EPTadditional question,does a caster just need to tell what happened now and light up the atmosphere or he must tell many details about the tactics that the player of the match is using?
Do Casters Need To Be Good Players?
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EspKaiser
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additional question,does a caster just need to tell what happened now and light up the atmosphere or he must tell many details about the tactics that the player of the match is using? | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2641 Posts
On May 21 2020 00:40 EspKaiser wrote: I don't know much about that.I think if a caster want to understand the match, make some prediction or analyze why something happened,he must be a great player first.What do you think about?If you think the strength of caster is very important and necessary,how many mmr a caster must have you think? additional question,does a caster just need to tell what happened now and light up the atmosphere or he must tell many details about the tactics that the player of the match is using? While a caster must have a deep understanding of how the game works at higher levels, using MMR and such its nonsense really, top level players tend to be really bad casters as habing the verbosity and personality to be able to communicate everything clearly and in a fluid way has no correlation to the number there is next to you battletag. | ||
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Z3nith
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
After today I think the answer is clearly NO. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
How many casters? MMR with only one race or multiple races? Do they have chronic laryngitis and a monotonous drone of a voice to boot? Do they have an accent that is not incomprehensible? Or do they have a voice that was made for radio? If you could suggest things like game knowledge/skill as one important factor and general competency in shoutcrafting as another important factor in this formula, you will stop receiving answers that endlessly go in circles. Imo players with high MMR and good casting ability are the absolute best in the business, assuming they don't get on people's nerves for some reason. I highly doubt this is an unpopular opinion. Now we talk about players with low MMR and good shoutcasting abilities (e.g. the voice sounds delicious, they don't scream all the time, they say accurate things that make sense), and my obvious answer is that I would much prefer someone with higher MMR and equal or better casting ability. Does that mean the low MMR player cannot be a good caster? Probably not. We have seen enough evidence in the past (and present, though that makes for a tasteless joke) that the issue of knowledge/MMR deficiency is easily remedied by having a competent co-caster. To answer your other question, which none of the other posters have bothered with, there is no obligation for a caster to be exceptionally play-by-play or analytic. It would help, but it certainly does not seem to be a requirement to cast starcraft. If your question is more specifically referring to whether a caster would be better received by the audience if they had some of these traits... then the answer is probably a big fat yes. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
-Having watched many games of the players is pretty important to casting, and it's unlikely a high MMR player would have this knowledge. In this sense, being a good steady caster and high ranked player are somewhat mutually exclusive. -It's the job of the player to pick the one correct choice, while it's the job of the caster to expound upon the possible choices. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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esReveR
United States567 Posts
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DSh1
292 Posts
As for casting though it is not the most important aspect imo. The main quality is to be entertaining. People who are interested only in what is going on are usually already competent at looking at the mini-map and production tab themselves Maybe it is different for other games though. I can imagine that it would be helpful if someone know what's going on in overwatch as it is very difficult to see what is actually happening. | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
If you are a hype caster like Maynarde or Tasteless, then you don't really need to be that good at the game. You must know the units, and the very basics, but your job is hype the moment, so you don't really need any knowledge apart for the basics. On the other hand, if you are a caster on the more analytical specter, then you must know a lot about the game. Examples for such casters are PiG, Artosis, Rotti, etc. Wardii is a caster that is quite the whole package by means of casting, does it all, observing, hyping and analyzing, and I don't think he is that good. I ran into him on the ladder one time and he was below 5K MMR, I think even below 4.8K, which is an MMR doable for those who just go for a strong all-in build in every match-up and climb the ladder this way up till they get to the cap where enough people recognize well enough what they do so they win some and lose some with those. How high they get depends on the execution. But I think its enough for him by means of MMR, as he wasn't doing an all-in, and he gets to experience all the match-up through casting so he is quite familiar with the metas and the way each player plays, and he can hype when he can't really analyze and give his 10 cents of analysis when he can. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
On May 21 2020 00:41 InfCereal wrote: You don't need to be a good player to be a good caster. What Inf said, though it would probably help. Failing that, watching a tastosis ton of SC2 videos/replays. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
