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Paloier
Profile Joined November 2018
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December 04 2018 03:31 GMT
#181
On December 04 2018 12:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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On November 28 2018 12:37 lestye wrote:
I don't know. I trust ESPN on their shit.

ESPN is as much gossip as substance in the era of the 20 second 140 character news cycle.
i trust what ATVI puts in their investor calls because if they lie about historical statements about their company they go to jail. When ESPN misleads people about Roberto Osuna's domestic violence "charge" ... what happens to them? nothing. its pretty obvious ESPN's people know zero about the Canadian legal system. That doesn't stop them from yapping away though.

This is why ATVI has provided zero revenue #s about OWL and continue to list it as a "strategic investment"... because its drowning in red ink.

>ESPN is as much gossip<. Thank god for TRUTHTALKER like you
loft
Profile Joined July 2009
United States344 Posts
December 04 2018 03:35 GMT
#182
Funny this guy mentions OWL. I noticed all that gear on sale for 75% off during black friday. Just a sign of tons of wasted gear that didn't move as planned.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-04 13:54:45
December 04 2018 13:54 GMT
#183
On December 04 2018 12:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2018 12:37 lestye wrote:
I don't know. I trust ESPN on their shit.

ESPN is as much gossip as substance in the era of the 20 second 140 character news cycle.
i trust what ATVI puts in their investor calls because if they lie about historical statements about their company they go to jail. When ESPN misleads people about Roberto Osuna's domestic violence "charge" ... what happens to them? nothing. its pretty obvious ESPN's people know zero about the Canadian legal system. That doesn't stop them from yapping away though.

This is why ATVI has provided zero revenue #s about OWL and continue to list it as a "strategic investment"... because its drowning in red ink.

I think you're cherrypicking, theres substanially more substance than gossip, especially in their esports reporting.

And while they havent provided revenue details (yet), they did say it was on track to being profitable. I don't see how its NOT profitable when they have so many billionaires investing, and I can't imagine where the costs are going. Like I said, looking at their studio and venues, they're not exactly spending like crazy. You could be right, and if you are, I'd chalk it up to Activision's incompetence rather than OWL's lack of success.

On December 04 2018 07:15 Clbull wrote:
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On November 28 2018 05:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 28 2018 05:03 lestye wrote:
On November 27 2018 15:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
big difference between 2005-2010 and 2016-2018 is money.

From 2005 to 2010 WoW's and Blizzard's revenues and player base skyrocketed. ATVI was happy directing Blizzard to service one game, namely, WoW and pulling people off of other projects just to service WoW. This is not the case right now. revenue is falling and so is the player base.

since Overwatch made its quick $1 Billion in 2016 .... revenues and player base has fallen. A billion sounds like a lot but its not for ATVI. ATVI pulls in over $6 Billion per year in revenue; WoW by 2010 was pulling in over 2.5 billion every year.

its clear from the investor call Brack was surprised to get this promotion and he is still familiarizing himself with all of Blizzard's operations. Once he has a complete handle on all of Blizzard's various teams .... look for cutbacks.

Err, I get that. I'm just saying they're between generations to make the games that will get them said money.

They weren't just focusing on 1 game, they had at least 6 games in development during those years (7 if we're counting Blizzard North's D3) , 4 of which released between 2010-2014.

I'd imagine there's now even more projects in development.

But yeah, Overwatch's success is probably making Activision crack the whip, since I think Activision is the side thats slipping with the downfall of Skylanders and Call of Duty.

For a company that makes 6+ billion a year Overwatch is not much of a success. It made 1 billion .. 1 year. Now its Humble Bundled for $12. OWL has done nothing and remains categorized as "Strategic Investment" ... which is a polite way to say its losing money.

Investors chose to believe MLG and eSports would bring in new amazing mutli-billion dollar growth. That was 3 years ago. Investors are no longer listening to that song and dance. Judging by what the stock price has done lately I don't think they're listening to the "Blizzard has many more games coming" song and dance either.

Blizzard is busy milking its extremely loyal hard core fan base for every nickel and not adding in any new players.


Back in 2011 or 2012, I would've told you that MLG was going to be huge. They already experienced a huge amount of growth and even their later PPV events did quite well to bring the company some much-needed revenue.

In my eyes, WCS and the rise of montage parodies killed MLG as a brand. The company's disastrous running of WCS America 2013 tarnished the brand and pretty much ostracised them from the StarCraft scene. Then there are spoof montages that turned MLG (and other terms associated with the Call of Duty community) into a running joke. Given MLG's later partnerships with Activision and their elevation of CoD, they became the laughing stock to the point where Acti-Blizzard were inevitably going to buy them out for their infrastructure.

I think if WCS didn't happen, MLG would have rivalled ESL and Dreamhack as an esports powerhouse by now. We would have seen a far greater presence in the Smash Bros and Dota 2 communities from them.


MLG had a ton of mismanagement outside of Starcraft.

Its funny you say "they would have rivalled ESL and Dreamhack" because thats exactly why they faltered. They DID NOT want to compete with them. They went out of their way to only run games they have a monopoly on. Hence why they don't do anything without publishers forking over money.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
December 19 2018 08:07 GMT
#184
Good. I will never forgive this man for doing his best to shut down starcraft broodwar professional scene
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