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IEM Katowice 2020 RO4 bracket set

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Last Edited: 2020-02-29 20:59:55
February 29 2020 20:59 GMT
#1
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Intel Extreme Masters Katowice 2020
by Orlok

With the conclusion of the round of 12 and quarterfinals, we are finally left with the final four competitors for the IEM Katowice 2020 championship: (Wiki)Serral, (Wiki)Zest, (Wiki)Rogue, and (Wiki)Maru.

INnoVation booked a quarterfinal match against Serral after winning a decisive victory over (Wiki)ShoWTimE in the RO12, with the German Protoss looking outclassed against the Machine Terran. While ShoWTimE's strong PvZ and PvP earned him a playoff berth, he was pulled apart again and again by the Korean Terran's drop-play and army movements. However, Serral administered a similar beating to INnoVation in their quarterfinal match, with the Finnish Phenom looking every bit the superior player. He blew INnoVation out of the water in every macro game, with INnoVation stealing a single map with a hidden blue-flame-hellion all-in. Despite having enjoyed some success against Serral with late-game play in 2019 (IEM Katowice and WESG), INnoVation's choice to go for a bio-based 'mid-game all-in' style at Katowice 2020 ultimately ended up being less effective.

Zest continued his resurrection in 2020 with a quick dismantling of (Wiki)Hurricane and (Wiki)Dear in subsequent rounds. Hurricane offered little resistance to Zest's PvP prowess and looked thoroughly outclassed in all facets of play. It was similar for Dear, with Zest simply out-muscling or out-braining whatever Dear had planned for his games, be it fast-expands or peculiar unit compositions. Zest did have one major lapse in execution, ceding one map to Dear after a laughable attempt to force his way up his opponent's ramp. But all-around, Zest proved to be an overwhelming player in PvP, deserving to be called the current best PvP-er in the world.

The other double-mirror quadrant of the bracket ended with Rogue crushing (Wiki)Dark to advance to the semifinals. Dark started the day off strong with a 3-1 victory over (Wiki)Solar in the RO12, showcasing his strengths in a variety of styles—be it muta-line-bane, roach ravager mid-games, or lurker-viper management in the late game. However, Dark was unable to continue his momentum against Rogue. As easily as Dark beat Solar, so did Rogue with Dark, taking calculated risks and attacking aggressively. Dark seemed a beat slower in his decision making—as when he made Drones while enemy forces marched under a scouting overlord—or was simply taken completely off guard.

The last quadrant of the bracket ended with a Jin Air Team kill and the rekindling of much hype, as Maru coming out on top. (Wiki)sOs eked out a win in an odd series against (Wiki)Stats, where despite going the full five games ended up being the shortest in terms of game time. sOs using dark templars to varying degrees of effectiveness, while Stats either punished sOs or coming up short against him. However, Maru put a stop to sOs' shenanigans with much more efficiency, punishing his team-mate for choosing builds like proxy gateways, dark templars and glaive adepts.

The hope of a Maru-Serral grand finals burns in the hearts of StarCraft II fans once more. While Zest's poor record against Serral suggests the Finnish Phenom will hold up his end of the bargain, the match between Rogue and Maru could be a much tighter affair. IEM Katowice concludes on March 1st with the semifinals and grand finals.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
February 29 2020 21:27 GMT
#2
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
688 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-29 21:56:30
February 29 2020 21:54 GMT
#3
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Some people just want to watch the world burn, drown, freeze, suffocate, get crushed and blown up all at the same time.

Serral 3-0 Zest
Maru 3-1 Rogue
?????????????????

Zest doesn't know how to play PvZ, and I think Maru is all of: on a roll, historically favored vs Rogue, and has Rogue's sympathies. I wonder if Rogue will intentionally play cheesy against Maru so that Maru can hide strats in the final, though maybe he'll accidentally cheese Maru out...

In any case, praying for Serral vs Maru, not just b/c of historical hype, but b/c Serral has already gone through Cure, TY, and INnoVation, and is well on his way to silencing the "but he doesn't play against KR Terrans" crowd. Especially as Dark keeps combusting randomly (and can't play ZvZ - sad Dark fan), it will be nice to have a more stable zerg advance the ZvT meta.