What really matters is being able to capture the most important things happening that relate to the outcome of the game, bring enthusiasm, and not be patently incorrect when speaking to shortcomings. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On May 21 2020 00:41 InfCereal wrote: You don't need to be a good player to be a good caster. And inversely, just because you're a good player that does not make you a good caster. | ||
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jojamon
133 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic614 Posts
On May 21 2020 06:16 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: Casting quality has decreased GREATLY over the past few years AGREE, casters just talk about the obvious things that are happening in the game, they should give players insight, strategic selection, map conversation, they need to be more like BW back in the days casters, you can learn a lot about the GAME MU by just listening to this korean casters, mean while artosis and tasteless are just pure entertaiment not to much knowledge about the game u can learn from. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On May 21 2020 06:21 BonitiilloO wrote: AGREE, casters just talk about the obvious things that are happening in the game, they should give players insight, strategic selection, map conversation, they need to be more like BW back in the days casters, you can learn a lot about the GAME MU by just listening to this korean casters, mean while artosis and tasteless are just pure entertaiment not to much knowledge about the game u can learn from. Artosis actually knows quite a lot about the game. What Tastless does isn t even entertainment for me. For GSL I usually tune into the Pros Casting on Twitch. While it s also not great by any means, at least it s funny, when they are arguing, who s ahead and have realy strong opinions about it. In general I enjoy the casting from other Casters quite a bit, as their mixture of hype/ knowledge/ backgrounds works just better for me than Tastosis. | ||
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Slydie
1914 Posts
As mentioned, a casting duo is usually made up by a play-by-play and an analytical guy. Both are equally important, but require different kinds of preparation and skills. For the analytical part, there are plenty of examples of former athletes and coaches making a successul career switch to casting, but they do not have to be at a very high level currently. Tony Romo (NFL) and Grubby (SC2) come to mind as people to use their recent professional experience to make some almost superhuman calls about what was going on in the game, but I don't think that is a requirement. If you spend your time studying the game and talking to pros rather than practicing yourself, I you can become a fantastic caster while currently not being that great at the game. Starcraft 2 is extremely lucky to have Tastosis! I remember the first time I heard them many years ago, and I was like "wow... these guys sound like real pros at what they do, esports is real!" I don't care at all about what MMR they are at. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On May 21 2020 06:16 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: Casting quality has decreased GREATLY over the past few years It has simply always not been that great. The A-listers haven't changed much, the only real big losses being Apollo and Incontrol. The B-listers are totally different and still have that meh-ish level of casting, though I will refrain from giving names. There has always been a clear gap between the best casters, the good casters and the fill-in casters. Over the years, this is obvious if you compare the commentary quality on lower prize pool premiers, and higher prize pool majors, to the highest tier competition. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On May 21 2020 00:40 EspKaiser wrote: I don't know much about that.I think if a caster want to understand the match, make some prediction or analyze why something happened,he must be a great player first.What do you think about?If you think the strength of caster is very important and necessary,how many mmr a caster must have you think? additional question,does a caster just need to tell what happened now and light up the atmosphere or he must tell many details about the tactics that the player of the match is using? If you watch HSC you'll have pros on the couch. Most of their casting are terrible (but that's the point of HSC) but the other way around TB was never a great player (max plat i think) but he was a great caster. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
On May 21 2020 06:16 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: Casting quality has decreased GREATLY over the past few years Really? I've loved listening to GSL, TSL, and ESL this year. Guess it's a matter of opinion. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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vyzion
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naughtDE
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
In any case most events have settled on one "hype" caster and one "analytical" caster. The problem comes when there is 2 "hype" casters (probably because there is more of them because its easier) and 1 analytical and the analytical caster's voice is drowned out or joins the hype casters style to get a word in. HSC is the best. It's always interesting to hear pros discuss different approaches and responses to all sorts of strats, and their observer skils are topnotch. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44300 Posts
For me, I really like pairs of casters who have great chemistry and can keep both the excitement and the analysis at high levels throughout the entire game. I think the epitome of this is Tasteless + Artosis. Tasteless isn't bad at BW/SC2, but I think his greatest strength lies with the ability to explain the basics of what's going on in a very easy-to-understand, informative way; Artosis, on the other hand, is the color commentator, who brings a more advanced depth of knowledge and analysis. They perfectly complement each other, both with summarizing what's going on in the game and with developing real-time assessments and predictions of the strategies and their outcomes. Plus, they arguably have the best synergy, bromance, and back-and-forth dialogue out of any pair of casters in the scene. My top three favorite casters have historically been Artosis, iNcontroL, and Apollo; they could be paired with *anyone* and just... simply elevate the commentary to extreme levels of fun and thoughtfulness. | ||
