• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:18
CEST 20:18
KST 03:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion Soulkey on ASL S20 BW General Discussion ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group C BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2362 users

GSL vs. The World 2019: Preview

Forum Index > SC2 General
95 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

GSL vs. The World 2019: Preview

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
August 14th, 2019 01:27 GMT

GSL vs. The World 2019
A World of Possibilities

After a thrilling undercard featuring no-holds-barred combat between StarCraft II fans during the voting phase, it's now time for our main event. Beginning August 15th, eight WCS Circuit players will face off against eight GSL players at GSL vs. The World 2019.



GSL vs. The World 2019

Ahead of the tournament, the TL.net writers submitted their bracket predictions and elaborated on the key points in the competition (some were more serious than others). Enjoy the preview, and let us know who you think will win!

Finally, the Dream Match

by Orlok


There's a case to be made that Serral vs Maru was never a 'real' rivalry, given that they barely ever played each other at the peak of their powers. However, the fact that Maru vs Serral is still one of the most hyped matches possible at GSL vs. World proves that a rivalry that exists inside the heads of fans is just as valid as one that plays out in actual StarCraft II matches.

Of course, we have to contend with Maru's traditionally poor performances in weekenders. Maru has been more than a little off of his game (suffering GSL Ro32 elimination in the previous season), and he's never been as dominant in weekender tournaments as he has in Code S to begin with. It's quite likely that he advances a round or two before being unceremoniously knocked out by a hefty opponent (most likely Dark in this bracket). Serral too, has looked mortal in his last few bouts of competition. TY, Reynor, Stats, and even TIME have either given Serral a stiff challenge or defeated him outright. Even if the lower bracket is comparatively weaker, it might be Serral who fails to live up to his end of this fan-made bargain.

However we have reasons to hope. Serral is only “slumping” compared to his previous, ridiculously high ceiling—in what world is 1st, 2nd, and top 4 at your past three events not impressive?' As for Maru, his ruthless takedown of Reynor at WCG 2019 for the $25,000 1st place prize suggests he's woken from his stupor, and he's ready to be a monster player if there's a monster payday to be won. Maybe the best case for a Serral vs Maru final can be found in your gut: At the end of the day, do you really feel comfortable betting against these two?

Reynor Levels Up

by Soularion



There's a lot going on this tournament, and realistically a lot of it will disappoint. I imagine TIME and HeRoMaRinE won't find much success against their Korean opponents, even if soO is a bit off as of late. Elazer vs Dark is a fun call-back to their 2017 BlizzCon set, and it's fun to imagine Elazer finding another upset. But even if he did, that would only further guarantee the winner of Maru/Stats a path to the finals (it's not like Neeb has a great shot either).

Speaking of, it's always difficult to imagine what version of Maru shows up to a weekender like this. Peak form Maru wins this event comfortably, but we don't know if peak form Maru even exists anymore. Personally, I expect the familiar weekender pattern to repeat itself—he'll lose to a credible opponent in the later rounds (I expect it to be Dark who topples him this time).

That leaves me with Reynor as the player who has the best chance to surprise and outperform expectations. Reynor should beat his first round opponent SpeCial, as he's typically taken care of business against the Mexican Terran at big events (WCS Summer, WCS Montreal, WCS Valencia, WESG). Reynor would most likely face Classic next, which would be a huge swing match and possibly the hardest one of his entire tournament. IF Reynor can overcome that hurdle, his likely reward would be a semifinal match against Serral. The word 'reward' isn't even sarcastic here—Reynor is an extremely peculiar player who has a significantly better chance of beating Serral than championship-caliber Koreans.

If Dark manages to defeat Maru, Stats, or whoever else comes out of the top half of the bracket, then Reynor would challenge for the GSL vs. World title using his Serral-beating, arguably world-best Zerg vs Zerg. Put it all together, and there's a surprisingly realistic scenario where Reynor wins the whole thing: Serral takes care of Trap and TY, Dark takes care of Maru or Stats, and Reynor sweeps up the ZvZ pieces.

But can Reynor really get past Classic, the best Protoss player in the world for the first half of 2019? Probably not. Even if Reynor won a Code S series against Classic last year, his overall record against top-tier Korean pros is quite shaky. However, an upset is far from impossible. And more than anything, it would be the most interesting story for competitive StarCraft II.

A Totally Plausible Prediction

by TheOneAboveU



I know what you are thinking right now. 'More foreigners in the quarterfinals than Koreans?! What is this fool thinking?!' But hear me out, and just try to envision the following scenario:

After crushing the foreigners at Assembly Summer and proving that they still run this scene, the Koreans come under unexpected assault on their home turf. Riding a wave of TvZ momentum from Assembly, TIME scores the first upset by defeating soO in the Ro16. The ever-cheerful soO sees the silver lining in his loss: he's TY's substitute caster whenever TY has a match, so why not collect a few more checks by helping TY advance as far as possible? Unfortunately for TY, soO ends up being the worst possible sparring partner for a match against Serral. 'How come he didn't suicide 50 supply of ultras for no gain?' wonders TY as he types out his last GG in a 0-3 sweep.

In the final foreigner vs Korea match of the first round, HeroMarine scores a huge upset over Code S runner-up Trap, proving the superiority of EPS over Code S once more (the following week, he presents his two map losses as proof of Protoss imbalance on his stream). Suddenly, the Koreans are outnumbered, and there is a chance of a foreigner-only top four. Korean elitists and foreigner fanboys engage in all out war on TL.net, but they're both swallowed up in a deluge of Chinese memes when TIME wins his first map against Dark.

Alas, Dark proceeds to crush TIME with three roach-ravager busts, while Stats does his patriotic duty by winning a close series against ShoWTimE. One Korean is guaranteed to be in the finals—the catastrophe has been averted. On the other side of the bracket, Big Gabe bunker-rushes Serral for two quick wins and tries a third, but the Finnish Phenom finally catches on and defends, proceeding to win the series. Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor, though it's later reported that Classic won with glaive adepts or whatever.