Edit: I realize that a lot of people will say that ZvT isn't exactly the hardest matchup these days. Even so, it would be cool to see how Serral would handle Maru's huge dynamic range.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-29 22:01:19
February 29 2020 22:00 GMT
#4
I think Maru vs Rogue will be close no matter who takes it. Zest vs Serral on the other hand? Looking at their matchup historically, you could say Serral is going to crush. And fair enough, but I really would like to see Zest's killer ZvP he showcased in the group shine here.

(Z)Serral 3-2 (P)Zest
(T)Maru 3-2 (Z)Rogue
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QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-29 22:30:17
February 29 2020 22:02 GMT
#5
On March 01 2020 06:54 yubo56 wrote:
Zest doesn't know how to play PvZ

He beat Rogue, Reynor, Armani, and soO in the group stage. I wouldn't say he's favored against Serral, but he's definately got a (good) chance.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 29 2020 22:10 GMT
#6
hmm, so the finals is not Maru vs Serral, we know that. that still leaves 3 possible scenarios!
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
February 29 2020 22:11 GMT
#7
I too think that Zest is probably the hardest opponent for Serral.
After Zest there's probably Maru, then Reynor (obv. already out)
Have a nice day!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 29 2020 22:32 GMT
#8
It's easy to look at the bracket and say Zest just PvP'd his way there and will lose to zerg. But he actually looks damn good at this event. And historically he performs better in bigger matches.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 29 2020 22:34 GMT
#9
On March 01 2020 07:32 Fango wrote:
It's easy to look at the bracket and say Zest just PvP'd his way there and will lose to zerg. But he actually looks damn good at this event. And historically he performs better in bigger matches.

he PvZd out of his 4Z group actually, his one loss came from pvp in the groups.
I think it s not just the numbers, his PvZ is looking better than ever, he hinted to some special builds, he could take it.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-29 23:03:17
February 29 2020 23:02 GMT
#10
Zest absolutely has a shot vs. Serral. I just hope it's not a 3-0 bop.

EDIT: would be ok with a 3:0 serral bop, just not Zest lol
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-29 23:24:16
February 29 2020 23:17 GMT
#11
So hyped for Maru vs Rogue. Both players look to be on a roll ! I would say Maru is slightly favored as his TvZ is just absolutely best in the world and Rogue tends to struggle in the matchup, but in the teamkill stats do not matter that much.

My predictions:

(Z)(Z)Serral 2-3 (P)(P)Zest
(T)(T)Maru 3-2 (Z)(Z)Rogue

(T)(T)Maru 4-0 (P)(P)Zest

The thing that makes me most sad is that the semi-final is just a best of 5
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
February 29 2020 23:24 GMT
#12
Btw. Rogue is 18-5 (40-14) in ZvZ since last patch. That is outrageous, wow. Kinda makes me want to see a Rogue vs Serral finals
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
February 29 2020 23:37 GMT
#13
Serral vs Maru will finally happen!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 29 2020 23:38 GMT
#14
(Z)Serral 3-0 (P)Zest
(Z)Rogue 3-1 (T)Maru
(Z)Serral 4-1 (Z)Rogue
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
February 29 2020 23:41 GMT
#15
I don't think zest can beat serral, the history record of him vs serral is just too bad
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland936 Posts
March 01 2020 00:21 GMT
#16
My prediction is that Serral will stand victorious, and from the Katowice stage, look upon us mere mortals and whisper.

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generationzyklon
Profile Joined December 2019
Poland9 Posts
March 01 2020 00:34 GMT
#17
Maru will eat serral
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 01 2020 00:54 GMT
#18
On March 01 2020 06:54 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Some people just want to watch the world burn, drown, freeze, suffocate, get crushed and blown up all at the same time.

Or Rogue is literally my second favorite player behind sOs and ahead of Maru and is the ONLY Zerg I'll root for ever. (I'll root against certain players when they are playing a Zerg I dislike less) Also, my hatred of Serral has overtaken my previous hatred of Zest.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
March 01 2020 01:06 GMT
#19
Hoping that against all expectations Maru and Zest can deliver a miracle final without a Zerg.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4505 Posts
March 01 2020 01:22 GMT
#20
Zest for global champ of new era
hi. big fan.
col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
March 01 2020 01:39 GMT
#21
MARU MARU MARU
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 01 2020 02:05 GMT
#22
Personally not gonna get excited until that matchup is confirmed- I was SURE we’d get to see it in BlizzCon Group B last year and I think we all remember what happened there.