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AdrianHealeyy
114 Posts
Edit: now with the rename title, this joke doesn't work anymore.  | ||
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seopthi
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Anc13nt
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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MrShankly
United Kingdom371 Posts
This is one of the reasons I like home story cup so much. Asus ROG also had some Pro players casting and it was great! | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
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WardiTV
569 Posts
On May 21 2020 02:50 bulya wrote: There are different sort of casters. If you are a hype caster like Maynarde or Tasteless, then you don't really need to be that good at the game. You must know the units, and the very basics, but your job is hype the moment, so you don't really need any knowledge apart for the basics. On the other hand, if you are a caster on the more analytical specter, then you must know a lot about the game. Examples for such casters are PiG, Artosis, Rotti, etc. Wardii is a caster that is quite the whole package by means of casting, does it all, observing, hyping and analyzing, and I don't think he is that good. I ran into him on the ladder one time and he was below 5K MMR, I think even below 4.8K, which is an MMR doable for those who just go for a strong all-in build in every match-up and climb the ladder this way up till they get to the cap where enough people recognize well enough what they do so they win some and lose some with those. How high they get depends on the execution. But I think its enough for him by means of MMR, as he wasn't doing an all-in, and he gets to experience all the match-up through casting so he is quite familiar with the metas and the way each player plays, and he can hype when he can't really analyze and give his 10 cents of analysis when he can. I used to be higher MMR. I don't think you need to be high MMR to be a strong caster, but playing regularly and being at a higher level is always going to improve your casting. You can sit back and watch a bunch of replays and it's always going to help you understand the game better, but sometimes even just cracking out the build you are watching in Diamond league can give you an even better understanding, for all the very small things that can easily slip through the cracks. I don't think it's impossible to get that understanding while not playing, I just think it's easier to get it while playing. I don't play a lot myself anymore, but I do try and watch a lot of educational content, Harstems stream/YouTube for example is really good for learning intricacies of the game, you're basically getting high level gameplay AND the insight that you don't pick up on by watching games regularly. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
A caster needs to understand what's going on in the game, see why some action is good or bad and be able to explain what they think about it in real time. Of course the first part (understanding the game) is similar, but the latter parts (doing it vs talking about it) are clearly different. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
On May 21 2020 23:43 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Considering the question as an absolute, if I had to pick between high-level players offering complex strategic analysis and tastosis laughing at each other's mispronunciations of unit names, I'd go with tastosis. It's nice to have a healthy mix though. But Tastosis were very good players in the past - not great, but very decent. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 22 2020 22:26 Azzur wrote: But Tastosis were very good players in the past - not great, but very decent. They still play much better than average Brood War. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Somebody that's casting to tens of thousands or making a lot of money should probably put some focus on improving their gameplay ability which i'd think would step them into the masters range, more or less depending on the person. I always appriciate the god calls from world class players and those who study them well while having a good understanding of the game. d.apollo was amazing at that and i think he was masters random. If you're trying to be a play-by-play caster rather than analytical you don't need anywhere as much game knowledge and skill, you just have to keep the camera on action and read out every building, upgrade etc which is started. Please no talking about hedgehogs or random stuff without even mentioning that dude #2 built a stargate 3 minutes ago and then built an oracle out of it. | ||
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StarcraftPeffo
Italy66 Posts
On May 21 2020 06:28 dbRic1203 wrote: For GSL I usually tune into the Pros Casting on Twitch. Wait, is this a thing? Who does this? I need this. | ||
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freelifeffs
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UncleClimax
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CreightonOlsen
United States366 Posts
Some casters need to be GMs to best bring the game to their viewers. Some casters do not. Esports casting requires balance. It's OK to have your preferences, but never forget that the audience of a match is never one person. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
