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On June 14 2019 02:35 Proko wrote:
I don't think the math for him going to Korea really works. You can stay in Europe win every tournament and be comfortable at home, or you can go to Korea and play an entire GSL and probably make less money while being in a foreign place for a long time.
He can do a GSL and still play all the big europe tournaments so I don't see how he would lose money. Unless he didn't didn't qualify for GSL which seems extremely unlikely
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On June 13 2019 19:04 Xain0n wrote:
Code S S3 qualifiers are scheduled the week before HSC, I don't think Serral is going to participate, unfortunately.
He did not dismiss the idea completely, in any of case.
This dream scenario needs to happen because everyone wants to see it. I would think since his brother is there right. now it’d be actually was to convince him to give it a shot. Imagine if we could get him Reynor Neeb SpeCial and Scarlett to play in the same GSL. How sick would that season be for all the Circuit fans ? 😄
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I love Serral interviews. Thanks, Wax  .
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I read it with Serral's voice and I just realized it
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He should get paid a salary to compete in GSL just for the excitement factor and the long term health of the competitive scene.
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Serral should just grind few years (still many years left of his prime) and then just make some lucrative deal and move temporarily to Korea for familiarizing to the culture there, concentrate fully to few GSL seasons, and promote the game.
Dilemma is that he should do something like that already considering the future horror-scenarios of the game.
He has already enough high status (and enough money) he could even himself directly make some impact how the scene evolves further, for example organizing/sponsoring invitational international tournament(s) as it would probably be relatively easy to get some sponsor funding for such endeavours. After late presidential state visit of the President of South Korea and all that co-operative hype, declarations, new business deals and encouragements of iniatives, student change proposals etc. it doesn't take too much imagination to think that Joona Sotala could very well act in a role of some sort of ambassador for common cause with adequate back upping from relevant high level instances of the Republic of Finland, or from relevant corporate organisations. But, nobody has apparently yet realized the real potential... Let's say for cultural exchange. 
For reference: https://www.presidentti.fi/en/news/president-of-the-republic-of-korea-moon-jae-in-visits-finland/
But you can't really blame him whatever his career decisions may be. Golf is certainly good for concentration.
Go Joona Go!
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For ensuring the continuation of SC2 it would be both commercially and "propagandistically" wise move to just buy Blizzard by Finnish-Korean consortium, and if that isn't possible atleast the Brand and rights of Starcraft.
Alternatively, it would be wise act from Blizzard board to concentrate some real business activities to Finland (and consequently to Europe). Why obvious things doesn't occur in the minds of these business gurus of gaming, is beyond me.
Of course, if you don't invest for anything, you cannot get any profits from it. Backwoods farmer can say you so.
Why only profit, profit, profit, profit... until there are no such.
SC2 is the epithome of E-Sports. The Cradle. The Idea.
Finns can fix it, if allowed to do so.
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Its complex issue, granded. In Finland general publicity doesn't know about E-Sports, and Main media doesn't follow it. Joona was essentially the first to make it through the main medias. Its still marginal in the main Media coverage (Imagine some cultural exchange scenarios here). Do something about that, Finnish media!
Blizzard command fucks are the Gaming world's first fits to be changed. Let's just wait how their market value goes down. Enough low they can be purchased by general public fandom. (something the company isn't yet realized either, because it makes still some profit to the owners who cannot care less).
SC2 brand with active development simply cannot fail, with proper corporate leadership who also cater the need of fandomship. It simply cannot fail, not even in circumstances of rabid E-Sport consumerism.
It was the where it all started. It is the crown jewel. It is the ultimate competition.
Money and investments should pour to the SC-brand.
Idiots think otherwise.
Humanity prevailed only because those who were able to lit a fire, did so. International conflicts solved with SC2 are lot more healthy than...
Off topic to Joona. He can handle it.
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Finnish corporations (and Korean corporations) relevant to the sport (taken as a sense of market field) should understand that this golf playing, humble guy from Pornainen, who simply dominate his sports is enough valuable that he can enhance the global dynamics of his beloved sport. Did it already in the game-sphere.
