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On October 04 2018 22:22 rotta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 21:47 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 07:14 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
I truly believe that this amazing community has the potential to be a shining light to the rest of the industry by setting a positive example of inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance toward others. In the words of one of Blizzard’s core values: remember to always play nice; play fair. I know this community is capable of changing the world.
Sometimes i just hate these official statements. Only Oscar awards have higher level of smugness in their speeches. Everyone so offended and fragile these days..... Hats off to Mike for everything he's done, i like the guy. Just hating the current culture. You're right, nothing seems to offend people more than inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance in the current culture.
I have nothing against inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance. I just hate that public people have to mention those things every single time they write public statements, at least in some form. Like beauty pageants wish for world's peace.
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On October 04 2018 22:35 Beyond Magic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 22:22 rotta wrote:On October 04 2018 21:47 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 07:14 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
I truly believe that this amazing community has the potential to be a shining light to the rest of the industry by setting a positive example of inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance toward others. In the words of one of Blizzard’s core values: remember to always play nice; play fair. I know this community is capable of changing the world.
Sometimes i just hate these official statements. Only Oscar awards have higher level of smugness in their speeches. Everyone so offended and fragile these days..... Hats off to Mike for everything he's done, i like the guy. Just hating the current culture. You're right, nothing seems to offend people more than inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance in the current culture. I have nothing against inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance. I just hate that public people have to mention those things every single time they write public statements, at least in some form. Like beauty pageants wish for world's peace.
I've never watched beauty pageants so I'll take your word for it, but I'm also hoping for world peace to prevent any further triggering.
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On October 04 2018 22:35 Beyond Magic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 22:22 rotta wrote:On October 04 2018 21:47 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 07:14 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
I truly believe that this amazing community has the potential to be a shining light to the rest of the industry by setting a positive example of inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance toward others. In the words of one of Blizzard’s core values: remember to always play nice; play fair. I know this community is capable of changing the world.
Sometimes i just hate these official statements. Only Oscar awards have higher level of smugness in their speeches. Everyone so offended and fragile these days..... Hats off to Mike for everything he's done, i like the guy. Just hating the current culture. You're right, nothing seems to offend people more than inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance in the current culture. I have nothing against inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance. I just hate that public people have to mention those things every single time they write public statements, at least in some form. Like beauty pageants wish for world's peace.
why? why would you "hate" that? if you hate hearing about social morality it really reflects something about you and has nothing to do with the authenticity of our culture. maybe you should reflect on why you think kindness is a bad thing.
i'm a grown man, and i can handle a few seconds out of my starcraft time for people to name-check common decency. if anything i find public figures talking about sponsors and merchandise much more irritating than social justice.
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On October 04 2018 21:30 Psychotikah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 16:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after a bit more thought here is what i have...
ATVI revenue went from $1.63 B in Q2 of 2017 to $1.655B in Q2 of 2018. that is weak growth in an environment where NASDAQ is soaring. investors expect big growth when we are in a big bull market.
Portion of Revenue from PC games FELL from 31% in first half of 2017 to 27% in 2018.
Blizzard's Monthly Active Users have fallen 9 MILLION in the last year.,, from 46 million to 37 million. OUCH.
Morhaime got pushed out the door. Its not like he is leaving for some new venture like Pardo did. Kotick is fast with his executions. Guitar Hero got canned super fast after 1 title of mediocre performance. Skylanders had 1 season of weak results. Kotick acted swiftly and decisively. Kotick is doing the same thing with Blizzard. Knowing this... It doesn't look good for Blizzard funded sc2 esports :/
Correlation doesn't imply causation, but Jimmy may be on to something here... As much as people on TL are often sheltered from the greater gaming on context or mostly stick with Blizzard stuff and maybe a MOBA or CS:GO, Activision has been one of the most disgusting exponents of unchecked capitalist greed that will stop at nothing to make its shareholders more money.in the gaming space of the last 10 or so years. People tend to forget amidst all the shouting of "EA bad" but it's true.
Furthermore as others have mentioned in this thread it's well known by this point that Mr. Morhaime was very passionate about everything StarCraft even when the scene was at its nadir, in terms of both how the community felt about the game and eSports stats and numbers. Not only is it as much of an emotional loss as you could reasonably expect from this, but it may have very worrying implications for the future of the game or at least its eSports scene.
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This is big news. He indeed was quite the SC2 fan... I hope this won't be bad for SC2, but in the long run it very well might be.