Dark secures a spot in the finals with a clean victory against Stats, and the community begins to get hyped for a Dark vs Serral grudge match. So, of course, Classic crushes Serral with a mixture of immortal all-ins and other Protoss bulls***. The final turns out to be quite a mixed bag, starting with one-sided all-in games before serving up a couple of intense macro games with non-stop action. In the end, Dark comes out on top, and channels DRG's old disrespect ceremony by handing Classic a military uniform. The final image on stream is Classic chasing Dark out of the studio, trying to whack him with his runner-up trophy. The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago.

In Which We Tell You Not to Have Fun

by Ziggy



Weekend, marathon-esque tournaments featuring talent from both Korea and the foreign circuit have become a rare treat for the StarCraft II scene. While GSL vs. The World's vote-based system is a topic of contention, one can hardly complain about the overall level of play and collective resume of the tour's participants.

Do allow me to get one, possibly controversial opinion out of the way: GSL vs the World is more of a 'showmatch' type tournament. It doesn't grant WCS points. It's a closed event, where the invitees are determined through a community vote. It's a weekend tournament. That's why I don't think it should be held in as high regard as Code S, IEM World Championship, or the Global Finals.

Serral's victory over Stats last year was praised as the end of an era—a well-selling headline. On the one hand, he 3-0'd INnoVation, took down Korea's strongest Zerg in Dark, and narrowly reigned supreme over a Protoss legend in the grand final. A remarkable performance, no question about that. And yet, given that it already happened before, wasn't the storyline of Korean dominance finally being matched a bit far fetched? Didn't the same thing happen with Neeb's win in KeSPA Cup or Scarlett's IEM Pyeongchang victory? All three tours took place on Korean soil. And all of their results were remarkable in their own right.

But there's is clear comparison to be drawn between Guillaume Patry's win in the year 2000 and the three foreign champions in Korea of the past three years. He won a Starleague, and that Starleague tradition (in a vague sense) has been passed down through GSL Code S. The results achieved by Neeb, Scarlett, and Serral matter. The tours themselves? Not so much. Serral didn't magically legitimize GSL vs the World by winning—he legitimized himself.

Perhaps, to most fans, that's not an important distinction. My point is: enjoy the games, enjoy the tournament. But don't read too much into what it means. Unlike BlizzCon, unlike Code S, the narrative can be spun in myriad different ways.

Ere, the Sun Still Rises!

by Wax



TY is one of those rare players whose reputation supersedes his short-term results, and his fans have been vindicated for believing in him through a brief, spring slump where he was eliminated in the Code S Ro32. Since then, he's finished second place at HomeStory Cup (narrowly losing 3-4* to Serral in the grand finals), beat Maru to advance to the Code S Ro16, and racked up enough online-offline wins to put him at #4 in the Aligulac.com rankings.

A tough first round match against Serral obscures the fact that TY should be considered one of the top candidates to win. He's recently defeated Stats and Maru in major tournaments, and went a combined 4-6 against Serral over two series at HomeStory Cup (he even beat Classic in the online Alpha X Pro Series, though Classic's online results rarely seem indicative of how he'll do in bigger offline events). Those matches against Serral seem to have given TY confidence—he recently said he thinks he has a 50:50 chance against Serral come GSL vs. The World.

If the brackets break correctly for TY, GSL vs. The World has the makings of being a weird, reverse-order boss-run. If he can edge out a victory against Serral in the first round, everything that follows would seem easier in comparison.



Credits and acknowledgements

Written by: Destructicon, Orlok, TheOneAboveU, Ziggy, and Wax.
Images: AfreecaTV

Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
August 14 2019 02:00 GMT
#2
So no one predicted Serral? Looks like he will win another one
Should be some good series either way.
Special Tactics
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 14 2019 02:06 GMT
#3
Dark and Classic generally perform so damn good in korean events, I'd agree with putting them as favourites. Really should have been the latest Code S finals, maybe even the season 1 finals had Dark been on the other side of the bracket.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19263 Posts
August 14 2019 02:14 GMT
#4
No Stats in the finals? Stats vs Classic is extremely likely and my first pick, huh Stats vs Serral rematch could happen too. This is gonna be great!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 14 2019 02:15 GMT
#5
A much more interesting read than large year's Blizzcon preview where almost everyone predicted basically the same bracket. TIME seems pretty overhyped though given that all the hype comes from one series against Serral, and that soO has won the last five series he's played against TIME, still has a pretty good ZvT record despite his recent struggles, and plays nothing like Serral.
CreightonOlsen
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
United States366 Posts
August 14 2019 03:10 GMT
#6
I know I have a reputation for generally being unreasonably excited, but holy shit I am unreasonably excited for this tournament. Every round is well-balanced, with potential for upsets and steamrolls alike. I don't want to miss a single second here, as this tournament is pregnant with promise. Amazing stuff - see y'all on the other side!
https://www.twitch.tv/CreightonOlsen
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
August 14 2019 03:16 GMT
#7
I'm predicting it will be Maru vs Serral but it's possible both get eliminated in the first round.
Fireklaw
Profile Joined July 2019
16 Posts
August 14 2019 03:26 GMT
#8
I find it Interesting how many people are favoring time over soo. Yeah he gave Serral a run for his money but soo is no pushover.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 14 2019 03:45 GMT
#9
Yeah, but SoO hasn't been playing the sophisticated tech zerg that other top kr and non korean zergs are using, he is still relying on roach-ravanger and thus open to a lot more timing punches.

If he plays roach based zvt. I favor Time, if he plays queen-ling-bane-hydra I expect a SoO win.

Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 14 2019 04:02 GMT
#10
The predictions for Maru Stats are 4:1 in favor of Maru... Am I the only one who feels like his TvP in GSLs is about 40 tiers higher than his TvP in non-GSLs? I can't remember a win of note in the matchup outside of a GSL since IEM Katowice last year against sOs.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 14 2019 04:47 GMT
#11
i think serral got really unlucky with his draw. i could see him getting eliminated by TY in the first round but i hope that does not happen! looks to be an amazing event
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
Meeii
Profile Joined July 2015
155 Posts
August 14 2019 05:00 GMT
#12
Funny read but Status should win against Maru in "In Which We Tell You Not to Have Fun" so we destroy all hype instantly and later on get a PvP final.
Kanata
Profile Joined June 2019
China8 Posts
August 14 2019 05:09 GMT
#13
Very interesting predictions. Can I do a Chinese translation and upload it on the Chinese community website? I will quote the original url. Thank you, TL!
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
August 14 2019 05:09 GMT
#14
yal fuckers will be surprised when Neeb wins it all.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
August 14 2019 05:15 GMT
#15
My money is on Serral. If he is having an on-day I think he will crush every opponent.
punnyjunior
Profile Joined August 2019
5 Posts
August 14 2019 05:31 GMT
#16
On August 14 2019 13:02 Boggyb wrote:
The predictions for Maru Stats are 4:1 in favor of Maru... Am I the only one who feels like his TvP in GSLs is about 40 tiers higher than his TvP in non-GSLs? I can't remember a win of note in the matchup outside of a GSL since IEM Katowice last year against sOs.


the match situation is basically the same as Gsl. ( got Weeks to prep )

however if i was maru or stats i wouldn't even try hard in this,

there is nothing to gain and they will have to play each other again in Gsl ro 16.
DARKING
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Mexico674 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 05:52:30
August 14 2019 05:50 GMT
#17
Why are most counting on TIME beating SoO? soO it's gonna wipe the floor with TIME.
LiquipediaMexican Liquipedia staff and Terran player. I tweet things @DARKING665.
DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany323 Posts
August 14 2019 06:19 GMT
#18
On August 14 2019 14:31 punnyjunior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 13:02 Boggyb wrote:
The predictions for Maru Stats are 4:1 in favor of Maru... Am I the only one who feels like his TvP in GSLs is about 40 tiers higher than his TvP in non-GSLs? I can't remember a win of note in the matchup outside of a GSL since IEM Katowice last year against sOs.


the match situation is basically the same as Gsl. ( got Weeks to prep )

however if i was maru or stats i wouldn't even try hard in this,

there is nothing to gain and they will have to play each other again in Gsl ro 16.



If ~25 000 Dollar means "it's nothing to gain", THEN ur right.... :D
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
August 14 2019 06:31 GMT
#19
On August 14 2019 14:15 MockHamill wrote:
My money is on Serral. If he is having an on-day I think he will crush every opponent.

dude getting bodied by mary in the final and noonius and xeion to da suicide watch is how you make the WET dream match
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
August 14 2019 06:32 GMT
#20
Stats / TY in finals
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
rtomic
Profile Joined September 2015
40 Posts
August 14 2019 07:52 GMT
#21
Liking Wax's prediction, TY won't cast much this season :D
KT FlaSh
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 08:15:28
August 14 2019 08:06 GMT
#22
Damn, this made me want to do a prediction too... so here we go:

(Z)Dark 1-3 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 1-3 (T)TIME
(T)Maru 1-3 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-2 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 3-1 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-0 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 1-3 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 2-3 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Elazer 0-3 (T)TIME
(P)Stats 3-2 (P)Neeb
(Z)Serral 3-1 (P)Trap
(Z)Reynor 3-1 (T)FanTaSy

(T)TIME 1-3 (P)Stats
(Z)Serral 3-1 (Z)Reynor

(P)Stats 3-4 (Z)Serral

Some things are wishful thinking tho, like Dark losing to Elazer who doesn't even have the best ZvZ in EU. I'd love Showtime to win against Neeb but he recently didn't look too good which is a little sad since he had such a fantastic form after his HSC injury. Fantasy winning against Classic is something I can see happen though. In the end, I'm expecting another edition of Stats vs Serral.

From TL's prediction I think Wax's is looking the most fun, but I REALLY doubt we will see a TvT final.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 14 2019 08:37 GMT
#23
I love TIME and always root for him, having a Chinese top player would be so great for the scene too. But right now, after asus rog, he is a bit overhyped imo.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12899 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 08:42:39
August 14 2019 08:40 GMT
#24
Why so many put Maru ahead of Stats?

The balance patch hits after the tournament, the 15th patch is war chest and bug fixes. Stats beat Maru on stream very recently.

I don’t understand either why so many put TIME ahead of soO, one good series against Serral doesn’t mean he will suddenly win matches he is not the favorite in. I highly doubt he’ll get past soO in bo5.

Other than that the predictions seem plausible
WriterMaru
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 14 2019 08:43 GMT
#25
On August 14 2019 17:37 Musicus wrote:
I love TIME and always root for him, having a Chinese top player would be so great for the scene too. But right now, after asus rog, he is a bit overhyped imo.

Well, he's playing against soO. Do you say that many of us thinking that TIME will win against soO makes him overrated? soO certainly isn't to be underrated, however he lately showed a lot of questionable games, but more so in ZvP and ZvZ I guess.
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
August 14 2019 08:45 GMT
#26
As a fan of TY and Serral, I'm not sure if I should be glad or sad...
Also rooting for Showtime and Classic. Think of it, this may be one of the last tournaments for Classic, how brilliant it would be for him to win and have a nice send-off to the army.
Omit needles swords.
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
August 14 2019 08:47 GMT
#27
Stats vs Serral finish, and Stats 4-3 Serral.
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 14 2019 08:52 GMT
#28
On August 14 2019 17:43 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 17:37 Musicus wrote:
I love TIME and always root for him, having a Chinese top player would be so great for the scene too. But right now, after asus rog, he is a bit overhyped imo.

Well, he's playing against soO. Do you say that many of us thinking that TIME will win against soO makes him overrated?

Yeah I do, compared to Serral, soO and all the Koreans so know TIME very well. And soO can show weak games and still be the best player in the world the next day and win IEM katowice. TIME is great, but still "just" a ro8 WCS player and not a "good chance he makes the final" player like soO.

