EPTIEM Katowice 2020 RO4 bracket set - Page 2
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col_jung
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral? I’m a lot more concerned because I can easily see Maru falling to Rogue. It would, after all, be the Maru thing to do and Rogue is one heck of a Zerg beast when he’s on point. Still, one can dream... but don’t give me hope... Don’t do it... I might start to believe it could happen and we all know what happens next. 😬 | ||
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RainStorm148
20 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2451 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote: I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral? Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani. In case you've forgotten who those players are: Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion. Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him. soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals. Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand. | ||
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DrunkenSCV
76 Posts
If not, anyway, what handsomely looking semifinals we've got! | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 01 2020 07:11 watchlulu wrote: I too think that Zest is probably the hardest opponent for Serral. After Zest there's probably Maru, then Reynor (obv. already out) You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final. Maru and Rogue are much bigger challenges for him and Maru is probably the most difficult opponent in the world he could face. | ||
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Meeii
155 Posts
On March 01 2020 14:31 NinjaNight wrote: You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final. Maru and Rogue are much bigger challenges for him and Maru is probably the most difficult opponent in the world he could face. You know Serral just lost 0-2 to freaking Hurricane right? I'm not saying the same thing will happen now but Zest have played a lot better so I feel he definitely have a chance. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 01 2020 14:31 NinjaNight wrote: You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final. Maru and Rogue are much bigger challenges for him and Maru is probably the most difficult opponent in the world he could face. If Maru takes out Rogue, he's got a case for one of Serral's hardest possible opponents. Maru's bracket is interesting. He's kind of facing down a lot of demons from his past runs. First sOs, then Rogue, then facing Serral in an IEM finals has to bring back memories of his finals vs Life... If Maru actually takes this tournament, that's at least 3 redemptions in one! | ||
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loft
United States344 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On March 01 2020 12:26 Boggyb wrote: Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani. In case you've forgotten who those players are: Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion. Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him. soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals. Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand. Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Maru 3-2 Rogue Serral 4-2 Maru Serral is just in a Class of his own | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On March 01 2020 15:34 tigon_ridge wrote: Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3. So in your world it simply doesn't matter how good anyone does against other players, because Serral is just simply better than every other player in the world so you cant compare? So by your logic no plasyer will ever have a have a chance against Serral because they haven't beaten Serral yet which is the only criteria you would find acceptable for arguing that anyone has a chance against Serral. Zest defeated bloody soO, Reynor and Rogue, three of the best zergs in the world. They are not second rate, Rogue is S rate ffs. Plus Serral shgowed weakness in ZvP by getting defeated by Hurricane. Bo5 makes it more likely Serral can take it that is true but its still an even match based on the recent performances we have seen. | ||
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Dedraterllaerau
113 Posts
On March 01 2020 06:54 yubo56 wrote: Some people just want to watch the world burn, drown, freeze, suffocate, get crushed and blown up all at the same time. Serral 3-0 Zest Maru 3-1 Rogue ????????????????? Zest doesn't know how to play PvZ, and I think Maru is all of: on a roll, historically favored vs Rogue, and has Rogue's sympathies. I wonder if Rogue will intentionally play cheesy against Maru so that Maru can hide strats in the final, though maybe he'll accidentally cheese Maru out... In any case, praying for Serral vs Maru, not just b/c of historical hype, but b/c Serral has already gone through Cure, TY, and INnoVation, and is well on his way to silencing the "but he doesn't play against KR Terrans" crowd. Especially as Dark keeps combusting randomly (and can't play ZvZ - sad Dark fan), it will be nice to have a more stable zerg advance the ZvT meta. Edit: I realize that a lot of people will say that ZvT isn't exactly the hardest matchup these days. Even so, it would be cool to see how Serral would handle Maru's huge dynamic range. Zest def knows how to PVZ, like Hurricane he knows trying to beat zerg in a straight up game is suicide :D | ||
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agripsss
37 Posts
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sneakyfox
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On March 01 2020 17:37 Shuffleblade wrote: So in your world it simply doesn't matter how good anyone does against other players, because Serral is just simply better than every other player in the world so you cant compare? So by your logic no plasyer will ever have a have a chance against Serral because they haven't beaten Serral yet which is the only criteria you would find acceptable for arguing that anyone has a chance against Serral. Zest defeated bloody soO, Reynor and Rogue, three of the best zergs in the world. They are not second rate, Rogue is S rate ffs. Plus Serral shgowed weakness in ZvP by getting defeated by Hurricane. Bo5 makes it more likely Serral can take it that is true but its still an even match based on the recent performances we have seen. How did you infer all of that from what I said? Anyone has a chance against Serral. Having a chance doesn't mean the chance is anywhere close to 50%. "S rate" means little. Numerical rating based on statistics is much more descriptive. If you're basing Serral's current ZvP on a single Bo3, you have very little to work with. Since 2019, Zest is 25-20 vs Rogue. Obviously, he understands Rogue very well. 2-1 is almost expected for Zest. He's 0-9 against Serral since 2018. Maybe he will manage to defeat Serral. Maybe not. Your prediction of an even match is still misguided either way. | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany330 Posts
On March 01 2020 18:26 tigon_ridge wrote: How did you infer all of that from what I said? Anyone has a chance against Serral. Having a chance doesn't mean the chance is anywhere close to 50%. "S rate" means little. Numerical rating based on statistics is much more descriptive. If you're basing Serral's current ZvP on a single Bo3, you have very little to work with. Since 2019, Zest is 25-20 vs Rogue. Obviously, he understands Rogue very well. 2-1 is almost expected for Zest. He's 0-9 against Serral since 2018. Maybe he will manage to defeat Serral. Maybe not. Your prediction of an even match is still misguided either way. Loving logical statements. | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On March 01 2020 18:26 tigon_ridge wrote: How did you infer all of that from what I said? Anyone has a chance against Serral. Having a chance doesn't mean the chance is anywhere close to 50%. "S rate" means little. Numerical rating based on statistics is much more descriptive. If you're basing Serral's current ZvP on a single Bo3, you have very little to work with. Since 2019, Zest is 25-20 vs Rogue. Obviously, he understands Rogue very well. 2-1 is almost expected for Zest. He's 0-9 against Serral since 2018. Maybe he will manage to defeat Serral. Maybe not. Your prediction of an even match is still misguided either way. It is possible I am misguided but I really donät think head to head in the past means much. Zest hasn't played as good as he does now in years, do you really think it mattered Serral beat him when he was slumping? That statistic means nothing. Such bs as Zest being 25-20 against Rogue means he knows Rogues current style? Not true ither, players adapt and change, they dont stay the same players statically for a year. You just want easy statistics to use when in fact almost no stats we have are useful because the previous big tournament was months ago. The only relevant stats we have to judge CURRENT form is previous matches at IEM and there Zest looks good and Serrals looks mortal. | ||
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