality that are stablished in power/important positions.... In fact, one could say that kind of behaviour/personality HELPS to acquire that power, always in detriment of others.

Yeah sorry I wasn’t disagreeing with you on those points whatsoever, I agree there’s something wrong with the guy.

Equally there are psychologically ‘normal’ people who indulge in the same behaviours and they’re more widespread than people like to admit, or hope is the case.

A psychotypical, charming regular nice guy version of Avilo who his friends will defend as ‘he’s not that kind of guy’ is way more common than something as egregious as an Avilo
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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