I hope TIME wins for the hype and if it happens it's not a big surprise, but I don't think it makes sense to predict a win for him here.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 10:08:20
August 14 2019 08:53 GMT
#29
Maru seems to be incredibly overrated atm.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
August 14 2019 09:06 GMT
#30
On August 14 2019 17:53 Z3nith wrote:
Mary seems to be incredibly overrated atm.

who?
Faker is the GOAT!
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 09:20:32
August 14 2019 09:19 GMT
#31
I don't know what tournaments you people watch where 80% of the games are 3-2

Also soO 3 - 0 Time
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
August 14 2019 09:46 GMT
#32
On August 14 2019 17:52 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 17:43 HolydaKing wrote:
On August 14 2019 17:37 Musicus wrote:
I love TIME and always root for him, having a Chinese top player would be so great for the scene too. But right now, after asus rog, he is a bit overhyped imo.

Well, he's playing against soO. Do you say that many of us thinking that TIME will win against soO makes him overrated?

Yeah I do, compared to Serral, soO and all the Koreans so know TIME very well. And soO can show weak games and still be the best player in the world the next day and win IEM katowice. TIME is great, but still "just" a ro8 WCS player and not a "good chance he makes the final" player like soO.

I hope TIME wins for the hype and if it happens it's not a big surprise, but I don't think it makes sense to predict a win for him here.


soO hasn't been in "good chance he makes the final" form for a while. That can always change at any point, but I don't think it's too outlandish to give TIME a good chance here.

On paper, it's still probably quite soO favoured but I don't like the idea that predicting TIME to win doesn't make sense. The whole point of predictions is to add a little flair, a little personal bias etc. If we all based our predictions on what is most statistically likely, would what be the point of predictions? Everyone would have the same one.

TIME still has a lot to prove in terms of results. But it's much more fun to predict the rise/upset rather than predict "predictably" until someone has proven themselves, and then you start predicting them to win. It reminds me the last GSL vs The World where people thought Serral would get smashed by Innovation and Dark because he had yet to do it, you can't blame people for thinking that but that's a bland way of predicting up-and-comers. People have seen some inspired play by TIME and have some faith that it might manifest itself into a victory. Even if the odds are against him, that sort of prediction makes a lot of sense to me.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4016 Posts
August 14 2019 10:14 GMT
#33
Ofc we'll see Stats in the finals. What is wrong with all of you?
Drone is a way of living
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 14 2019 10:19 GMT
#34
Wax takes the trophy with that preview, with Ziggy as a close second for a sobering text.

This is going to be so hype!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 14 2019 10:29 GMT
#35
On August 14 2019 18:19 Need wrote:
I don't know what tournaments you people watch where 80% of the games are 3-2

Also soO 3 - 0 Time


I mean, we could've been boring and not done score predictions, like this Wax-guy, but hoping for lots of close 3:2's isn't a crime.

Dark must crush TIME, he's the villian in the story. soO is too nice to sign SC2's death warrant by eliminating the Chinese.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
dalaiisc2
Profile Joined May 2016
18 Posts
August 14 2019 10:46 GMT
#36
maru wont win against stats lol.this will be another serral vs stats final
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
August 14 2019 11:21 GMT
#37
*tips hat to TheOneAboveU even if he made me laugh in the office, which is just not done*
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
emperorofwild
Profile Joined July 2019
87 Posts
August 14 2019 12:21 GMT
#38
Soo will destroy TIME. Soo is IEM winner.
Which world player can make to quaterfinnal in IEM? Now you think Time can beat Soo?
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
August 14 2019 12:27 GMT
#39
I would be very surprised to see soo losing to time as most people are predicting
Progamer
midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
August 14 2019 12:45 GMT
#40
Am i the only one, who laughed so hard at this piece? I really root for GiantGabe to prove him right with this quote!

In the final foreigner vs Korea match of the first round, HeroMarine scores a huge upset over Code S runner-up Trap, proving the superiority of EPS over Code S once more (the following week, he presents his two map losses as proof of Protoss imbalance on his stream)
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12899 Posts
August 14 2019 12:55 GMT
#41
On August 14 2019 21:45 midhigh wrote:
Am i the only one, who laughed so hard at this piece? I really root for GiantGabe to prove him right with this quote!

Show nested quote +
In the final foreigner vs Korea match of the first round, HeroMarine scores a huge upset over Code S runner-up Trap, proving the superiority of EPS over Code S once more (the following week, he presents his two map losses as proof of Protoss imbalance on his stream)

That made me read the entire piece, and the joke about DongRaeGu handing military apparel to his teammate made me read DRG's history on liquipedia, heck I remembered he was a top zerg especially in ZvT back in the days, but I forgot he actually won code S.
WriterMaru
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 13:43:13
August 14 2019 13:43 GMT
#42
Trap seems to be pretty underestimated, if TY takes Serral then I believe Trap has a chance.

I would love for Serral, Reynor or Maru to shine here but I feel Stats/Classic.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Syn Harvest
Profile Joined July 2012
United States191 Posts
August 14 2019 13:55 GMT
#43
Nice predictions. Everyone except wax at least is a possibility. I like TY and he is definitely good but c'mon. Wax you have him predicted to beat the best Zerg player in the world, best Terran player in the World, and 2 of the top 3 Protoss players in the world. That's just not realistic.
Open your heart and embrace the darkness
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
August 14 2019 13:59 GMT
#44
You know that Maru is a god when winning a bo3 against him legitimizes you to win the entire tournament.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
SuperFLY1
Profile Joined August 2019
5 Posts
August 14 2019 14:02 GMT
#45
I love how everyone is sleeping on Neeb. I understand things are based on performances but Neeb is honestly one run away from being extremely dominate again.

Prediction: Neeb vs soO
Neeb wins 4:3
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 14 2019 14:04 GMT
#46
On August 14 2019 23:02 SuperFLY1 wrote:
I love how everyone is sleeping on Neeb. I understand things are based on performances but Neeb is honestly one run away from being extremely dominate again.