I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

I’m a lot more concerned because I can easily see Maru falling to Rogue. It would, after all, be the Maru thing to do and Rogue is one heck of a Zerg beast when he’s on point.

Still, one can dream... but don’t give me hope... Don’t do it... I might start to believe it could happen and we all know what happens next. 😬
RainStorm148
Profile Joined July 2018
20 Posts
March 01 2020 02:29 GMT
#23
Zest is probably gonna get owned. Maru vs Rogue can go either way.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
March 01 2020 02:51 GMT
#24
Please Zest, crush Serral.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 01 2020 03:26 GMT
#25
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani.
In case you've forgotten who those players are:
Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion.
Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him.
soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals.
Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand.
DrunkenSCV
Profile Joined November 2016
76 Posts
March 01 2020 05:20 GMT
#26
You will be a champ Maru!
If not, anyway, what handsomely looking semifinals we've got!
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
March 01 2020 05:31 GMT
#27
On March 01 2020 07:11 watchlulu wrote:
I too think that Zest is probably the hardest opponent for Serral.
After Zest there's probably Maru, then Reynor (obv. already out)


You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final. Maru and Rogue are much bigger challenges for him and Maru is probably the most difficult opponent in the world he could face.
Meeii
Profile Joined July 2015
155 Posts
March 01 2020 05:39 GMT
#28
On March 01 2020 14:31 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 07:11 watchlulu wrote:
I too think that Zest is probably the hardest opponent for Serral.
After Zest there's probably Maru, then Reynor (obv. already out)


You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final. Maru and Rogue are much bigger challenges for him and Maru is probably the most difficult opponent in the world he could face.


You know Serral just lost 0-2 to freaking Hurricane right? I'm not saying the same thing will happen now but Zest have played a lot better so I feel he definitely have a chance.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
March 01 2020 06:27 GMT
#29
On March 01 2020 14:31 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 07:11 watchlulu wrote:
I too think that Zest is probably the hardest opponent for Serral.
After Zest there's probably Maru, then Reynor (obv. already out)


You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final. Maru and Rogue are much bigger challenges for him and Maru is probably the most difficult opponent in the world he could face.


If Maru takes out Rogue, he's got a case for one of Serral's hardest possible opponents. Maru's bracket is interesting. He's kind of facing down a lot of demons from his past runs. First sOs, then Rogue, then facing Serral in an IEM finals has to bring back memories of his finals vs Life... If Maru actually takes this tournament, that's at least 3 redemptions in one!
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
loft
Profile Joined July 2009
United States344 Posts
March 01 2020 06:29 GMT
#30
Don't want to see Zest destroy Serral, but I feel it in my bones. Good luck, Joona.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-01 06:42:08
March 01 2020 06:34 GMT
#31
On March 01 2020 12:26 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani.
In case you've forgotten who those players are:
Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion.
Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him.
soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals.
Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand.

Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
March 01 2020 06:39 GMT
#32
Serral 3-1 Zest
Maru 3-2 Rogue
Serral 4-2 Maru
Serral is just in a Class of his own
MaxPax
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-01 08:40:03
March 01 2020 08:37 GMT
#33
On March 01 2020 15:34 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 12:26 Boggyb wrote:
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani.
In case you've forgotten who those players are:
Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion.
Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him.
soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals.
Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand.

Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3.

So in your world it simply doesn't matter how good anyone does against other players, because Serral is just simply better than every other player in the world so you cant compare? So by your logic no plasyer will ever have a have a chance against Serral because they haven't beaten Serral yet which is the only criteria you would find acceptable for arguing that anyone has a chance against Serral.

Zest defeated bloody soO, Reynor and Rogue, three of the best zergs in the world. They are not second rate, Rogue is S rate ffs. Plus Serral shgowed weakness in ZvP by getting defeated by Hurricane.