Now, you all need to understand, its the question how WE ALL make those business XOs to understand we're watching the Sport in SC2. There in the Northern American markets its just the same, multiplied by the fandom.
@Finnish Media: We have Finnish Zerg Overlord to follow. DO SO! Coverage will fix some issues. It will also likely ensure the survival of the game.
Korean league (and media) will support these deeds, where ever you go Dear Supreme Zerg.
There are no other ways.
User was warned for this post
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Canada8989 Posts
What in the world are you talking about?
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@Nakajin: from the world of grounds of creep.
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@Papa Sotala
No fan wishes can overcome the strategy.
Follow the strategy. You're The Supreme Zerg. The Father of Serral.
Never allow any kind toxicity. Never let brothers and sisters go down only because of hopes of the fandom.
Father vs son ZvsZ VOD would be highly appreciated by the fandom. Streamed. :D
Joona can do a lot for good, honest, competitive, badass SC2!
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Thanks for the interview!
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On June 18 2019 04:14 UnLarva wrote:
For ensuring the continuation of SC2 it would be both commercially and "propagandistically" wise move to just buy Blizzard by Finnish-Korean consortium, and if that isn't possible atleast the Brand and rights of Starcraft.
Alternatively, it would be wise act from Blizzard board to concentrate some real business activities to Finland (and consequently to Europe). Why obvious things doesn't occur in the minds of these business gurus of gaming, is beyond me.
Of course, if you don't invest for anything, you cannot get any profits from it. Backwoods farmer can say you so.
Why only profit, profit, profit, profit... until there are no such.
SC2 is the epithome of E-Sports. The Cradle. The Idea.
Finns can fix it, if allowed to do so.
Are you joking here?
Finland has a minuscule population and I'm going to guess a weaker gaming culture than the regularl (higher populated) gaming countries
The business gurus of gaming know that Finland isn't a lucrative market relatively speaking.
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On June 21 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2019 04:14 UnLarva wrote:
For ensuring the continuation of SC2 it would be both commercially and "propagandistically" wise move to just buy Blizzard by Finnish-Korean consortium, and if that isn't possible atleast the Brand and rights of Starcraft.
Alternatively, it would be wise act from Blizzard board to concentrate some real business activities to Finland (and consequently to Europe). Why obvious things doesn't occur in the minds of these business gurus of gaming, is beyond me.
Of course, if you don't invest for anything, you cannot get any profits from it. Backwoods farmer can say you so.
Why only profit, profit, profit, profit... until there are no such.
SC2 is the epithome of E-Sports. The Cradle. The Idea.
Finns can fix it, if allowed to do so.
Are you joking here? Finland has a minuscule population and I'm going to guess a weaker gaming culture than the regularl (higher populated) gaming countries The business gurus of gaming know that Finland isn't a lucrative market relatively speaking.
Unfortunately I'm not joking there. When making above comments I wasn't aware of ASUS ROG Summer 2019 tournament. The reality made me eat my desperate words nearly immediately after.
However, I think you're wrong with that lucrative market -part. I think there is biggest (and most rabid)opportunity for growing the sport (both E-sports generally and SC2 specifically) in Finland currently.
Main media in Finland is the biggest obstacle as it is not yet familiarized enough well with E-sports to be capable to familiarize wider ranks of Finnish people to the sports and its current and future meaning in the global scenes, but otherwise Finland as a country is as ready for the 'Explosion' as a nation can be. This is also why I need swallow at least part of my own rants above. There are people who realize the potential. Its upon them how they can overcome the common prejudices toward E-sports in Finland, and that can happen only with extensive PR-policy, publicity activities, and proactive media relations.
Exactly the thing that have been the issue with SC2 due Blizzard's chosen long term publication policy. (not ready to go too much backward from my perceptions in this matter, yet).
Serral is the pioneer (at least in the eyes of main stream media followers) who can open entire new frontier for the masses, but he cannot do it in Finland without help from corporate operators, and or government support (I actually think they have a certain background role in the oncoming tournament).
I think that an euro put to that now would make a shit-load of euros later.
Go Serral Go!