Prediction: Neeb vs soO
Neeb wins 4:3


But Neeb and soO are on the same side of the bracket, they won't play a Bo7! :O
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25676 Posts
August 14 2019 14:15 GMT
#47
Maru has to deliver close to his best at one of these the odd time right?

Last time he played Stats in the first round of a tournament he brought some mech goodness that he’d obviously been preparing in-house, and rather well. Curious what to see what he brings this time around.

Apparently, although I haven’t seen the games because WCG is as well organised as my life he also has some pretty nasty new lategame ZvT tricks up his sleeve that Reynor couldn’t find an answer too.

Pretty damn pumped for this tournament, feels that half the field could plausibly win it depending on form and how the brackets shape up.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
August 14 2019 14:54 GMT
#48
On August 14 2019 17:53 Z3nith wrote:
Maru seems to be incredibly overrated atm.


100% agree
SuperFLY1
Profile Joined August 2019
5 Posts
August 14 2019 15:01 GMT
#49
On August 14 2019 23:04 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2019 23:02 SuperFLY1 wrote:
I love how everyone is sleeping on Neeb. I understand things are based on performances but Neeb is honestly one run away from being extremely dominate again.

Prediction: Neeb vs soO
Neeb wins 4:3


But Neeb and soO are on the same side of the bracket, they won't play a Bo7! :O



Wow i must be tired. Still stand by my Neeb predictions but now its 4:3 over Serral
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10177 Posts
August 14 2019 15:04 GMT
#50
Ziggy on point.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
August 14 2019 15:20 GMT
#51
I sure am 100% on board with The Sun rising again. It's about time he won a domestic title. TY fighting~
Mine gas, build tanks.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
August 14 2019 15:23 GMT
#52
On August 14 2019 14:50 DARKING wrote:
Why are most counting on TIME beating SoO? soO it's gonna wipe the floor with TIME.

Probably the sum of soO not having the best form right now and TIME showing good results/major improvement overall.

I do still agree that soO should be favored on paper at least
Mine gas, build tanks.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13978 Posts
August 14 2019 15:38 GMT
#53
My bracket would have been titled
Stats v Serral: Woke
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 16:51:28
August 14 2019 16:36 GMT
#54
Hmm, liquipedia says that for the team match the format is the same as the previous year, except the ace match if necessary: it's not between Dark and Serral by default, but between randomly chosen players.
Or have we quite given up on the team match as it is?
Omit needles swords.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17677 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 17:09:10
August 14 2019 17:08 GMT
#55
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17677 Posts
August 14 2019 17:17 GMT
#56
On August 14 2019 17:40 Poopi wrote:
Why so many put Maru ahead of Stats?

The balance patch hits after the tournament, the 15th patch is war chest and bug fixes. Stats beat Maru on stream very recently.

I don’t understand either why so many put TIME ahead of soO, one good series against Serral doesn’t mean he will suddenly win matches he is not the favorite in. I highly doubt he’ll get past soO in bo5.

Other than that the predictions seem plausible

shit I thought the balance patch was gonna be before this tournament, I was so excited
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 17:25:08
August 14 2019 17:23 GMT
#57
On August 14 2019 22:55 Syn Harvest wrote:
Nice predictions. Everyone except wax at least is a possibility. I like TY and he is definitely good but c'mon. Wax you have him predicted to beat the best Zerg player in the world, best Terran player in the World, and 2 of the top 3 Protoss players in the world. That's just not realistic.

Does any championship run really sound realistic when you put it in such abstract terms? TY is also a top 3 player of his race (and by consensus the best TvT player in the world), none of those wins are out of his reach individually. This chain of wins is not likely enough to make anyone bet on it. But I also don't see Maru vs Classic finals with Classic winning as realistic.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
August 14 2019 17:33 GMT
#58
On August 15 2019 02:08 Die4Ever wrote:
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao



literally on point. Only prediction 100% accurate
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51491 Posts
August 14 2019 17:54 GMT
#59
I do agree that the series vs TY is a very very tough one for him, however i also feel that so could Maru bow out round 1 to a very inform Stats right now. Will be very intriguing this first round of the bracket.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Mountain_Lee
Profile Joined January 2018
87 Posts
August 14 2019 17:58 GMT
#60
On August 14 2019 17:37 Musicus wrote:
I love TIME and always root for him, having a Chinese top player would be so great for the scene too. But right now, after asus rog, he is a bit overhyped imo.


I've watched his live stream after rog, he communicated with fans, and obviously he became much more mature.

I do believe he will be well prepared today, and don't be shocked imo.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
August 14 2019 18:49 GMT
#61
Seems like I get more excited for each passing tournament. Sad to see the TY/Serral and Maru/Stats so early. Hoping for a Maru vs Serral final just so that narrative can finally end lol.

There’s not a single boring Ro16 match. So hype even though I’m gonna have to force my impatient self to not check the scores so I can watch VODs when I wake up due to this taking place in the middle of the night for me.

WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 19:15:30
August 14 2019 19:15 GMT
#62
On August 15 2019 02:08 Die4Ever wrote:
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao

Yeah this was great stuff, props to the writer it elicited a hearty chuckle
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 14 2019 19:20 GMT
#63
On August 15 2019 04:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 02:08 Die4Ever wrote:
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao

Yeah this was great stuff, props to the writer it elicited a hearty chuckle

The hearty chuckles are what I do this for.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25676 Posts
August 14 2019 19:22 GMT
#64
On August 15 2019 04:20 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 04:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 15 2019 02:08 Die4Ever wrote:
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao

Yeah this was great stuff, props to the writer it elicited a hearty chuckle

The hearty chuckles are what I do this for.

Lies, you do it for the huge TL writers salary.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 14 2019 19:28 GMT
#65
On August 15 2019 04:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 04:20 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On August 15 2019 04:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 15 2019 02:08 Die4Ever wrote:
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao

Yeah this was great stuff, props to the writer it elicited a hearty chuckle

The hearty chuckles are what I do this for.

