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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:10:52
January 07 2020 15:40 GMT
#61
The good

- ESL taking over, Apollo in charge of top SC2! (I already saw this as the best case scenario months ago, stoked to see it happen)
- IEM Katowice has for years been widely recognized as the best Starcraft (weekend) tournament. These people are running the show now.
- Less top heavy prize distribution
- Much better qualification system for the World Championship. Looks like it will finally like up to its name.
- An online tournament to fill in the gaps, fantastic idea.
- THREE YEARS!!

The bad

- Still region lock. But Apollo recognizes the problem and says that they didn't have time for an overhaul now. In 2021 it will probably have resolved itself.
- Only three tournaments in Korea. No more Super Tournament 1 and 2, no more GSL vs the world.
- Overall, there will be less top Starcraft than the last three years.
- No Master in China (yet)? And reducing China's player spots? This seems like a massive mistake considering the development there, and the fact that 20% of all SC2 players are from China.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33366 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 15:42:08
January 07 2020 15:41 GMT
#62
North America maintaining 4 challenger seeds while EU pillages 3 more spots away from OCE, Asia, and China is the drama-fodder I've been waiting for all year
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
January 07 2020 15:42 GMT
#63
Awesome, I think?

Very sudden but cool. It is really weird that blizzcon is being replaced by Katowice though. Like is there just gonna be no Starcraft at blizzcon then? That seems... weird
libero0006
Profile Joined March 2018
4 Posts
January 07 2020 15:44 GMT
#64
I feel so relieved now !! and so hype for the next seasons ! I think the missing of a blizzcon tournament will definetly leave a gap, but fuck off, IEM Katowice is 100% hype and cool !
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
January 07 2020 15:47 GMT
#65
On January 08 2020 00:41 Waxangel wrote:
North America maintaining 4 challenger seeds while EU pillages 3 more spots away from OCE, Asia, and China is the drama-fodder I've been waiting for all year


I hope we get an exile to Australia, so that the OCE top 4 is ButAlways, Risky, Firefly and Rex
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25152 Posts
January 07 2020 15:48 GMT
#66
Pretty exciting, that’s a hell of an overhaul to do at once so I could see them tweaking things here and there over time.

The online tournament thing is also pretty good to fill the gaps and be a breeding ground for new talent.

As for Korea, hm. I guess I await an announcement on specifics there but it doesn’t sound promising thus far.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
January 07 2020 15:54 GMT
#67
On January 07 2020 23:32 Durnuu wrote:
Did Apollo KILL THE KOREAN SCENE back then in order to take control of all SC2?

What if I told you that the SC2 scene is now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith?
jkjk

Great news all around, enabling people to do some longer term planning etc.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 15:55:41
January 07 2020 15:54 GMT
#68
Considering Blizzcon 2019, moving the final global competition to Katowice is only going to be for the better.

We losing a challenger spot sucks but is expected.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:05:05
January 07 2020 15:57 GMT
#69
PS. Really like that the hype video starts with iNcontroL and TotalBiscuit

PPS. This is really a video for the community, so many small things from Starcraft's history in there.

PPPs. Even ESL are ignoring Dark's world championship! What the hell is going on??!!?
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:00:44
January 07 2020 16:00 GMT
#70
Also we now know SC2 will have at least 13 straight years of professional offline tournaments, we're just a year of BW guys, 2010 haters be damned!

(Although best of luck to the BW scene, it's always great to watch)
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:04:26
January 07 2020 16:01 GMT
#71
This is so great, love almost everything about it. Especially the weekly cups being tied in to the greater yearly competition process and the changed prize distribution. Should make it much more exciting and rewarding for upcoming players and more sustainable for a greater number for middling pros.
Only thing I'm not too happy with is that we only get one Chinese spot. Seems to me like the Chinese scene has been developing recently and it would be a shame to stifle more talent like Time coming up and playing internationally.

