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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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aringadingding
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On February 23 2020 14:57 Danglars wrote: Are you referring also to people that don't accept whispers from those not on their friends list? And is blocking someone really that annoying and serious? Yes, i refer to that, and also during the game. And no it not serious at all. I was just curious, hence i asked. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
On February 23 2020 10:37 brickrd wrote: on NA, around ~4000-5000 MMR, BM is endemic and horrifically toxic. i never encounter anyone who's friendly. from what i can tell normal people just don't talk at all. some people "GL HF," but the vast majority of them are still rude if they lose That's very strange, I'm also playing in that MMR range on NA from time to time, I only encounter bad BM after cheese or after wins in the super late game. Mostly, it's mild, e.g. someone typed "INSTANT REMAX LOL" and left. I'm zerg. Personally, I find BM amusing. Doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes really great stuff happens, like: virpi: glhf Opponent: cunt | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 23 2020 15:03 MockHamill wrote: I love it when people BM me after a loss. Makes the game much more enjoyable than a boring GG. It is also a good way to learn languages, I now know how to insult people in English, French, Spanish, Russian, German and Italian. Same boat I'm also BM most games so it feels empty if they don't BM me back | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Anc13nt
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nerdchill
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DarthIke71
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On February 23 2020 08:54 aringadingding wrote: yeah ofc i get your point. But if you are not a top GM player i imagine most people can actually learn stuff from the opponent. Watching the replay is good and analysing the game yourself. But i find a direct feedback can give you additional knowledge to that analysis. And, if you are not top GM, you are most likely not playing that opponent that often, and not in very important games...so you have very little to loose. But to each his own. Don't bother learning lessons and bad habits from bad players. Grinding on ladder in low leagues just teaches bad habits, it is a terrible idea. If you want to win, study what the best players do, copy some builds that appeal to you and run them. Not until you get them right, but until you can't get them wrong. First alone in custom games versus the AI, then on the ladder. If you can do that, you'll realize how tight the timings need to be and you'll be in Masters League, even if you only have 1 build against each race. That's the easy part. Then, expand the number of builds you are able to deploy and eventually come up with your own. You're going to have plow your own way forward if you want to be the best. You're not going to be a better version of any single professional player, you can only be the best version of aringadingding. When Stephano came on the scene he was using Roaches in ZvT and it was laughable at the time. Then he wrecked multiple Code S Korean players on his way to winning multiple tournaments full of Koreans and suddenly was the single foreigner who could compete. If you didn't watch SC2 at that time, it was incredible. He single handedly changed metas. It is hard to overstate how good he was. He walked into Pro-League and won his first two matches, something that had never been done (I don't think any foreigner had even won their first match). So unless you are taking advice from the best, don't bother. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25157 Posts
On February 24 2020 00:49 DarthIke71 wrote: BM is always toxic imo. I've seen some pretty bad BM is SC2 more so than other games. I've seen a lot of different ones but the worst example is one person literally called me autistic and said I should kill myself. He harassed me for half an hour and repeated the same statement over and over. I try not to block people. I was hoping he'd calm down and we could actually discuss the game and learn from each other. Unfortunately too many people seem to just BM then block or they only accept messages from friends. I'm a father and I understand why as a parent you'd want to use that setting but... I feel in the long run it only allows people to BM more without recourse and never learn why they lost and/or struggled so hard to close the win. I'm not perfect. I've played this game for years and I used to BM some but I've never told anyone to kill themselves. SC2 is a great game and I hope the player base grows. At this point in time I don't see that happening in large part to the current state of Blizzard in the media; but also because BM chases new players away quite aggressively. I've got over 12k games played at this point. I fully understand how frustrating the game can be. Maybe it's unrealistic, wishful thinking, but I still hope the player base grows while becoming more mature at the same time. I can definitely see how higher level players can overlook it but BM is toxic and chases new players away. I just wish more people would try to reach out to the BM'er in a civil way and try to help them learn instead of BM'ing back then blocking. I think it would help the overall community and in turn the competitive community in a big way. I don’t really think it would, I respectfully disagree, but with real emphasis on the respect for your position, There are very much tiers of BM, from the frustrated singular outburst to the sustained weird threats on your family’s lives or whatever. Reaching out to the former can be quite productive, the latter category are pretty defective people whose behaviour is ridiculous and is only semi-tolerated because of the ‘it’s the internet’ being an excuse for horrendous behaviour. Maybe it’s being old and having played games online for over 20 years, I’m just sick of such behaviour and the pseudo-tolerance of it as an inevitability. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25157 Posts