Lies, you do it for the huge TL writers salary.

That audacity made me spit out my daily evening champagne, how dare you?!
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25676 Posts
August 14 2019 19:32 GMT
#66
On August 15 2019 04:28 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 04:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 15 2019 04:20 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On August 15 2019 04:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 15 2019 02:08 Die4Ever wrote:
"Maynade's post-match speech hyping Serral goes on for so long we actually miss Classic vs Reynor"

"The final audio is Maynarde, who still hasn't finished praising Serral from two days ago."

lmao

Yeah this was great stuff, props to the writer it elicited a hearty chuckle

The hearty chuckles are what I do this for.

Lies, you do it for the huge TL writers salary.

That audacity made me spit out my daily evening champagne, how dare you?!

An expensive spit indeed, especially with all that caviar too
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 19:35:47
August 14 2019 19:35 GMT
#67
On August 14 2019 22:55 Syn Harvest wrote:
Nice predictions. Everyone except wax at least is a possibility. I like TY and he is definitely good but c'mon. Wax you have him predicted to beat the best Zerg player in the world, best Terran player in the World, and 2 of the top 3 Protoss players in the world. That's just not realistic.

Well TY is the second best terran, so having him beat the #3 and #2 best protoss is not outlandish. And Serral might be the best zerg, but isn't close to being the best ZvT player.

TY vs Maru is 50/50, usually I'd only favour Maru over TY in terms of championship mentality. But even then it's a weekender so I wouldn't expect either to win.

Fun fact: since the start of 2017 every time Maru and TY have played it's gone to the ace match
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
August 14 2019 20:53 GMT
#68
the worst thing that can happen is that right before a huge buff to Terran timings Terran kills a lot of folks with marine tank timings. The next worse thing that could happen is that right before a nerf to zergs best defense against BCs Terran wins a ton of games with BC rushes.

So I present, the worst bracket

(Z)Dark 3-1 (Z)Elazer
(Z)soO 2-3 (T)TIME
(T)Maru 3-2 (P)Stats
(P)Neeb 3-2 (P)ShoWTimE
(Z)Serral 2-3 (T)TY
(P)Trap 3-0 (T)HeRoMaRinE
(T)SpeCial 3-1 (Z)Reynor
(P)Classic 2-3 (T)FanTaSy

(Z)Dark 2-3 (T)TIME
(T)Maru 3-0 (P)Neeb
(T)TY 3-1 (P)Trap
(T)SpeCial 3-2 (T)FanTaSy

(T)TIME 1-3 (T)Maru
(T)TY 3-1 (T)SpeCial

(T)Maru 2-3 (T)TY


The least likely parts of this are Fantasy beating Classic and Time’s deep run. My explanation is that I really liked Times play at ASUS Rog and that Fantasy is going to return to form any day now. I think the rest is all pretty likely.
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 22:56:11
August 14 2019 22:55 GMT
#69
Serral has to be a heavy favorite based on meta alone... I don't like toss vs Serral (or even Dark) ATM and I don't like any Terran vs Classic/Stats/Trap in a bo7. Even if you ignore current meta, Serral crushes these weekend tournaments more consistently than any other player so...

Also in B4 soO stomps Time 3-0. He got pretty lucky vs Serral and people are making too much of one series.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
August 14 2019 23:25 GMT
#70
On August 14 2019 23:02 SuperFLY1 wrote:
I love how everyone is sleeping on Neeb. I understand things are based on performances but Neeb is honestly one run away from being extremely dominate again.

Prediction: Neeb vs soO
Neeb wins 4:3

Neeb is the 3rd beat WCS Circuit player but he hasn't looked dominant in any match up and he hasn't beaten a Korean since March 2nd. While I would like to see him do well, there is absolutely no reason to think he goes further than the ro8.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
August 15 2019 00:28 GMT
#71
Are we expecting the games to start soon after the stream or do people think there will be a lot of pre-game stuff? Deciding whether it'll be worth it to watch before bed
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
GalacticFox
Profile Joined March 2019
15 Posts
August 15 2019 01:02 GMT
#72
Having watched TIME vs Serral, I'd favour TY advancing. Serral showed weakness when he played against TIME's aggressive style and you can be darn sure TIME will discuss his loss against Serral when he meets TY on ladder.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 15 2019 08:29 GMT
#73
Well, Elazer just ruined everyone's predicted timelines.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
August 15 2019 08:33 GMT
#74
On August 15 2019 17:29 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Well, Elazer just ruined everyone's predicted timelines.

seriously. what a crazy upset. anything can happen at this point and i would not be surprised.
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
luOrb
Profile Joined August 2019
China6 Posts
August 15 2019 08:48 GMT
#75
TIME go go go
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 15 2019 08:54 GMT
#76
On August 15 2019 17:29 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Well, Elazer just ruined everyone's predicted timelines.

Not mine, but I'm sure Classic will ruin mine, if not someone else earlier.
lepricon1992
Profile Joined July 2019
96 Posts
August 15 2019 09:01 GMT
#77
lol ez win for TIME
Syn Harvest
Profile Joined July 2012
United States191 Posts
August 15 2019 09:03 GMT
#78
On August 15 2019 17:33 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 17:29 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Well, Elazer just ruined everyone's predicted timelines.

seriously. what a crazy upset. anything can happen at this point and i would not be surprised.


I don't really see it as an upset. I think the EU Zergs are better at ZvZ than KR Zergs
Open your heart and embrace the darkness
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
August 15 2019 09:55 GMT
#79
Things are looking good for Protoss with soO slumping and sent instead of Rogue/Solar, Fantasy sent instead of Innovation/Cure/Gumiho. Meanwhile Korea sends 3 of their top Protoss.

Then the 2 good Terrans at the event are drawn vs their hardest opponants (dark would have been hard for them too).
Dark is given ZvZ vs EU zerg
Classic & Trap get easy match-ups
The 2 ~weaker protosses are drawn vs each other guaranteeing one goes through.