I find it kind of funny though that people are bringing up the football argument for someone not needing to be good at the game in order to be a good caster, when we are just a few years out from when they finally brought a strong football player (Romo) into the casting booth and everyone lost their minds because he was so much better than the rest. | ||
Waxangel
United States33371 Posts
I think the reality is probably that most fans just want to listen to familiar, friendly voices having a good time while watching StarCraft. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10672 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2628 Posts
The worst case would be a caster who thinks they know everything and calls games/strategies only to be completely wrong every time. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1449 Posts
On May 23 2020 00:01 StarcraftPeffo wrote: Wait, is this a thing? Who does this? I need this. Harstem and special are doing this quite often. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
In my opinion the only caster to qualify on both accounts is Special. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic614 Posts
On May 21 2020 06:28 dbRic1203 wrote: Artosis actually knows quite a lot about the game. What Tastless does isn t even entertainment for me. For GSL I usually tune into the Pros Casting on Twitch. While it s also not great by any means, at least it s funny, when they are arguing, who s ahead and have realy strong opinions about it. In general I enjoy the casting from other Casters quite a bit, as their mixture of hype/ knowledge/ backgrounds works just better for me than Tastosis. i have never learn anything from them, they just talk about the obvious, worker count, worker lost, drop incoming, zerg expreding creep, massing ling/banes, bla bla bla, while is entertaining it doenst have any deep knowledge attach to it, back in the days when bw was a thing, korean caster where extremely good explaining why, what, when things happened in a MU so that way viewers can have a better understanding of whats going and and why is it happening. | ||
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Piste
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On May 22 2020 22:38 Morbidius wrote: They still play much better than average Brood War. Yeah artosis is putting up a good showing in BW facing pros on the ladder On May 23 2020 14:00 BonitiilloO wrote: i have never learn anything from them, they just talk about the obvious, worker count, worker lost, drop incoming, zerg expreding creep, massing ling/banes, bla bla bla, while is entertaining it doenst have any deep knowledge attach to it, back in the days when bw was a thing, korean caster where extremely good explaining why, what, when things happened in a MU so that way viewers can have a better understanding of whats going and and why is it happening. In the present moment where BW is a thing, I think they are very good casters. Tasteless surely knows a lot about BW and whilst the jokes about him and his passion are overdone I think they might have some truth to them. With that said, Artosis and Tasteless doing great in GSL. The mix of insights and complicated webs of dumb jokes is excellent. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
Also as for tasteless people forget that he was a brood war pro. I think having a high level understanding of competitive rts is probably good enough to make you a good caster, especially if you have seen as many sc2 games as he has even if he isn’t a particularly high level sc2 player. Both he and artosis are still quite strong bw players. Id also point out that some casters tend to fall into the hype caster camp despite being quite high level players. For instance I think Maynard is mostly a hype caster but the guy is a gm lplayer with a lot of game knowledge. Being a high level player does not make you an interesting conversationalist either their are quite a few pros who I would definitely expect to be terrible casters. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On May 23 2020 17:00 neptunusfisk wrote: Yeah artosis is putting up a good showing in BW facing pros on the ladder In the present moment where BW is a thing, I think they are very good casters. Tasteless surely knows a lot about BW and whilst the jokes about him and his passion are overdone I think they might have some truth to them. With that said, Artosis and Tasteless doing great in GSL. The mix of insights and complicated webs of dumb jokes is excellent. Yeah I like thier casts quite a lot. Also I think a challenge for analytical casting is that it is good to a point it’s nice to have casters talk about the specific game state and wher the players are at, however whenever I see people say they should “rxplain the mu” just think about that statement do you realy want the casters for a tournament to explain tvz evrey game, even though they probably are going to cast 20+ tvzs In just one tourney..... Good analytical casters talk about the game state and maybe very rairly the actual metagame because talking about the meta quickly turns you into a broken record. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
If people really enjoyed casting where someone glances at a build for a second and predicts everything that's going to happen, then we'd see more casters who have the ability to do that. We've certainly selected for casters with a lot more game understanding over the years | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On May 23 2020 20:37 Alejandrisha wrote: this has been debated since release. upon release we had a bunch of idiot casters who knew nothing about the game and made money off of the release and they are not here any more. now, we generally have ex pros or casters that have been around long enough to understand the game and they are helped by other pros. these days if you do not know the game well, people will leave your stream in droves for making silly assertions I dunno. Tasteless making silly assertions is kinda his thing! :D Also, ZG and Wardi are "new" and not ex-pros. Rifkin has been terrible since forever and people still tune in. Tod, Rotti and Pig are obviously ex-pros, and are more "analytic", but generally need someone next to them to keep the conversation going (the play-by-play casters). Meanwhile Special is still a pro, does some casting on the side and is absolutely hilarious; I don't think he ever analyses anything, just talks trash because the terrans are doing it all wrong all the time. I don't know much about Maynarde, but I don't really like his casting anyway. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 23 2020 21:08 Acrofales wrote: I dunno. Tasteless making silly assertions is kinda his thing! :D Also, ZG and Wardi are "new" and not ex-pros. Rifkin has been terrible since forever and people still tune in. Tod, Rotti and Pig are obviously ex-pros, and are more "analytic", but generally need someone next to them to keep the conversation going (the play-by-play casters). Meanwhile Special is still a pro, does some casting on the side and is absolutely hilarious; I don't think he ever analyses anything, just talks trash because the terrans are doing it all wrong all the time. I don't know much about Maynarde, but I don't really like his casting anyway. tasteless gets grandfathered in by his better half, same for the last 10 years of sc2 lol i would say zg and wardi fall in to the category of having been around long enough to know at least something. it's different at this point rather than at the beginning. zg seems adequate in game knowledge. wardi i don't really know.. haven't watched much of his casts but i do know he has been on top of the foreign scene for a long time. the difference is the idiots i am referring to didn't even bother to try to get good at the game. | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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Slydie
1914 Posts
Khaldor was the opposite for me, terrible humor, annoying personality and always trying to outsmart his co-casters. He is better alone doing his thing. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19234 Posts
Get excited about a moment -> engage with cocaster about exciting moment occuring -> translate to viewer why that moment was critical or exciting in the way the viewer could understand. Day9 succeed because he has a solid understanding of the fundamentals of SC2 and has the skill to identify and relate that to the audience. So the answer to me is no. You don't have to be a grandmaster chest player, you have to be someone who can see a chess player make a move, digest why they made that choice, and then explain it to everyone else. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 23 2020 22:03 Slydie wrote: I am actually a bit disappointed Grubby did not pursue a SC2 casting career. He was great during the first WCS (the one starting with national championships Parting won.) He had some great analysis, fantastic English, a nice dry humor and got along with whoever he was casting with. Rotti is also great at geling with anyone, the guy you would as a buddy. Khaldor was the opposite for me, terrible humor, annoying personality and always trying to outsmart his co-casters. He is better alone doing his thing. on grubby: same. i think he must have some kind of contract with blizzard. that's the only way i can explain his decisions through the years. people fuckin LOVE that guy he could be a premiere caster if he wanted to be. he seems like he is fine just playing wc3 ladder against scrubs forever for the rest of his life though lol on khaldor: i really enjoyed his casts even though a lot of things got in the way. his passion for the game, fleeting as it was apparently, was refreshing. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
Often they made some predictions, and looked surprised by the outcome while you just watch the army supply, and someone is way ahead than the other. There is no real good analytic casters on the main tournaments. Personnally for me the best cast is at HSC. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 23 2020 23:01 Tyrhanius wrote: Let's be honest, most SC2 casters are just here to cheer and make jokes. I've just watched a game from Maru vs Parting, and after 5min one of the caster realized an observer was above the Maru's army... Often they made some predictions, and looked surprised by the outcome while you just watch the army supply, and someone is way ahead than the other. There is no real good analytic casters on the main tournaments. Personnally for me the best cast is at HSC. yeah parting's observer over maru's rax was inexcusable. i wish i could have played that game. i still dont understand how he didn't see it/know it was there. the fact that is was only mentioned a couple of times in passing is troubling since they're supposed to be tops of the tops | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
Though if we go by TL standards, most of us are shitty players compared to the pros and it's not needed to be a good caster. | ||
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Slydie
1914 Posts
On May 23 2020 22:17 Alejandrisha wrote: on grubby: same. i think he must have some kind of contract with blizzard. that's the only way i can explain his decisions through the years. people fuckin LOVE that guy he could be a premiere caster if he wanted to be. he seems like he is fine just playing wc3 ladder against scrubs forever for the rest of his life though lol on khaldor: i really enjoyed his casts even though a lot of things got in the way. his passion for the game, fleeting as it was apparently, was refreshing. To Khaldor's credit, yes he is very passionate, seems to prepare well is is pretty good at play-by-play seeing what goes on. At one point he was pretty much the only one to have any idea about casting Heroes of the Storm. I had no chance to name all those spells cast even though I played the game. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