On February 24 2020 01:14 BronzeKnee wrote: Don't bother learning lessons and bad habits from bad players. Grinding on ladder in low leagues just teaches bad habits, it is a terrible idea. If you want to win, study what the best players do, copy some builds that appeal to you and run them. Not until you get them right, but until you can't get them wrong. First alone in custom games versus the AI, then on the ladder. If you can do that, you'll realize how tight the timings need to be and you'll be in Masters League, even if you only have 1 build against each race. That's the easy part. Then, expand the number of builds you are able to deploy and eventually come up with your own. You're going to have plow your own way forward if you want to be the best. You're not going to be a better version of any single professional players, you can only be the best version of aringadingding. When Stephano came on the scene he was using Roaches in ZvT and it was laughable at the time. Then he wrecked multiple Code S Korean players on his way to winning multiple tournaments full of Koreans and suddenly was the single foreigner who could compete. If you didn't watch SC2 at that time, it was incredible. He single handedly changed metas. It is hard to overstate how good he was. He walked into Pro-League and won his first two matches, something that had never been done (I don't think any foreigner had even won their first match). So unless you are taking advice from the best, don't bother. It’s a good approach if you have a certain goal, say making Masters or whatever. Not everyone wants to play a game where they’re studying and analysing as much as they’re playing the game, so having others to point out obvious mistakes can be pretty useful. Some people just want to see how far they can improve playing the game and using their own weird builds and strategies for example. Personally when I do return to playing actively I look around for builds I like stylistically and I do the exact process you’re talking about, I think there’s a satisfaction in nailing a smooth build in and of itself, so I don’t disagree with the approach at all obviously. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Obviously following a BO and focusing on macro mechanics is the best way to get better, but not everyone is interested in that part of it. I know personally, as someone who doesn't play that much since a few years I don't even bother with build order. I just kind of follow general idea of what I want to do and if someone give me some advise after a game I may try it next game just to see if it stick. Depend what your goal is, I could never have the patience to grind build order practice vs the IA personally. Edit: Oups, what Wombat just said. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On February 24 2020 01:48 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s a good approach if you have a certain goal, say making Masters or whatever. Not everyone wants to play a game where they’re studying and analysing as much as they’re playing the game, so having others to point out obvious mistakes can be pretty useful. Some people just want to see how far they can improve playing the game and using their own weird builds and strategies for example. Personally when I do return to playing actively I look around for builds I like stylistically and I do the exact process you’re talking about, I think there’s a satisfaction in nailing a smooth build in and of itself, so I don’t disagree with the approach at all obviously. Starcraft, like almost everything in life, is what you make it. If you want it to be social and be able to chat nicely with people, some will play along, some won't. Nothing wrong with either approach really. Just wanted to make sure people understand why I muted everyone when I played. Comments, good, bad, bm, whatever could only distract me, even if it amused me. It wasn't that I was afraid of bm, I just wasn't there for it, or anything social. So let's let Starcraft be whatever the player wants it to be no matter what they choose without judging them, which this thread does. I do think reaching out to someone BMing is almost always counter-productive, walk away or let them suffer alone like I do by muting your opponent at the start of a match, take away their ability to vent through being toxic because it isn't productive. And self control isn't something you learn from someone else. Starcraft is what you make it, and some people want to be miserable in life. Don't join them. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 23 2020 15:44 aringadingding wrote: Yes, i refer to that, and also during the game. And no it not serious at all. I was just curious, hence i asked. Yeah I don’t think the “only allow whispers from those in my friends list” is a good measure of people wanting to avoid BM. It just helps practice in developing a zen attitude towards macro or new builds. I’m sure some people do it because of nasty people online wanting to avoid it all, but there’s a hefty contingent just enjoying the silence. I don’t have it on now since I’m casual, but for a time learning a new race new build, I put it on. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On February 24 2020 00:41 nerdchill wrote: I feel it's the same as in most other games. BM is prevalent in lower leagues, because those players let their mentality get in the way of learning. Which is part of the reason why they are stuck in lower leagues. Yes! I've noticed this as well. The vast majority of the raging I've seen from my cannon rushes were from silver-plat players. I hardly ever got any from masters. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On February 24 2020 08:19 tigon_ridge wrote: Yes! I've noticed this as well. The vast majority of the raging I've seen from my cannon rushes were from silver-plat players. I hardly ever got any from masters. there are numerous GM to pro level players known for BM and trash attitudes lol | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
Now getting BM'ed in team games or co-op modes, especially from teammates? That's a different story... | ||
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vyzion
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Dedraterllaerau
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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but still! ). 