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Canada8989 Posts
On June 21 2019 02:51 UnLarva wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 18 2019 04:14 UnLarva wrote:
For ensuring the continuation of SC2 it would be both commercially and "propagandistically" wise move to just buy Blizzard by Finnish-Korean consortium, and if that isn't possible atleast the Brand and rights of Starcraft.
Alternatively, it would be wise act from Blizzard board to concentrate some real business activities to Finland (and consequently to Europe). Why obvious things doesn't occur in the minds of these business gurus of gaming, is beyond me.
Of course, if you don't invest for anything, you cannot get any profits from it. Backwoods farmer can say you so.
Why only profit, profit, profit, profit... until there are no such.
SC2 is the epithome of E-Sports. The Cradle. The Idea.
Finns can fix it, if allowed to do so.
Are you joking here? Finland has a minuscule population and I'm going to guess a weaker gaming culture than the regularl (higher populated) gaming countries The business gurus of gaming know that Finland isn't a lucrative market relatively speaking. Unfortunately I'm not joking there. When making above comments I wasn't aware of ASUS ROG Summer 2019 tournament. The reality made me eat my desperate words nearly immediately after. However, I think you're wrong with that lucrative market -part. I think there is biggest (and most rabid)opportunity for growing the sport (both E-sports generally and SC2 specifically) in Finland currently. Main media in Finland is the biggest obstacle as it is not yet familiarized enough well with E-sports to be capable to familiarize wider ranks of Finnish people to the sports and its current and future meaning in the global scenes, but otherwise Finland as a country is as ready for the 'Explosion' as a nation can be. This is also why I need swallow at least part of my own rants above. There are people who realize the potential. Its upon them how they can overcome the common prejudices toward E-sports in Finland, and that can happen only with extensive PR-policy, publicity activities, and proactive media relations. Exactly the thing that have been the issue with SC2 due Blizzard's chosen long term publication policy. (not ready to go too much backward from my perceptions in this matter, yet). Serral is the pioneer (at least in the eyes of main stream media followers) who can open entire new frontier for the masses, but he cannot do it in Finland without help from corporate operators, and or government support (I actually think they have a certain background role in the oncoming tournament). I think that an euro put to that now would make a shit-load of euros later. Go Serral Go!
They announce a 20 000 usd tournament over a weekend, you are talking about a multi billions dollars byout...
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On June 21 2019 04:29 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 02:51 UnLarva wrote:On June 21 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 18 2019 04:14 UnLarva wrote:
For ensuring the continuation of SC2 it would be both commercially and "propagandistically" wise move to just buy Blizzard by Finnish-Korean consortium, and if that isn't possible atleast the Brand and rights of Starcraft.
Alternatively, it would be wise act from Blizzard board to concentrate some real business activities to Finland (and consequently to Europe). Why obvious things doesn't occur in the minds of these business gurus of gaming, is beyond me.
Of course, if you don't invest for anything, you cannot get any profits from it. Backwoods farmer can say you so.
Why only profit, profit, profit, profit... until there are no such.
SC2 is the epithome of E-Sports. The Cradle. The Idea.
Finns can fix it, if allowed to do so.
Are you joking here? Finland has a minuscule population and I'm going to guess a weaker gaming culture than the regularl (higher populated) gaming countries The business gurus of gaming know that Finland isn't a lucrative market relatively speaking. Unfortunately I'm not joking there. When making above comments I wasn't aware of ASUS ROG Summer 2019 tournament. The reality made me eat my desperate words nearly immediately after. However, I think you're wrong with that lucrative market -part. I think there is biggest (and most rabid)opportunity for growing the sport (both E-sports generally and SC2 specifically) in Finland currently. Main media in Finland is the biggest obstacle as it is not yet familiarized enough well with E-sports to be capable to familiarize wider ranks of Finnish people to the sports and its current and future meaning in the global scenes, but otherwise Finland as a country is as ready for the 'Explosion' as a nation can be. This is also why I need swallow at least part of my own rants above. There are people who realize the potential. Its upon them how they can overcome the common prejudices toward E-sports in Finland, and that can happen only with extensive PR-policy, publicity activities, and proactive media relations. Exactly the thing that have been the issue with SC2 due Blizzard's chosen long term publication policy. (not ready to go too much backward from my perceptions in this matter, yet). Serral is the pioneer (at least in the eyes of main stream media followers) who can open entire new frontier for the masses, but he cannot do it in Finland without help from corporate operators, and or government support (I actually think they have a certain background role in the oncoming tournament). I think that an euro put to that now would make a shit-load of euros later. Go Serral Go! They announce a 20 000 usd tournament over a weekend, you are talking about a multi billions dollars byout...