Bo5 makes it more likely Serral can take it that is true but its still an even match based on the recent performances we have seen.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Dedraterllaerau
Profile Joined May 2019
113 Posts
March 01 2020 08:45 GMT
#34
On March 01 2020 06:54 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Some people just want to watch the world burn, drown, freeze, suffocate, get crushed and blown up all at the same time.

Serral 3-0 Zest
Maru 3-1 Rogue
?????????????????

Zest doesn't know how to play PvZ, and I think Maru is all of: on a roll, historically favored vs Rogue, and has Rogue's sympathies. I wonder if Rogue will intentionally play cheesy against Maru so that Maru can hide strats in the final, though maybe he'll accidentally cheese Maru out...

In any case, praying for Serral vs Maru, not just b/c of historical hype, but b/c Serral has already gone through Cure, TY, and INnoVation, and is well on his way to silencing the "but he doesn't play against KR Terrans" crowd. Especially as Dark keeps combusting randomly (and can't play ZvZ - sad Dark fan), it will be nice to have a more stable zerg advance the ZvT meta.

Edit: I realize that a lot of people will say that ZvT isn't exactly the hardest matchup these days. Even so, it would be cool to see how Serral would handle Maru's huge dynamic range.



Zest def knows how to PVZ, like Hurricane he knows trying to beat zerg in a straight up game is suicide :D
agripsss
Profile Joined June 2018
37 Posts
March 01 2020 09:01 GMT
#35
one of the greatest article titles i have ever seen in my life. god bless you team liquid.....god bless you
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
March 01 2020 09:04 GMT
#36
Good writeup, thanks.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
March 01 2020 09:26 GMT
#37
On March 01 2020 17:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 15:34 tigon_ridge wrote:
On March 01 2020 12:26 Boggyb wrote:
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani.
In case you've forgotten who those players are:
Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion.
Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him.
soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals.
Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand.

Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3.

So in your world it simply doesn't matter how good anyone does against other players, because Serral is just simply better than every other player in the world so you cant compare? So by your logic no plasyer will ever have a have a chance against Serral because they haven't beaten Serral yet which is the only criteria you would find acceptable for arguing that anyone has a chance against Serral.

Zest defeated bloody soO, Reynor and Rogue, three of the best zergs in the world. They are not second rate, Rogue is S rate ffs. Plus Serral shgowed weakness in ZvP by getting defeated by Hurricane.

Bo5 makes it more likely Serral can take it that is true but its still an even match based on the recent performances we have seen.


How did you infer all of that from what I said? Anyone has a chance against Serral. Having a chance doesn't mean the chance is anywhere close to 50%.

"S rate" means little. Numerical rating based on statistics is much more descriptive. If you're basing Serral's current ZvP on a single Bo3, you have very little to work with. Since 2019, Zest is 25-20 vs Rogue. Obviously, he understands Rogue very well. 2-1 is almost expected for Zest. He's 0-9 against Serral since 2018. Maybe he will manage to defeat Serral. Maybe not. Your prediction of an even match is still misguided either way.
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany323 Posts
March 01 2020 09:38 GMT
#38
On March 01 2020 18:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 17:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
On March 01 2020 15:34 tigon_ridge wrote:
On March 01 2020 12:26 Boggyb wrote:
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani.
In case you've forgotten who those players are:
Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion.
Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him.
soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals.
Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand.

Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3.

So in your world it simply doesn't matter how good anyone does against other players, because Serral is just simply better than every other player in the world so you cant compare? So by your logic no plasyer will ever have a have a chance against Serral because they haven't beaten Serral yet which is the only criteria you would find acceptable for arguing that anyone has a chance against Serral.

Zest defeated bloody soO, Reynor and Rogue, three of the best zergs in the world. They are not second rate, Rogue is S rate ffs. Plus Serral shgowed weakness in ZvP by getting defeated by Hurricane.

Bo5 makes it more likely Serral can take it that is true but its still an even match based on the recent performances we have seen.


How did you infer all of that from what I said? Anyone has a chance against Serral. Having a chance doesn't mean the chance is anywhere close to 50%.

"S rate" means little. Numerical rating based on statistics is much more descriptive. If you're basing Serral's current ZvP on a single Bo3, you have very little to work with. Since 2019, Zest is 25-20 vs Rogue. Obviously, he understands Rogue very well. 2-1 is almost expected for Zest. He's 0-9 against Serral since 2018. Maybe he will manage to defeat Serral. Maybe not. Your prediction of an even match is still misguided either way.