to be a great color caster, not really. but if you lack the playing skill, you need TONS of experience with watching the game imo. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 24 2020 00:59 Slydie wrote: To Khaldor's credit, yes he is very passionate, seems to prepare well is is pretty good at play-by-play seeing what goes on. At one point he was pretty much the only one to have any idea about casting Heroes of the Storm. I had no chance to name all those spells cast even though I played the game. i didn't follow him when he switched games but i'm sure he brought the same khaldor we all know and love to it and did the best he could. i can never talk bad about the guys like him who really love the game and put their time into casting it. i really hope he gets everything he wants xD | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17983 Posts
On May 24 2020 00:00 Alejandrisha wrote: yeah parting's observer over maru's rax was inexcusable. i wish i could have played that game. i still dont understand how he didn't see it/know it was there. the fact that is was only mentioned a couple of times in passing is troubling since they're supposed to be tops of the tops You only really need to mention it a few times tho. The first time to draw attention to it, and then every now and then remark that it's still there and the reason Parting's attack is getting anything done. If as a viewer you ever wonder whether it's still there, the screen was over the attack enough time that you could see for yourself. And then after the match they were still laughing about how long it sat there (and pointed out in the next game that this time Maru scanned and killed the observers in his base). It seemed fine to me. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10672 Posts
On May 24 2020 00:00 Alejandrisha wrote: i wish i could have played that game. In the heat of the moment, you can't judge someone's mistakes in a live GSL game, it is a little different than Ladder. =P | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 24 2020 02:36 GGzerG wrote: In the heat of the moment, you can't judge someone's mistakes in a live GSL game, it is a little different than Ladder. =P truer words have never been typed. that was absolutely a hyperbole. you get what i mean  | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 24 2020 02:17 Acrofales wrote: You only really need to mention it a few times tho. The first time to draw attention to it, and then every now and then remark that it's still there and the reason Parting's attack is getting anything done. If as a viewer you ever wonder whether it's still there, the screen was over the attack enough time that you could see for yourself. And then after the match they were still laughing about how long it sat there (and pointed out in the next game that this time Maru scanned and killed the observers in his base). It seemed fine to me. you have to not only mention it every time information is extracted but constantly harrangue maru for not knowing this information was being extracted. even in practice games against clan mates i never ever have had an obs survive that long in a terran base..... in WOLHOTS | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44300 Posts
On May 24 2020 01:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i didn't follow him when he switched games but i'm sure he brought the same khaldor we all know and love to it and did the best he could. i can never talk bad about the guys like him who really love the game and put their time into casting it. i really hope he gets everything he wants xD I watch Khaldor's Heroes of the Storm commentary/ VODs pretty much every other day, and he's still the same knowledgeable and enthusiastic caster that I remember from SC2. Definitely a fan of that guy. I can see how the appreciation for any commentator's quirks and jokes and personality is subjective, and not necessarily a perfect fit for every spectator, so I just focus on valuing the diversity of hard-working casters and analysts that we have in our BW/SC2/Blizzard scene | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On May 24 2020 04:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I watch Khaldor's Heroes of the Storm commentary/ VODs pretty much every other day, and he's still the same knowledgeable and enthusiastic caster that I remember from SC2. Definitely a fan of that guy. I can see how the appreciation for any commentator's quirks and jokes and personality is subjective, and not necessarily a perfect fit for every spectator, so I just focus on valuing the diversity of hard-working casters and analysts that we have in our BW/SC2/Blizzard scene yep! i support all casters who put in the work and do their best to put on good production. khaldor was amazing at that when he was in the sc2 scene and that's how i'll remember him also nice to see your name it has been a while :D | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44300 Posts
On May 24 2020 04:52 Alejandrisha wrote: yep! i support all casters who put in the work and do their best to put on good production. khaldor was amazing at that when he was in the sc2 scene and that's how i'll remember him also nice to see your name it has been a while :D Thanks | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
On May 24 2020 01:00 KalWarkov wrote: to be a great analytical caster, yes. to be a great color caster, not really. but if you lack the playing skill, you need TONS of experience with watching the game imo. That's about it. Maynarde has come a long way imho, in the beginning he simply was shouting like a maniac, but now he knows, when to sit back and when to go mad. He's not a super high level player, but he does well with almost any analytical caster. From the other "new" (lol) faces, Wardi and ZG really stand out. Wardi is a machine and ZG is a skilled player with decent analysis. Tastosis operate on their own sphere of existence. I'm not expecting super detailed analysis, when I'm watching GSL. Nobody does what they do. It's basically performance art. Overall, I really enjoy almost every caster in SC2 right now. Some are better than others, but they're all pleasant to listen to. And I really miss Incontrol. God damn it. | ||
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