EPTChivo SC disbands - Page 3
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5546 Posts
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spectreusmc
United States25 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Even if it's not reasonable or appropriate, though, Special shouldn't announce this on his own. It's a bad sign to future potential teams that this player isn't very reliable or responsible with information. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10892 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 08 2020 10:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I basically agree with Shuffleblade.. In an industry like esports, it's not reasonable to make a player wait a week to announce something like this while they could be looking for a new team. A day or two until every internally knows is appropriate, however, so that context really affects this. Even if it's not reasonable or appropriate, though, Special shouldn't announce this on his own. It's a bad sign to future potential teams that this player isn't very reliable or responsible with information. It's nothing new from him, people should already expect him doing things like this. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On April 08 2020 05:13 Russano wrote: Actually, people CAN honestly expect you to hold it for a week. That's what discretion and professionalism look like. You're fired. Please don't get paid for a week while we sit on this. Riiiiggght. On April 08 2020 07:41 StasisField wrote: You act like people can't look for a job without shouting their unemployment to the heavens. It is entirely possible to get in contact with people privately over DMs/email/text/phone and look for a job that way. If there is a planned announcement at a set time, it's incredibly unprofessional to make that announcement ahead of time. In eSports? No. you can't. In fact, in eSports, like in most industries, you go through your network first to find a job. So Special doesn't announce it, but goes to TY and says "hey amigo, you know of any teams looking for awesome Mexican terrans?". The first thing TY is gonna do is ask why. What is Special supposed to say then? Lie? And then TY asks around on Special's behalf... sounds like the word is out there anyway. The professional SC2 world is tiny: they all know one another. It's like if a football manager loses his job. People are going to want to know why Pep Guardiola is shopping around for a new team and the Sun will have it plastered all over their frontpage 2 minutes after he sends an email to Barça. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 08 2020 07:24 ssg wrote: Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple. I would not hire you even if you volunteered to work for free, you basic HR. Terrible attitude and ethic... ugh | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 08 2020 17:06 Acrofales wrote: You're fired. Please don't get paid for a week while we sit on this. Riiiiggght. In eSports? No. you can't. In fact, in eSports, like in most industries, you go through your network first to find a job. So Special doesn't announce it, but goes to TY and says "hey amigo, you know of any teams looking for awesome Mexican terrans?". The first thing TY is gonna do is ask why. What is Special supposed to say then? Lie? And then TY asks around on Special's behalf... sounds like the word is out there anyway. The professional SC2 world is tiny: they all know one another. It's like if a football manager loses his job. People are going to want to know why Pep Guardiola is shopping around for a new team and the Sun will have it plastered all over their frontpage 2 minutes after he sends an email to Barça. TO the first thing - depends how it works. As far aas I understand they asked for a week of silence, not a week of doing nothing. Special mentioned how much good they have done, mayhbe he could have repaid with a week of silence on social media while not saying anything to the rumors spreading around. To me it seems as a normal thing. Also usually companies pay you a fee to keep you officially silent. Edit> he could have said to TY - well, I'm looking for a new job. + Show Spoiler + I'm going on the work related interviews from time to time in case somebody will outbid my current emplyer.  | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On the other hand, if you are no longer paid even for that 1 hour, it's unjustifiable to try to dictate behaviour of another person who you now have no contract with. | ||
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
Regarding the actual news - my sympathies for everyone involved. It sounds like Chivo was a good organization with good players and I hope everyone finds new homes in short order. Good luck! | ||
Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On April 08 2020 10:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I basically agree with Shuffleblade.. In an industry like esports, it's not reasonable to make a player wait a week to announce something like this while they could be looking for a new team. A day or two until every internally knows is appropriate, however, so that context really affects this. Even if it's not reasonable or appropriate, though, Special shouldn't announce this on his own. It's a bad sign to future potential teams that this player isn't very reliable or responsible with information. I don't think those thoughts are compatible. There's not enough money being made in esports for a progamer to have to show employer loyalty that would be considered ridiculous in any other job (I'd argue that getting paid millions like a pro athlete doesn't require this either). The guy lost his job, and he wants a new one ASAP. There's nothing special (har har) about SC2 progaming that makes fans entitled to self-detrimental behavior from progamers to serve some romantic notion of "sports professionalism" that doesn't actually exist. | ||
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SupremeMaddox
Korea (South)32 Posts
On April 07 2020 22:12 ssg wrote: Why would there be an embargo on someone losing their team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Special needs to worry about himself and get his name out there so he can find a new team. In normal circumstances, yes. But the thing is, Chivo didn't have people who only live in Korea. The management wanted him to wait for a day until they manage the time difference. Ragnarok was allowed to show he "LEFT" the team, NOT to mention the team itself has disbanded. He only had to wait A DAY for it. No wonder CranK would be furious. Besides the fact that his wife was the manager. She had every right to announce that, don't you think? Maybe the things wouldn't have that bad if he just didn't mention about the disbandment. | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
And to people that keep saying was just a day bro not it wasnt they told me to wait a week dont wanna put the screenshot for respect to olivia so getting mad at me for not waiting a whole week without pay until i can find a new job its fucking ridiculous | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Russano
United States434 Posts
That took me about 10 seconds. | ||
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seanranklin
9 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
oh no the outrage!!! special announced something TOO EARLY!!!! the world wasn't ready for this information | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7441 Posts
On April 09 2020 07:06 Russano wrote: "As of today, I am no longer under contract with Team Chivo - for reasons beyond my control and unrelated to my conduct, character, or game results. In the interest of discretion, I will not reveal further details until the team makes an official announcement in the upcoming week. I am currently in search of a new team or sponsorship. Please message me if you have any interest." That took me about 10 seconds. This! Is exactly what should have been done! | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
instead i see people getting outraged that special announced this. who cares. seriously. if your employer makes you sign an NDA you have to abide by it, but if your employer implodes then nobody cares. | ||
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