Loving logical statements.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
March 01 2020 09:52 GMT
#39
I think anyone can beat anyone in this top 4. They all crushed this tourney so far. Very interesting matches to be played. Hype level is super high.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-01 09:59:30
March 01 2020 09:57 GMT
#40
On March 01 2020 18:26 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 17:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
On March 01 2020 15:34 tigon_ridge wrote:
On March 01 2020 12:26 Boggyb wrote:
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?

Zest went 4-0 in series and 8-1 in maps against Rogue, Reynor, soO, and Armani.
In case you've forgotten who those players are:
Rogue is a 2-time world champion (Blizzcon and Katowice) plus the reigning GSL champion.
Reynor is someone who beat Serral 3 times last year to either win tournaments or advance to the finals over him.
soO a world champion and someone known for being unbeatable until the finals.
Armani is a luxury Italian fashion brand.

Armani isn't that good. SoO is okay. Zest's combined score against Reynor and Rogue is 4-2, hardly a complete walk-over. Saying if someone can beat Reynor and Rogue, then they can beat Serral, is like saying if they can beat Ragnarok and soO, then they can beat Rogue. Bo5 is much less unpredictable than Bo3.

So in your world it simply doesn't matter how good anyone does against other players, because Serral is just simply better than every other player in the world so you cant compare? So by your logic no plasyer will ever have a have a chance against Serral because they haven't beaten Serral yet which is the only criteria you would find acceptable for arguing that anyone has a chance against Serral.

Zest defeated bloody soO, Reynor and Rogue, three of the best zergs in the world. They are not second rate, Rogue is S rate ffs. Plus Serral shgowed weakness in ZvP by getting defeated by Hurricane.

Bo5 makes it more likely Serral can take it that is true but its still an even match based on the recent performances we have seen.


How did you infer all of that from what I said? Anyone has a chance against Serral. Having a chance doesn't mean the chance is anywhere close to 50%.

"S rate" means little. Numerical rating based on statistics is much more descriptive. If you're basing Serral's current ZvP on a single Bo3, you have very little to work with. Since 2019, Zest is 25-20 vs Rogue. Obviously, he understands Rogue very well. 2-1 is almost expected for Zest. He's 0-9 against Serral since 2018. Maybe he will manage to defeat Serral. Maybe not. Your prediction of an even match is still misguided either way.

It is possible I am misguided but I really donät think head to head in the past means much. Zest hasn't played as good as he does now in years, do you really think it mattered Serral beat him when he was slumping? That statistic means nothing.

Such bs as Zest being 25-20 against Rogue means he knows Rogues current style? Not true ither, players adapt and change, they dont stay the same players statically for a year. You just want easy statistics to use when in fact almost no stats we have are useful because the previous big tournament was months ago. The only relevant stats we have to judge CURRENT form is previous matches at IEM and there Zest looks good and Serrals looks mortal.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Poaktree
Profile Joined January 2017
165 Posts
March 01 2020 10:04 GMT
#41
I'm actually very worried about Serral beating Zest. I think Mary will make it to the finals though, so this time it would be Serral who bails.
EESCLuna
Profile Joined February 2017
Spain53 Posts
March 01 2020 10:59 GMT
#42
Thank god zest is back LOL.
Balance means nerf Protoss
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
March 01 2020 11:18 GMT
#43
Serral 3-0 Zest
Serral 4-0 Rogue.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
688 Posts
March 01 2020 12:29 GMT
#44
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Wow solid prediction, I got slapped. Hoping for good games!
Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.
gbrutuss
Profile Joined February 2020
9 Posts
March 01 2020 12:32 GMT
#45
Usually not rooting for a P player, but Zest is an exception. Would love to see him win.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
March 01 2020 12:58 GMT
#46
Pro terrans are just wasting their time in SC2...
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic625 Posts
March 01 2020 13:23 GMT
#47
On March 01 2020 21:58 Vision_ wrote:
Pro terrans are just wasting their time in SC2...


i just wanted to contribute to that, is depressing how Terran players aren't able to archive anything this days.
How may help u?
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
March 01 2020 13:29 GMT
#48
On March 01 2020 22:23 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 21:58 Vision_ wrote:
Pro terrans are just wasting their time in SC2...


i just wanted to contribute to that, is depressing how Terran players aren't able to archive anything this days.


