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Rogue defeats Dark, advances to Code S finals

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Profile Joined July 2011
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Last Edited: 2019-09-18 18:33:00
September 18 2019 18:32 GMT
#1
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2019 Global StarCraft II League - Code S Season 3

StarCraft II fans got to see what it looks like when the famed 'GSL-style preparation' is applied to a high-level ZvZ series, with (Wiki)Rogue defeating (Wiki)Dark 4-1 in a strategically wild semifinals.

Dark struck first by pulling out an unusual ZvZ version of Nydus-Swarm Host in game one, which was enough to fluster Rogue (who was going for a Mutalisk based strategy) in the mid-game and set up a killing blow with Hydra-Roach.


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Unfortunately for Dark, game one would be the only time he outsmarted Rogue in the series. Rogue's pool-first gamble in game two worked perfectly, easily countering a greedy, economy-based opener from Dark. Game three saw Rogue surprise Dark yet again, but this time with fast Lurkers off just two bases. Rogue patiently used his Lurkers to accrue a big enough advantage to finish Dark off later in the game.

Down 1-2, Dark decided it was his turn to gamble on an early pool. However, Rogue opened with an almost perfect counter, getting a slightly later pool but faster expansion. In a game between closely-matched pros, this advantage inevitably snowballed into a win for Rogue later on.

The final match of the night ended up being the closest to 'standard' ZvZ, with neither player going for any radical moves to start. As Roach vs Roach battles erupted across the map, it started to appear as if Dark was building a lead off better trades. However, the arrival of Rogue's Lurkers on the battlefield swung the momentum back in his favor, allowing him to seize better positions and eventually force Dark into submission.

With his victory, Rogue reaches his first ever GSL Code S grand finals. The finals is now guaranteed to be an all-Jin Air affair, with the winner of (Wiki)Maru or (Wiki)Trap advancing to face Rogue. Maru and Trap will play in the second semifinal match on Saturday, Sep 21 4:30am GMT (GMT+00:00).

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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19262 Posts
September 18 2019 19:07 GMT
#2
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.
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Nostromo1
Profile Joined April 2016
37 Posts
September 18 2019 19:15 GMT
#3
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
September 18 2019 19:22 GMT
#4
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 18 2019 19:28 GMT
#5
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 19:34:17
September 18 2019 19:32 GMT
#6
On September 19 2019 04:15 Nostromo1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.

Let's rephrase that: If Trap wins against Maru we have a guaranteed new GSL victor because both Rogue and Trap don't have it
(edit> I rephrased the post you're reacting to)

On September 19 2019 04:28 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o

Question: Who are the practice partners for vMaru games? And I mean it, no other Terran ever shown such style, so who can emulate it? I believe both ROgue and Trap know MAru well enough, but still
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 18 2019 19:56 GMT
#7
this was one of those matches where all the people who don't pay attention to race matchups were calling it an obvious dark victory and all the people who do pay attention were feeling rogue, lol, gg
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
September 18 2019 20:15 GMT
#8
On September 19 2019 04:15 Nostromo1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.


that's what his post implied.
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EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation167 Posts
September 18 2019 20:45 GMT
#9
rogue must win this gsl and global finals
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12894 Posts
September 18 2019 20:53 GMT
#10
On September 19 2019 04:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:15 Nostromo1 wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.

Let's rephrase that: If Trap wins against Maru we have a guaranteed new GSL victor because both Rogue and Trap don't have it
(edit> I rephrased the post you're reacting to)

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:28 Ej_ wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o

Question: Who are the practice partners for vMaru games? And I mean it, no other Terran ever shown such style, so who can emulate it? I believe both ROgue and Trap know MAru well enough, but still

Yeah watching that Maru’s POV of his series against RagnaroK I think even TY doesn’t get to this level of multitasking (or at least taking worse trades / macroing worse behind it).

Rogue can beat Maru with all sort of builds though, but he is probably vulnerable in standard games.

Trap has a good shot if he listens to sOs.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19262 Posts
September 18 2019 20:54 GMT
#11
On September 19 2019 04:32 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:15 Nostromo1 wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.