Oh and also Katowice will probably be a much cooler season finale/world championship than Blizzcon. More players means there is almost no chance of missing one of the truly great players with the potential of winning it all (like Innovation in 2019, who won WESG after all and can always have a sick weekend.)
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
January 07 2020 16:08 GMT
#72
I'm happy with the 3 more years of pro starcraft, but taking spots from China, Oceania, and Hongkong, Taiwan, Macau and Japan doesn't feel like a good decision to me, that basiclly means Asian players will have a harder time to show themselves, and have to fight for NA, EU spots with that huge and insane lag.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 07 2020 16:11 GMT
#73
On January 08 2020 00:57 sneakyfox wrote:
PS. Really like that the hype video starts with iNcontroL and TotalBiscuit

PPS. This is really a video for the community, so many small things from Starcraft's history in there.

PPPs. Even ESL are ignoring Dark's world championship! What the hell is going on??!!?


Dark has a direct invite to Katowice 2020 tho :p
Zest fanboy.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
January 07 2020 16:11 GMT
#74
I'm not too sure how the korean side works from a host/broadcast sense, is it just going to cut off afreeca/GSL in favor of a WCS Korea at the arena they did KSL1-3?
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Tastyyyy
Profile Joined July 2018
Portugal95 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:13:59
January 07 2020 16:11 GMT
#75
[QUOTE]On January 08 2020 00:40 sneakyfox wrote:

- Only three tournaments in Korea. No more Super Tournament 1 and 2. I guess one of the "global masters" counts instead of GSL vs the world. [QUOTE]


Nowhere it says that there won't be Super Tournaments. Winners of STs didn't even qualified for Blizzcon before, which it means it stays the same.

It only says 3 winners from Korea = t3 GSL of similar tournament
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
January 07 2020 16:12 GMT
#76
On January 08 2020 01:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm not too sure how the korean side works from a host/broadcast sense, is it just going to cut off afreeca/GSL in favor of a WCS Korea at the arena they did KSL1-3?

Details not finalized yet it seems.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
January 07 2020 16:12 GMT
#77
Apollo confirms that the prize pools announced ($1.9m, then $1.2m) exclude the Korean tournaments.

"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:14:23
January 07 2020 16:14 GMT
#78
On January 08 2020 01:12 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 01:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm not too sure how the korean side works from a host/broadcast sense, is it just going to cut off afreeca/GSL in favor of a WCS Korea at the arena they did KSL1-3?

Details not finalized yet it seems.


interesting, wonder how a potential cutoff of afreeca affects the scene, if at all.

purely speculating here.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 16:16:07
January 07 2020 16:15 GMT
#79
On January 08 2020 01:11 Tastyyyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 00:40 sneakyfox wrote:

- Only three tournaments in Korea. No more Super Tournament 1 and 2. I guess one of the "global masters" counts instead of GSL vs the world.



Nowhere it says that there won't be Super Tournaments. Winners of STs didn't even qualified for Blizzcon before, which it means it stays the same.

It only says 3 winners from Korea = t3 GSL of similar tournament


Yeah okay, it doesn't say that they're off. But that doesn't automatically mean that it "stays the same". We will have to wait and see.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Tastyyyy
Profile Joined July 2018
Portugal95 Posts
January 07 2020 16:17 GMT
#80
On January 08 2020 01:15 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 01:11 Tastyyyy wrote:
On January 08 2020 00:40 sneakyfox wrote:

- Only three tournaments in Korea. No more Super Tournament 1 and 2. I guess one of the "global masters" counts instead of GSL vs the world.



Nowhere it says that there won't be Super Tournaments. Winners of STs didn't even qualified for Blizzcon before, which it means it stays the same.

It only says 3 winners from Korea = t3 GSL of similar tournament


Yeah okay, it doesn't say that they're off. But that doesn't automatically mean that it "stays the same". We will have to wait and see.


Exactly, lets not get ahead of ourselves
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