You re welcome in our bunker, together with some craft we could repare it :D
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
March 01 2020 13:55 GMT
#49
On March 01 2020 21:58 Vision_ wrote:
Pro terrans are just wasting their time in SC2...


So are Pro Protoss at this point
batatm
Profile Joined June 2014
Israel116 Posts
March 01 2020 13:59 GMT
#50
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Someone give this man a medal!
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 01 2020 14:06 GMT
#51
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Off by a map...
Doink
Profile Joined April 2017
75 Posts
March 01 2020 14:16 GMT
#52
I took a break from SC2. Glad to see nothing has changed and Terrans are still whining as strong as ever, despite a Terran making 3rd place
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic625 Posts
March 01 2020 15:21 GMT
#53
On March 01 2020 23:16 Doink wrote:
I took a break from SC2. Glad to see nothing has changed and Terrans are still whining as strong as ever, despite a Terran making 3rd place


lol and u think that a big achievement?
How may help u?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12890 Posts
March 01 2020 15:40 GMT
#54
On March 02 2020 00:21 BonitiilloO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 23:16 Doink wrote:
I took a break from SC2. Glad to see nothing has changed and Terrans are still whining as strong as ever, despite a Terran making 3rd place


lol and u think that a big achievement?

2 terrans in ro12 and 1 terran top 4 is far better than the 1 terran in ro12 and 1 top 8 from last year IEM for sure
WriterMaru
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4408 Posts
March 01 2020 15:42 GMT
#55
On March 01 2020 23:16 Doink wrote:
I took a break from SC2. Glad to see nothing has changed and Terrans are still whining as strong as ever, despite a Terran making 3rd place


Maru is the exception not the norm. Terran has done horrible for the last few years. In premier events they only make up about 20% of the top 8s since 2018. That's atrocious for a game with 3 races. If you remove Maru that percentage drops considerably. For Z/P there's no single player you can remove that hurts them as much as removing Maru.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6944 Posts
March 02 2020 12:21 GMT
#56
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest


Wow! Just wow!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 05 2020 15:47 GMT
#57
On March 01 2020 11:05 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I’m not too worried about Serral. He’s proven solid and reliable and he’s going against Zest who, lets face it, is pretty terrible at PvZ in general. Maybe he’s gotten better but good enough for Serral?


What happened to Serral in game 4?

He spotted warp prism and blindly started building 2 spore crawlers then noticed 8 adepts and 4 more warping in next to his third while he has 4 zerglings and just started first 5 roaches.

Feels like Serral hallucinated seeing a dark shrine building.
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 05 2020 15:48 GMT
#58
On March 01 2020 23:06 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest

Off by a map...


He should make bets on these matches. And get rich.
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 05 2020 15:50 GMT
#59
On March 01 2020 14:31 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 07:11 watchlulu wrote:
I too think that Zest is probably the hardest opponent for Serral.
After Zest there's probably Maru, then Reynor (obv. already out)


You must be kidding. Zest is pretty much a walkover for Serral who is now effectively seeded into the final.


Damn Zest missed the memo, and I wanted to see Rogue vs Serral finals.
<3 Alexis Eusebio, Lee Shin Hyung, Choi Seong Hun, Joo Sung Wook, Jang Min Chul, Kim Yoo Jin, Lee Young Ho, Lee Shin Hyung, Yun Young Seo, Kim Joon Ho, Jeong Jong Hyeon, Eo Yoon Su, Johan Lucchesi, Ilyes Satouri
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
April 26 2020 20:33 GMT
#60
On March 02 2020 21:21 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest


Wow! Just wow!


Yah yah
Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
April 26 2020 21:11 GMT
#61
On April 27 2020 05:33 ProFalseIdol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2020 21:21 Harris1st wrote:
On March 01 2020 06:27 Boggyb wrote:
(P)Zest 3 - 1 (Z)Serral
(Z)Rogue 3 - 2 (T)Maru
(Z)Rogue 4 - 1 (P)Zest


Wow! Just wow!


Yah yah


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