EPTWe get to see Inno vs Serral next and even if the dream above doesn't come true at least that will be a good series :D
Serral, INno, Dark, Classic advance in GSL vs World - Page 3
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NihilisticGod
Northern Ireland174 Posts
We get to see Inno vs Serral next and even if the dream above doesn't come true at least that will be a good series :D | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
Scarletts game 5 vs Classic was amazing, had me on the edge of my seat a couple of times. Great series! Overall I'd say right now either Maru, Innovation or Dark will take this although I'm hoping for Showtime to give us a huge upset. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 04 2018 03:42 BaneRiders wrote: Of course it gets disregarded when it is said every single time. That is why it gets disregarded.  It's not said every time. When Reynor beat Classic, most people agreed it was because he played really well and creative. Of course in general, when better players lose to lesser ones, there is often an external reason behind it. When top koreans lose to lesser koreans, most people will say they slumped, or didn't care much about the match, or got unlucky or something. | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
... Of course in general, when better players lose to lesser ones, there is often an external reason behind it. When top koreans lose to lesser koreans, most people will say they slumped, or didn't care much about the match, or got unlucky or something. Thats true enough, but the problem is more, that if it is korean vs non-korean, people tend to extrapolate one match to the capabilities of the entire region (and that's the case for both sides of the camp imho) | ||
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MajiN1
113 Posts
On August 04 2018 01:52 BaneRiders wrote: No no, it's the other way around. Serral has nothing to prove. It is the Koreans that must prove that the contender is not worthy, Serral has nothing to lose at all.  Serral has a lot to prove. He didn't perform in korean tournament just like Neeb did when he won kespa cup. He has to prove that he is a top contender to big events. It is now or never because the next and final stop will be Blizzcon. | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On August 04 2018 04:53 MajiN1 wrote: ... Serral has a lot to prove. He didn't perform in korean tournament just like Neeb did when he won kespa cup. He has to prove that he is a top contender to big events. It is now or never because the next and final stop will be Blizzcon. i guess a 3rd place in WESG (with a win over classic, since neeb was 3rd the year before) and a ro4 at IEM WC is nothing to ignore as well. Especially if you consider the fact that Neeb mostly had to win PvPs back in the day (i think it was one series vs. Pet or something). Still a pretty damn good achivement from him, but I rate Serrals higher tbh. Even if he loses a close series vs inno its still a good sign for his level i would say | ||
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Vanillatoss
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agripsss
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On August 04 2018 04:45 Fango wrote: It's not said every time. When Reynor beat Classic, most people agreed it was because he played really well and creative. Oh really? Well, I stand corrected. It must be the first time a foreigner gets that kind of credit since I started following SC2 some five years ago... Foreigner bashing and making up apologies now, that has been rather consistent and tiresome for many years on TL. One of my 'favorite' excuses is the ZvZ excuse. If a foreigner wins, its because it is a ZvZ, implying any gold league dude can win a Bo5 ZvZ against a Korean pro on pure f2/a-move + luck. If a Korean wins however, it is because of supreme micro/macro/decision making/good looks/whatever.  | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On August 04 2018 06:30 BaneRiders wrote: Oh really? Well, I stand corrected. It must be the first time a foreigner gets that kind of credit since I started following SC2 some five years ago... Foreigner bashing and making up apologies now, that has been rather consistent and tiresome for many years on TL. One of my 'favorite' excuses is the ZvZ excuse. If a foreigner wins, its because it is a ZvZ, implying any gold league dude can win a Bo5 ZvZ against a Korean pro on pure f2/a-move + luck. If a Korean wins however, it is because of supreme micro/macro/decision making/good looks/whatever. This is not just a foreigner vs korean thing as Fango already said. When a weaker korean beats a stronger one the same is usually said too, like when ByuN beat Stats last GSL a lot of people also were like "wow Stats played like trash today, lucky ByuN". Turns out there's often a reason why one player is regarded higher than the other one and winning one set against him doesn't mean you're suddenly a better player. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