Yeah I was drunken, frustrated about the future of SC2, and making those comments BEFORE the announcement of the Asus Tournament 2019 at Helsinki.
However, considering how shortsighted and random the policy of Blizzard has been in their core market-cluster and with their best product I genuinely tend to think that overall longer term profits from the StarCraft brand would be much, much higher if the majority ownership of the company would be in the hands of somebody else than its current shareholder pool. Generally badly led company (leadership is tied by unwise decisions from uber-mercenary stake-holders). Its ok, if withdrawing assets from unsuccessful divisions and enterprises under severe competive environment, but its not OK when you have a brand that cannot fail if properly invested and developed.
I talk now about SC2 and its future. I couldn't care less about some random boom games that come and go. They come and go. SC2 isn't one of them. If it doesn't generate enough profits that is primarily because of how badly the division is led, and how ridiculously the company resources are distributed. The Brand cannot simply fail if there are any business sense at all directing and developing it with rational longer term plans.
It has been just a Q1 and Q3 thinking a while now. That doesn't make sense when the brand is to E-sports what Gillette is to blades.
Billion dollars was hastily gathered for a roof of a church for cultural conservation after unfortunate mishap, cultural conservation in the E-sports starts from StarCraft and not enough investment go to the product to prevent mishap.
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Canada8989 Posts
On June 21 2019 05:13 UnLarva wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2019 04:29 Nakajin wrote:On June 21 2019 02:51 UnLarva wrote:On June 21 2019 02:15 BerserkSword wrote:On June 18 2019 04:14 UnLarva wrote:
For ensuring the continuation of SC2 it would be both commercially and "propagandistically" wise move to just buy Blizzard by Finnish-Korean consortium, and if that isn't possible atleast the Brand and rights of Starcraft.
Alternatively, it would be wise act from Blizzard board to concentrate some real business activities to Finland (and consequently to Europe). Why obvious things doesn't occur in the minds of these business gurus of gaming, is beyond me.
Of course, if you don't invest for anything, you cannot get any profits from it. Backwoods farmer can say you so.
Why only profit, profit, profit, profit... until there are no such.
SC2 is the epithome of E-Sports. The Cradle. The Idea.
Finns can fix it, if allowed to do so.
Are you joking here? Finland has a minuscule population and I'm going to guess a weaker gaming culture than the regularl (higher populated) gaming countries The business gurus of gaming know that Finland isn't a lucrative market relatively speaking. Unfortunately I'm not joking there. When making above comments I wasn't aware of ASUS ROG Summer 2019 tournament. The reality made me eat my desperate words nearly immediately after. However, I think you're wrong with that lucrative market -part. I think there is biggest (and most rabid)opportunity for growing the sport (both E-sports generally and SC2 specifically) in Finland currently. Main media in Finland is the biggest obstacle as it is not yet familiarized enough well with E-sports to be capable to familiarize wider ranks of Finnish people to the sports and its current and future meaning in the global scenes, but otherwise Finland as a country is as ready for the 'Explosion' as a nation can be. This is also why I need swallow at least part of my own rants above. There are people who realize the potential. Its upon them how they can overcome the common prejudices toward E-sports in Finland, and that can happen only with extensive PR-policy, publicity activities, and proactive media relations. Exactly the thing that have been the issue with SC2 due Blizzard's chosen long term publication policy. (not ready to go too much backward from my perceptions in this matter, yet). Serral is the pioneer (at least in the eyes of main stream media followers) who can open entire new frontier for the masses, but he cannot do it in Finland without help from corporate operators, and or government support (I actually think they have a certain background role in the oncoming tournament). I think that an euro put to that now would make a shit-load of euros later. Go Serral Go! They announce a 20 000 usd tournament over a weekend, you are talking about a multi billions dollars byout... Yeah I was drunken, frustrated about the future of SC2, and making those comments BEFORE the announcement of the Asus Tournament 2019 at Helsinki. However, considering how shortsighted