Let's rephrase that: If Trap wins against Maru we have a guaranteed new GSL victor because both Rogue and Trap don't have it
(edit> I rephrased the post you're reacting to)

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:28 Ej_ wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o

Question: Who are the practice partners for vMaru games? And I mean it, no other Terran ever shown such style, so who can emulate it? I believe both ROgue and Trap know MAru well enough, but still


Thanks! That's what I meant
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Jimmon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States112 Posts
September 18 2019 20:57 GMT
#12
On September 19 2019 04:28 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o


Dude, this makes me so fucking hard. Yes.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
September 18 2019 21:13 GMT
#13
The downside (or upside?) is that all we have left to witness is teamkill shenanigans where Rogue, Trap, and Maru try to throw out their weird builds to out-mindgame each other.
very illegal and very uncool
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-18 22:21:14
September 18 2019 22:20 GMT
#14
On September 19 2019 06:13 argonautdice wrote:
The downside (or upside?) is that all we have left to witness is teamkill shenanigans where Rogue, Trap, and Maru try to throw out their weird builds to out-mindgame each other.

don't understand how this is a downside, it's a valid way to play starcraft against a known opponent and a valid skill

it's usually 900x more interesting than watching a player roll over someone with significantly worse macro
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ClaudeSc2
Profile Joined May 2014
United States73 Posts
September 19 2019 00:14 GMT
#15
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


The future is never a guarantee. We have another Ro4 match and Finals ahead of us, and you're worried about the Ro8 in the 1st season 2020?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 19 2019 00:36 GMT
#16
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


Last season we had 7/8 player who had played for the title of world champion at some point.
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serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
September 19 2019 01:57 GMT
#17
On September 19 2019 05:53 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 04:32 deacon.frost wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:15 Nostromo1 wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.

Let's rephrase that: If Trap wins against Maru we have a guaranteed new GSL victor because both Rogue and Trap don't have it
(edit> I rephrased the post you're reacting to)

On September 19 2019 04:28 Ej_ wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o

Question: Who are the practice partners for vMaru games? And I mean it, no other Terran ever shown such style, so who can emulate it? I believe both ROgue and Trap know MAru well enough, but still

Yeah watching that Maru’s POV of his series against RagnaroK I think even TY doesn’t get to this level of multitasking (or at least taking worse trades / macroing worse behind it).

Rogue can beat Maru with all sort of builds though, but he is probably vulnerable in standard games.

Trap has a good shot if he listens to sOs.



Pretty sure Maru said that teammates don't help each other practice for teamkills, and that they just solo ladder.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
September 19 2019 03:24 GMT
#18
On September 19 2019 10:57 serendipitous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2019 05:53 Poopi wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:32 deacon.frost wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:15 Nostromo1 wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:07 BisuDagger wrote:
If trap wins the we get a new GSL winner. Which also means we are closer to having all-GSL winner round of eights in the future.


If Rogue wins he too would also be a first time winner as well here's to hoping that Trap can beat Maru I would prefer to see Rogue play against Trap.

Let's rephrase that: If Trap wins against Maru we have a guaranteed new GSL victor because both Rogue and Trap don't have it
(edit> I rephrased the post you're reacting to)

On September 19 2019 04:28 Ej_ wrote:
On September 19 2019 04:22 Zephyp wrote:
Rogue won so many Premier tournaments, I keep forgetting he never won a GSL. Go Log!

Matter of fact, this is the first time he ever made it past ro8. Sky is the limit for him now.


And probably Maru ;o

Question: Who are the practice partners for vMaru games? And I mean it, no other Terran ever shown such style, so who can emulate it? I believe both ROgue and Trap know MAru well enough, but still

Yeah watching that Maru’s POV of his series against RagnaroK I think even TY doesn’t get to this level of multitasking (or at least taking worse trades / macroing worse behind it).

Rogue can beat Maru with all sort of builds though, but he is probably vulnerable in standard games.

Trap has a good shot if he listens to sOs.



Pretty sure Maru said that teammates don't help each other practice for teamkills, and that they just solo ladder.


That would make a lot of sense, actually.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33432 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-19 04:26:28
September 19 2019 04:25 GMT
#19
Thought it was interesting how the difficult ZvZ practice situation in Korea alluded to in the quarterfinal interviews got brought up again. Rogue thanking Solar and TRUE, Solar in particular for helping him fine-tune builds. Meanwhile, Dark just generically saying he 'practiced hard.'

Obv Dark could have prepared just as well and simply not talked about it, but it's more entertaining to believe Rogue's friendships won him the match
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
September 19 2019 04:26 GMT
#20
I have a feeling that if Maru wins against Trap (which is not very unlikely), the finals could be kinda one-sided. Hoping Rogue proves me wrong though
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