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SCHWARZENEGGER
206 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:57 Tommy131313 wrote: Serral will crush Innovation - that is, until Inno does some serious cheese to topple Serral. Regarding the gap, there have been several kinds of gaps imho: 1) the gap in mechanics - it's more on the individual level, and Serral for example is on the same level as most koreans 2) the gap in experience - with the actual WCS system, more foreigners get experience in high quality nervbreaking tournament matches 3) the gap in team benefits - that's been the biggest advantage of korean players, having teams for analyzation, strategy developement and particularly preparation against special opponents 4) the gap in respect - many korean players are still overly feared by their foreign opponents Thus you can't just say "the gap has closed", it is a bit more complex imho... Concerning Serral I think he has overcome most of the "gaps". innovation is far from his top form and close to retirement, serral never will achieve as much as him. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
On August 03 2018 22:43 DBooN wrote: 3 foreigners in the ro8, conclusive proof that the gap has closed. This is sarcasm right? The only foreigner that advanced vs a Korean opponent was Showtime. the 2 others defeated Foreign players. It was literally impossible for us to not have at least 2 Foreigners in Ro8. | ||
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Tappo
101 Posts
On August 04 2018 06:42 Rodya wrote: Everyone respects Scarletts skill, and she is a foreigner. The difference is that she doesnt hide from Koreans and doesnt rely on online "results" to carry her resume. Imo scarlett is the best foreigner, just had a little slump and focused on gsl while serral played low tier players. Everyone? Pretty sure her latest results and beyond were cheesed, which was patched out just a week later. She also played against "low tier" in leipzig. She dropped out of leipzig pools against "low tier". Not sure what you actually respect. Even those games aganst Classic were GOGOGO BANELINGS! | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On August 04 2018 05:01 uummpaa wrote: i guess a 3rd place in WESG (with a win over classic, since neeb was 3rd the year before) and a ro4 at IEM WC is nothing to ignore as well. Especially if you consider the fact that Neeb mostly had to win PvPs back in the day (i think it was one series vs. Pet or something). Still a pretty damn good achivement from him, but I rate Serrals higher tbh. Even if he loses a close series vs inno its still a good sign for his level i would say Serral squeeked by Trap 3-2. Trap is not even the best Protoss in Korea. Serral then proceeded in Katowice to get stomped hard by Classic. That's what he did to get ro4... one series win against Trap. Now lets look at WESG... he beat neeb... and lost to Maru 0-3. Okay, he beat Classic 3-1 in the third place match, sure, but he lost 0-3 to Classic when the match truly mattered for the tournament. Stop saying "Serral got top 4 at WESG!!", that makes it sound much more impressive than it is. Serral beat Neeb to get there. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
1) Game 5 of classic v. scarlett was slightly entertaining. 2) The sky is blue due to Raleigh scattering. 3) Lotv has finally stabilised to the point where good tactics are rewarded in addition to macro/micro. 4) Serral, Gumiho, and Neeb all represent a single phenomenon: The rise of players who leveraged their initial prowess in mirror matchup to go farther and eventually diversify. 5) This upcoming Blizzcon is going to be more fun than the one we saw in 2019. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On August 04 2018 09:32 KR_4EVR wrote: 5) This upcoming Blizzcon is going to be more fun than the one we saw in 2019. Can I borrow your time machine? I need to tell my 2011 self to invest in Bitcoin. | ||
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On August 04 2018 08:35 Rodya wrote: ... Serral squeeked by Trap 3-2. Trap is not even the best Protoss in Korea. Serral then proceeded in Katowice to get stomped hard by Classic. That's what he did to get ro4... one series win against Trap. Now lets look at WESG... he beat neeb... and lost to Maru 0-3. Okay, he beat Classic 3-1 in the third place match, sure, but he lost 0-3 to Classic when the match truly mattered for the tournament. Stop saying "Serral got top 4 at WESG!!", that makes it sound much more impressive than it is. Serral beat Neeb to get there. k, beating trap in a final is an achivement, in a quarterfinal of a way bigger tournament isn't. 5:0 a group with 3 koreans in it (one of them the later champion) also. and classic sure didn't give his all in WESG, with just 20.000 bucks on the line, whatever proves your point i guess | ||
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