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Thank you to Mike for everything he did for StarCraft. I wish good luck for the future, and hope the next guy can fill this massive responsibility well; looking forward to that 
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On October 04 2018 23:25 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 22:35 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 22:22 rotta wrote:On October 04 2018 21:47 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 07:14 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
I truly believe that this amazing community has the potential to be a shining light to the rest of the industry by setting a positive example of inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance toward others. In the words of one of Blizzard’s core values: remember to always play nice; play fair. I know this community is capable of changing the world.
Sometimes i just hate these official statements. Only Oscar awards have higher level of smugness in their speeches. Everyone so offended and fragile these days..... Hats off to Mike for everything he's done, i like the guy. Just hating the current culture. You're right, nothing seems to offend people more than inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance in the current culture. I have nothing against inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance. I just hate that public people have to mention those things every single time they write public statements, at least in some form. Like beauty pageants wish for world's peace. why? why would you "hate" that? if you hate hearing about social morality it really reflects something about you and has nothing to do with the authenticity of our culture. maybe you should reflect on why you think kindness is a bad thing. i'm a grown man, and i can handle a few seconds out of my starcraft time for people to name-check common decency. if anything i find public figures talking about sponsors and merchandise much more irritating than social justice.
I'd like to believe that Beyond Magic prefers doing concrete things to fix these issues over empty words.
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On October 04 2018 21:30 Psychotikah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 16:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after a bit more thought here is what i have...
ATVI revenue went from $1.63 B in Q2 of 2017 to $1.655B in Q2 of 2018. that is weak growth in an environment where NASDAQ is soaring. investors expect big growth when we are in a big bull market.
Portion of Revenue from PC games FELL from 31% in first half of 2017 to 27% in 2018.
Blizzard's Monthly Active Users have fallen 9 MILLION in the last year.,, from 46 million to 37 million. OUCH.
Morhaime got pushed out the door. Its not like he is leaving for some new venture like Pardo did. Kotick is fast with his executions. Guitar Hero got canned super fast after 1 title of mediocre performance. Skylanders had 1 season of weak results. Kotick acted swiftly and decisively. Kotick is doing the same thing with Blizzard. Knowing this... It doesn't look good for Blizzard funded sc2 esports :/
Well that's the issue when you base your scene on the devs. Once they pull out it's dead. We had a foreign scene that was able to survive without Blizzard before WCS, but even Dreamhack and ESL only do SC2 when Blizz pays for it nowadays. Even though GSL has always been paid for by Blizzard, we were once at a point were we had other stuff in Korea without Blizzards funding (SSL, PL). I'm just happy that ASL has been able to survive inspite of all the hurdles Blizz has put in it's way rather than by being fundet by blizz. At least Korean Brood War will survive, should drastic changes come with Mike stepping down. SC2 will probably die in Korea and shrink hugely in the West.
But who knows, maybe nothing will change and we are over reacting.
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On October 04 2018 23:38 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 21:30 Psychotikah wrote:On October 04 2018 16:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after a bit more thought here is what i have...
ATVI revenue went from $1.63 B in Q2 of 2017 to $1.655B in Q2 of 2018. that is weak growth in an environment where NASDAQ is soaring. investors expect big growth when we are in a big bull market.
Portion of Revenue from PC games FELL from 31% in first half of 2017 to 27% in 2018.
Blizzard's Monthly Active Users have fallen 9 MILLION in the last year.,, from 46 million to 37 million. OUCH.
Morhaime got pushed out the door. Its not like he is leaving for some new venture like Pardo did. Kotick is fast with his executions. Guitar Hero got canned super fast after 1 title of mediocre performance. Skylanders had 1 season of weak results. Kotick acted swiftly and decisively. Kotick is doing the same thing with Blizzard. Knowing this... It doesn't look good for Blizzard funded sc2 esports :/ Well that's the issue when you base your scene on the devs. Once they pull out it's dead. We had a foreign scene that was able to survive without Blizzard before WCS, but even Dreamhack and ESL only do SC2 when Blizz pays for it nowadays. Even though GSL has always been paid for by Blizzard, we were once at a point were we had other stuff in Korea without Blizzards funding (SSL, PL). I'm just happy that ASL has been able to survive inspite of all the hurdles Blizz has put in it's way rather than by being fundet by blizz. At least Korean Brood War will survive, should drastic changes come with Mike stepping down. SC2 will probably die in Korea and shrink hugely in the West. But who knows, maybe nothing will change and we are over reacting.
DH and ESL wouldn't be able to run SC events at a profit today even if WCS had never existed. At today's viewership numbers, only the devs pouring in money can sustain the scene at its current size.
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Thank you Mike, from the bottom of our hearts
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On October 04 2018 23:55 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 23:38 Lorch wrote:On October 04 2018 21:30 Psychotikah wrote:On October 04 2018 16:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after a bit more thought here is what i have...