It reminds me a bit of Asus ROG where Protoss sent their more of their best and less of their worst and got to sucseed through that.
Now the draw helps them.

I hope it doesn't lead to balance complaining since balance is pretty good and Protoss had been winning less before ROG.
machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States291 Posts
August 15 2019 10:22 GMT
#80
All brackets destroyed in one match!
ChinClassic
Profile Joined January 2019
19 Posts
August 15 2019 10:24 GMT
#81
KR Zergs are really bad at ZvZ. Elazer alone destroyed all these efforts LMAO.
quis custodiet ipsos custodes
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-15 11:48:21
August 15 2019 11:47 GMT
#82
So Top4 EU Zerg > No1 KR Zerg in ZvZ?
Lambo has been right al along
MaxPax
bulya2561
Profile Joined July 2019
1 Post
August 15 2019 12:13 GMT
#83
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
August 15 2019 12:30 GMT
#84
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
August 15 2019 12:41 GMT
#85
wtf soO Maru
Miralem Ibrahim
Profile Joined April 2019
40 Posts
August 15 2019 12:50 GMT
#86
On August 15 2019 21:30 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.



Foreigner ZvZ > Korean ZvZ. From almost 2 year now. And PvP is a very unpredictable match up so I think that was very hard to predict the result of those match up.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-15 13:14:21
August 15 2019 13:13 GMT
#87
On August 15 2019 21:50 Miralem Ibrahim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 21:30 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.



Foreigner ZvZ > Korean ZvZ. From almost 2 year now. And PvP is a very unpredictable match up so I think that was very hard to predict the result of those match up.

Idk if it has been 2 years, and even though I agree that at least the European top ZvZ players are stronger than the korean ones are, Dark losing to Elazer was not easy to predict. Elazer while good, is not on the level of Serral or Reynor in ZvZ.
Miralem Ibrahim
Profile Joined April 2019
40 Posts
August 15 2019 13:56 GMT
#88
On August 15 2019 22:13 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 21:50 Miralem Ibrahim wrote:
On August 15 2019 21:30 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.



Foreigner ZvZ > Korean ZvZ. From almost 2 year now. And PvP is a very unpredictable match up so I think that was very hard to predict the result of those match up.

Idk if it has been 2 years, and even though I agree that at least the European top ZvZ players are stronger than the korean ones are, Dark losing to Elazer was not easy to predict. Elazer while good, is not on the level of Serral or Reynor in ZvZ.


I always sayed Elazer had his chance against Dark this the best match he can have in this tournament I think. He has alway been very good in ZvZ and he defaited Solar in HSC. I don't thought he had any chance in a best of 5 against someone like Stats or TY for exemple but in ZvZ against a Korean zerg imo he had a chance.

XiZeL
Profile Joined July 2014
Switzerland92 Posts
August 15 2019 14:22 GMT
#89
loved the write up from @TheOneAboveU

thank you
I watch more starcraft than i play it
Doink
Profile Joined April 2017
75 Posts
August 15 2019 16:57 GMT
#90
Maru disappointing like always. He'll keep dodging Serral forever.
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
August 16 2019 06:02 GMT
#91
On August 15 2019 21:30 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.


I didn't made an account to post it. I posted it from work so I was probably logged in with my Reddit account rather then my main account on TL.

I wrote that because when I read it on Wednesday I was very surprised that nobody treated the Dark vs Elazer match as one that Elazer can win. Considering all the previous times Dark was knocked out of such an event (Blizzcon or GSL vs The World) was by a zerg player, and many times a foreign Zerg. Yes, that foreign Zerg was usually Serral, but Elazer did it as well in 2017.

On top of that most of the writers were quite certain that Stats doesn't have a chance vs Maru, or at least bet against Stats, even though Maru didn't really show anything good in recent times while Stats won the tournament in Finland just recently, and on top of that last year was the one who knocked Maru out of GSL vs The World. Another factor in favor of Stats was that he is in Maru's group in GSL, and I think in a TvP the Terran player has more to hide regarding his preparations, so not the best Maru would have showed up no matter what. All these arguments in total made me think from the get go that Stats is the favorite in that match.

With the other 2 the bets of the writers were going both ways and most of the betters got a single correct prediction by predicting correctly one of them. I was favoring Showtime in the PvP, but I didn't count out Neeb, so I'm not surprised I wasn't correct on this one.

With Time vs soO I didn't even have a prediction simply because I don't know Time's current form enough, all I knew was that its quite good based on his match vs Serral in Finland, while soO's form isn't great at all as he was knocked out of GSL season 3 in the RO32 and probably didn't take his preparations that seriously. Not having an idea of what form they are I could bet only based of my heart which said Time (I'm not a Time fan, but most times I'm in favor of the foreigner when it comes to KR vs foreigner, there are exceptions to it though), but I don't consider it as a correct bet as all I had is my heart there.

So its 2 correct bets out of 3 for me on Yesterday.

If you want some bets ahead of time, then I bet against all the Terrans today. I think I will be correct with at least 3 of these bets, but I agree that today's matches are easier to predict as Trap and Classic are very bold favorites, unlike yesterday's games where no match had such a clear favorite. There were favorites like Stats as I said, but not as clear as Trap and Classic today.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
August 17 2019 02:42 GMT
#92
On August 16 2019 15:02 bulya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 21:30 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.


I didn't made an account to post it. I posted it from work so I was probably logged in with my Reddit account rather then my main account on TL.

I wrote that because when I read it on Wednesday I was very surprised that nobody treated the Dark vs Elazer match as one that Elazer can win. Considering all the previous times Dark was knocked out of such an event (Blizzcon or GSL vs The World) was by a zerg player, and many times a foreign Zerg. Yes, that foreign Zerg was usually Serral, but Elazer did it as well in 2017.