and random the policy of Blizzard has been in their core market-cluster and with their best product I genuinely tend to think that overall longer term profits from the StarCraft brand would be much, much higher if the majority ownership of the company would be in the hands of somebody else than its current shareholder pool. Generally badly led company (leadership is tied by unwise decisions from uber-mercenary stake-holders). Its ok, if withdrawing assets from unsuccessful divisions and enterprises under severe competive environment, but its not OK when you have a brand that cannot fail if properly invested and developed. I talk now about SC2 and its future. I couldn't care less about some random boom games that come and go. They come and go. SC2 isn't one of them. If it doesn't generate enough profits that is primarily because of how badly the division is led, and how ridiculously the company resources are distributed. The Brand cannot simply fail if there are any business sense at all directing and developing it with rational longer term plans. It has been just a Q1 and Q3 thinking a while now. That doesn't make sense when the brand is to E-sports what Gillette is to blades. Billion dollars was hastily gathered for a roof of a church for cultural conservation after unfortunate mishap, cultural conservation in the E-sports starts from StarCraft and not enough investment go to the product to prevent mishap.
Maybe it would be run better, but money with Starcraft is made selling games not with esport events.
Not making an SC3 is certainly a decision made on the basis of having the biggest profit margin possible, not just breaking even, but with esport no one has found a way to make it profitable by itself. (not just in SC2, almost all of the esport eco-system is deficionary or somehow crowd founded) So saying it's impossible to fail with "right management" is a pretty balsy claim.
Also come one Notre Dame is a 9 century old architectural wonder that took generations to build and is the symbol of a Nation and of the western european "civilization" on top of beeing an holy site for a religion practice by about a billion people, SC2 is an 9 years old video game that never even had a million people watching it at the same time.
I love Starcraft with all my heart, but in 50 year, I'll be more than happy if we get an expo in an esport museum or something.
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@Nakajin:
You've your points.
I'm not concerned about competitive scene of Tetris. It will prevail even when retro computers are reverse-engineered and built from scavenged parts found on a radioactive, overheated desert...
Crowd funding, cool! How you crowd fund a product that makes in every turns of events clear its further development is irrelevant?
- Continuous stream of kicked off employers and developers
- Priority put to what ever random copy-cat games that have no chance among true new innovations
- Publication policy that doesn't allow the primary customers and fans truly participate (You have a chance to buy your loot boxes and irrelevant skins and whatever BS to actual gameplay, and complain about imba in tl.net), and that have demonstrated in practice that even the few remaining project managers and developers doesn't actually have any plans for anything
- Trend of continuous down-grading of everything
- Freeing the game for free play by anyone, but not freeing it to be developed by anyone
- Near total lack of moderation of Ladder, worst because it is exactly the aspect of the game where in recent state of the product and its free basic level distribution should appear an impact of most practical actions of allocated resources...
You get simply feeling that nobody really care anymore. That reflected to alleged status and enthusiast core fan pool, makes me sad.
Hopefully some stick and stone dudes after 900 years have managed to build "the roof" again for this church. 9 months should be enough if truly willing to do that.
I'm sure there are enough skill around to reverse-engineer whole stuff after this shit is categorized as freeware/abandonware.
Blizzard should do that immediately when its clear they're going to bankrupt.
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Sorry Serral, nothing to do with you.
Just rants of desperation. I'm happy for oncoming scheduled and confirmed tournaments, truly and fully, but I'm not happy how it all looks in bigger picture.
You may soon be unemployed, Dear Supreme Zerg, God King, and fellow humble countryman. I fear that your historical deeds will be a part of the last chapter of this awesome Tome. As usually, the value of it will be only realized after its gone.
Go Serral Go!
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