ATVI revenue went from $1.63 B in Q2 of 2017 to $1.655B in Q2 of 2018. that is weak growth in an environment where NASDAQ is soaring. investors expect big growth when we are in a big bull market.
Portion of Revenue from PC games FELL from 31% in first half of 2017 to 27% in 2018.
Blizzard's Monthly Active Users have fallen 9 MILLION in the last year.,, from 46 million to 37 million. OUCH.
Morhaime got pushed out the door. Its not like he is leaving for some new venture like Pardo did. Kotick is fast with his executions. Guitar Hero got canned super fast after 1 title of mediocre performance. Skylanders had 1 season of weak results. Kotick acted swiftly and decisively. Kotick is doing the same thing with Blizzard. Knowing this... It doesn't look good for Blizzard funded sc2 esports :/ Well that's the issue when you base your scene on the devs. Once they pull out it's dead. We had a foreign scene that was able to survive without Blizzard before WCS, but even Dreamhack and ESL only do SC2 when Blizz pays for it nowadays. Even though GSL has always been paid for by Blizzard, we were once at a point were we had other stuff in Korea without Blizzards funding (SSL, PL). I'm just happy that ASL has been able to survive inspite of all the hurdles Blizz has put in it's way rather than by being fundet by blizz. At least Korean Brood War will survive, should drastic changes come with Mike stepping down. SC2 will probably die in Korea and shrink hugely in the West. But who knows, maybe nothing will change and we are over reacting. DH and ESL wouldn't be able to run SC events at a profit today even if WCS had never existed. At today's viewership numbers, only the devs pouring in money can sustain the scene at its current size.
Well those viewership numbers took a dip when WCS started. And if the game itself can't sustain it then the scene needs to shrink. Otherwise it all falls apart once the devs pull out.
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On October 05 2018 00:17 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 23:55 klipik12 wrote:On October 04 2018 23:38 Lorch wrote:On October 04 2018 21:30 Psychotikah wrote:On October 04 2018 16:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after a bit more thought here is what i have...
ATVI revenue went from $1.63 B in Q2 of 2017 to $1.655B in Q2 of 2018. that is weak growth in an environment where NASDAQ is soaring. investors expect big growth when we are in a big bull market.
Portion of Revenue from PC games FELL from 31% in first half of 2017 to 27% in 2018.
Blizzard's Monthly Active Users have fallen 9 MILLION in the last year.,, from 46 million to 37 million. OUCH.
Morhaime got pushed out the door. Its not like he is leaving for some new venture like Pardo did. Kotick is fast with his executions. Guitar Hero got canned super fast after 1 title of mediocre performance. Skylanders had 1 season of weak results. Kotick acted swiftly and decisively. Kotick is doing the same thing with Blizzard. Knowing this... It doesn't look good for Blizzard funded sc2 esports :/ Well that's the issue when you base your scene on the devs. Once they pull out it's dead. We had a foreign scene that was able to survive without Blizzard before WCS, but even Dreamhack and ESL only do SC2 when Blizz pays for it nowadays. Even though GSL has always been paid for by Blizzard, we were once at a point were we had other stuff in Korea without Blizzards funding (SSL, PL). I'm just happy that ASL has been able to survive inspite of all the hurdles Blizz has put in it's way rather than by being fundet by blizz. At least Korean Brood War will survive, should drastic changes come with Mike stepping down. SC2 will probably die in Korea and shrink hugely in the West. But who knows, maybe nothing will change and we are over reacting. DH and ESL wouldn't be able to run SC events at a profit today even if WCS had never existed. At today's viewership numbers, only the devs pouring in money can sustain the scene at its current size. Well those viewership numbers took a dip when WCS started. And if the game itself can't sustain it then the scene needs to shrink. Otherwise it all falls apart once the devs pull out.
WCS in any iteration similar to what we have today only really started in 2013. Viewership and player numbers had been going down since 2012 for numerous reasons.
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the scene was not able to survive before all of this, they simply over-invested, event organizers and teams both.
a lot of people believed sponsors would pay for everything and there simply wasn't enough return.
there are now no major teams and salaries, and a lot of the injection comes from the game company themselves.
this is not so different from a bunch of titles out there, except for the fact that they tend to earn some bit of revenue.
the size and frequency as it is is fine now and it is a worthwhile continued investment for blizz if they plan on ever releasing another RTS.
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On October 05 2018 00:17 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 23:55 klipik12 wrote:On October 04 2018 23:38 Lorch wrote:On October 04 2018 21:30 Psychotikah wrote:On October 04 2018 16:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
after a bit more thought here is what i have...