On top of that most of the writers were quite certain that Stats doesn't have a chance vs Maru, or at least bet against Stats, even though Maru didn't really show anything good in recent times while Stats won the tournament in Finland just recently, and on top of that last year was the one who knocked Maru out of GSL vs The World. Another factor in favor of Stats was that he is in Maru's group in GSL, and I think in a TvP the Terran player has more to hide regarding his preparations, so not the best Maru would have showed up no matter what. All these arguments in total made me think from the get go that Stats is the favorite in that match.

With the other 2 the bets of the writers were going both ways and most of the betters got a single correct prediction by predicting correctly one of them. I was favoring Showtime in the PvP, but I didn't count out Neeb, so I'm not surprised I wasn't correct on this one.

With Time vs soO I didn't even have a prediction simply because I don't know Time's current form enough, all I knew was that its quite good based on his match vs Serral in Finland, while soO's form isn't great at all as he was knocked out of GSL season 3 in the RO32 and probably didn't take his preparations that seriously. Not having an idea of what form they are I could bet only based of my heart which said Time (I'm not a Time fan, but most times I'm in favor of the foreigner when it comes to KR vs foreigner, there are exceptions to it though), but I don't consider it as a correct bet as all I had is my heart there.

So its 2 correct bets out of 3 for me on Yesterday.

If you want some bets ahead of time, then I bet against all the Terrans today. I think I will be correct with at least 3 of these bets, but I agree that today's matches are easier to predict as Trap and Classic are very bold favorites, unlike yesterday's games where no match had such a clear favorite. There were favorites like Stats as I said, but not as clear as Trap and Classic today.

someone get this guy TL+. hell, fire all the TL staff and just use this guy. as he pointed out he's incredibly smart and good at predictions. while we're here do you have any lottery picks for me? i could use a big win
TL+ Member
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10177 Posts
August 17 2019 03:07 GMT
#93
On August 17 2019 11:42 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2019 15:02 bulya wrote:
On August 15 2019 21:30 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On August 15 2019 21:13 bulya2561 wrote:
5 predictions in the preview, and only 1 got 2 out of 4 correct winners.
The others got only a single correct winner.

Even coin flips do better then that.

You made an account to post that? Really? But okay, I'll bite.
I don't think a majority of people expected Elazer winning vs. Dark, and Neeb vs. ShoWTimE was as close as possible (and both are a very reasonable pick to win here in my opinion). So yeah, not sure what you're getting at here.
If you're so much better than us at predictions, come and share yours beforehand next time.


I didn't made an account to post it. I posted it from work so I was probably logged in with my Reddit account rather then my main account on TL.

I wrote that because when I read it on Wednesday I was very surprised that nobody treated the Dark vs Elazer match as one that Elazer can win. Considering all the previous times Dark was knocked out of such an event (Blizzcon or GSL vs The World) was by a zerg player, and many times a foreign Zerg. Yes, that foreign Zerg was usually Serral, but Elazer did it as well in 2017.

On top of that most of the writers were quite certain that Stats doesn't have a chance vs Maru, or at least bet against Stats, even though Maru didn't really show anything good in recent times while Stats won the tournament in Finland just recently, and on top of that last year was the one who knocked Maru out of GSL vs The World. Another factor in favor of Stats was that he is in Maru's group in GSL, and I think in a TvP the Terran player has more to hide regarding his preparations, so not the best Maru would have showed up no matter what. All these arguments in total made me think from the get go that Stats is the favorite in that match.

With the other 2 the bets of the writers were going both ways and most of the betters got a single correct prediction by predicting correctly one of them. I was favoring Showtime in the PvP, but I didn't count out Neeb, so I'm not surprised I wasn't correct on this one.

With Time vs soO I didn't even have a prediction simply because I don't know Time's current form enough, all I knew was that its quite good based on his match vs Serral in Finland, while soO's form isn't great at all as he was knocked out of GSL season 3 in the RO32 and probably didn't take his preparations that seriously. Not having an idea of what form they are I could bet only based of my heart which said Time (I'm not a Time fan, but most times I'm in favor of the foreigner when it comes to KR vs foreigner, there are exceptions to it though), but I don't consider it as a correct bet as all I had is my heart there.

So its 2 correct bets out of 3 for me on Yesterday.

If you want some bets ahead of time, then I bet against all the Terrans today. I think I will be correct with at least 3 of these bets, but I agree that today's matches are easier to predict as Trap and Classic are very bold favorites, unlike yesterday's games where no match had such a clear favorite. There were favorites like Stats as I said, but not as clear as Trap and Classic today.

someone get this guy TL+. hell, fire all the TL staff and just use this guy. as he pointed out he's incredibly smart and good at predictions. while we're here do you have any lottery picks for me? i could use a big win

Calm down fam LOL
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland936 Posts
August 17 2019 16:39 GMT
#94
RIP all them predictions. You tried your best.
WriterI shoot events. | http://www.jussi.co/esports
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
August 17 2019 17:19 GMT
#95
On August 18 2019 01:39 hexhaven wrote:
RIP all them predictions. You tried your best.


Well to be fair the predictions were more reasonable than what actually happened.
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
August 20 2019 04:32 GMT
#96
Those Brackets did not age well
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 299
JuggernautJason119
ProTech106
IndyStarCraft 63
Codebar 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21774
Bisu 1223
EffOrt 777
Mini 719
Soulkey 120
Larva 104
ggaemo 103
Aegong 36
Hyun 35
sas.Sziky 30
[ Show more ]
Shine 28
scan(afreeca) 16
Sexy 14
Dota 2
qojqva4613
Fuzer 164
League of Legends
Trikslyr62
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1221
fl0m1069
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu12
Other Games
gofns29414
tarik_tv28295
FrodaN1647
Beastyqt665
Hui .189
C9.Mang0101
ArmadaUGS92
QueenE62
mouzStarbuck45
NeuroSwarm36
Sick33
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 1
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki18
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4160
• WagamamaTV649
League of Legends
• Nemesis3340
• TFBlade752
Other Games
• imaqtpie541
• Shiphtur229
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
15h 42m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
16h 42m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 8h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 13h
RSL Revival
1d 15h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.