ATVI revenue went from $1.63 B in Q2 of 2017 to $1.655B in Q2 of 2018. that is weak growth in an environment where NASDAQ is soaring. investors expect big growth when we are in a big bull market.
Portion of Revenue from PC games FELL from 31% in first half of 2017 to 27% in 2018.
Blizzard's Monthly Active Users have fallen 9 MILLION in the last year.,, from 46 million to 37 million. OUCH.
Morhaime got pushed out the door. Its not like he is leaving for some new venture like Pardo did. Kotick is fast with his executions. Guitar Hero got canned super fast after 1 title of mediocre performance. Skylanders had 1 season of weak results. Kotick acted swiftly and decisively. Kotick is doing the same thing with Blizzard. Knowing this... It doesn't look good for Blizzard funded sc2 esports :/ Well that's the issue when you base your scene on the devs. Once they pull out it's dead. We had a foreign scene that was able to survive without Blizzard before WCS, but even Dreamhack and ESL only do SC2 when Blizz pays for it nowadays. Even though GSL has always been paid for by Blizzard, we were once at a point were we had other stuff in Korea without Blizzards funding (SSL, PL). I'm just happy that ASL has been able to survive inspite of all the hurdles Blizz has put in it's way rather than by being fundet by blizz. At least Korean Brood War will survive, should drastic changes come with Mike stepping down. SC2 will probably die in Korea and shrink hugely in the West. But who knows, maybe nothing will change and we are over reacting. DH and ESL wouldn't be able to run SC events at a profit today even if WCS had never existed. At today's viewership numbers, only the devs pouring in money can sustain the scene at its current size. Well those viewership numbers took a dip when WCS started. And if the game itself can't sustain it then the scene needs to shrink. Otherwise it all falls apart once the devs pull out.
WCS was not what made sc2 numbers dip. There are many potential reasons why it happened, but WCS is certainly not one of them.
As far as funding goes, while this is worrying, I don't think people understand how little sc2 actually gets as far as esports go. OWL has had literally hundreds of millions put into it. Blizz put a few million into sc2 every year ($2M for prize money, and then whatever they happen to contribute to production), and they even get a large amount back from warchests, the latest of which sold $1M worth in the first 2 weeks.
Simply put, Overwatch is more popular, but not by 100x, which is what you'd expect if funding and viewership were directly correlated. The latest csgo major peaked at like 500K viewers, I'd expect sc2 at blizzcon to reach at least 25% of that. Not bad given how much more money is in the former (although the profit valve make from cs esports is ridiculous).
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yea this makes me terrified for WCS and Starcraft esports in general.
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First Metzen, now him. It seemed like Morhaime was a huge proponent for supporting Starcraft. I hope we'll be okay without him.
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A true legend. We all owe you so much. Thank you forever Mike!
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On October 04 2018 23:25 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2018 22:35 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 22:22 rotta wrote:On October 04 2018 21:47 Beyond Magic wrote:On October 04 2018 07:14 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
I truly believe that this amazing community has the potential to be a shining light to the rest of the industry by setting a positive example of inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance toward others. In the words of one of Blizzard’s core values: remember to always play nice; play fair. I know this community is capable of changing the world.
Sometimes i just hate these official statements. Only Oscar awards have higher level of smugness in their speeches. Everyone so offended and fragile these days..... Hats off to Mike for everything he's done, i like the guy. Just hating the current culture. You're right, nothing seems to offend people more than inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance in the current culture. I have nothing against inclusivity, tolerance, and acceptance. I just hate that public people have to mention those things every single time they write public statements, at least in some form. Like beauty pageants wish for world's peace. why? why would you "hate" that? if you hate hearing about social morality it really reflects something about you and has nothing to do with the authenticity of our culture. maybe you should reflect on why you think kindness is a bad thing. i'm a grown man, and i can handle a few seconds out of my starcraft time for people to name-check common decency. if anything i find public figures talking about sponsors and merchandise much more irritating than social justice.
I think the starcraft community especially is a great one for these values. I've always loved this community.
That said, his issue is probably with the basic nature of the statement, and the fact that those virtues are extolled far more often than other virtues. Like, when stepping down, he didn't say, "...setting a positive example of work ethic, personal responsibility, and the drive to self improvement". No one says that in this current culture, even though those are all things you need to get good at starcraft also.
I can see it being annoying that the same 2-3 "voter friendly" virtues are always the ones that get extolled to the opportunity cost of other, equally valid virtues.
And also, it's basic and broad. But hey, it's a closing statement, so that's fine.
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I'm going to miss having him in charge, he always seemed very down to earth and you could see that he genuinely loved the games Blizzard created.
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