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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:17 MajiN1 wrote: Big challenge for Serral he has to prove he can beat top Koreans. Inno is the first step... I want Innovation to win because I want to know that top Koreans still slam down even the best non-Koreans. I want Serral to win because it makes the tournament more intense and makes for a better story line. | ||
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Kitai
United States886 Posts
On August 03 2018 23:14 Lysergic1 wrote: The gap has vastly decreased. Two years ago, the top 20 Koreans would be favorites to beat the #1 foreigner. That's... not really true. Almost exactly 2 years ago is when Neeb won his 2016 KeSPA cup. After that, he followed up with 2 more back-to-back premier tournament wins in early 2017. I don't think it's fair to say the top 20 Koreans would have been favored over him in that time period. | ||
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Tommy131313
Germany157 Posts
Regarding the gap, there have been several kinds of gaps imho: 1) the gap in mechanics - it's more on the individual level, and Serral for example is on the same level as most koreans 2) the gap in experience - with the actual WCS system, more foreigners get experience in high quality nervbreaking tournament matches 3) the gap in team benefits - that's been the biggest advantage of korean players, having teams for analyzation, strategy developement and particularly preparation against special opponents 4) the gap in respect - many korean players are still overly feared by their foreign opponents Thus you can't just say "the gap has closed", it is a bit more complex imho... Concerning Serral I think he has overcome most of the "gaps". | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:57 Tommy131313 wrote: Serral will crush Innovation - that is, until Inno does some serious cheese to topple Serral. Regarding the gap, there have been several kinds of gaps imho: 1) the gap in mechanics - it's more on the individual level, and Serral for example is on the same level as most koreans 2) the gap in experience - with the actual WCS system, more foreigners get experience in high quality nervbreaking tournament matches 3) the gap in team benefits - that's been the biggest advantage of korean players, having teams for analyzation, strategy developement and particularly preparation against special opponents 4) the gap in respect - many korean players are still overly feared by their foreign opponents Thus you can't just say "the gap has closed", it is a bit more complex imho... Concerning Serral I think he has overcome most of the "gaps". Inno losing to Serral? That's a good one. | ||
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Vanillatoss
76 Posts
Had to quote it so I wont forget who, when and where said that eighter to laugh at or to agree with.  | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:57 Tommy131313 wrote: Serral will crush Innovation - that is, until Inno does some serious cheese to topple Serral. Regarding the gap, there have been several kinds of gaps imho: 1) the gap in mechanics - it's more on the individual level, and Serral for example is on the same level as most koreans 2) the gap in experience - with the actual WCS system, more foreigners get experience in high quality nervbreaking tournament matches 3) the gap in team benefits - that's been the biggest advantage of korean players, having teams for analyzation, strategy developement and particularly preparation against special opponents 4) the gap in respect - many korean players are still overly feared by their foreign opponents Thus you can't just say "the gap has closed", it is a bit more complex imho... Concerning Serral I think he has overcome most of the "gaps". I will wait for that time when Serral really beats Inno. But tomorrow? Doubt it. I have to see it to believe it. But if he does, at least takes a map from him, you got my support that Serral is already closing in. Inno doesn't need to do serious cheeses to beat Serral. He can do macro just fine and win. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:17 MajiN1 wrote: Big challenge for Serral he has to prove he can beat top Koreans. Inno is the first step... No no, it's the other way around. Serral has nothing to prove. It is the Koreans that must prove that the contender is not worthy, Serral has nothing to lose at all.  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:57 Tommy131313 wrote: 4) the gap in respect - many korean players are still overly feared by their foreign opponents That benefits the foreigners. Look at Zest, he didn't prepare at all for Showtime. He tried to cannon rush him on the map Showtime blind counters it every time on (at least from what I've seen). Of course it can go the other way (Elazer vs TY being an example), but I still think foreigners being forever underated by koreans actually helps them win. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I wouldn't be at all suprised if Serral wins. INno's TvZ recently is very predictable and Serral has the skill to get around it if he prepared. I also don't think beating Rogue means he auto wins vs a slightly lesser zerg. Rogue is seriously inconsistant and massively overrated (by casters at least). | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
Inno:I know you will buy my replay and research my mech,lololol | ||
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Vanillatoss
76 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:57 Tommy131313 wrote: Serral will crush Innovation - that is, until Inno does some serious cheese to topple Serral. .... Even if Serral does, it won't matter because Inno (or any Korean)... a) ... is in a slump recently (the win vs rouge was just an exeption) b) ... didn't take it seriously because nothing was on the line, it will be totally different in an other match c) ... seriously played his worst game in months d) ... Serral (i.e. non-Korean) had some lucky BO wins or a combination of those, whatever floats the boat of the person(s) who will explain this in great detail | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 04 2018 03:28 uummpaa wrote: Even if Serral does, it won't matter because Inno (or any Korean)... a) ... is in a slump recently (the win vs rouge was just an exeption) b) ... didn't take ist serious because nothing was on the line, it will be totally different in an other match c) ... seriously played his worst game in months d) ... Serral (i.e. non-Korean) had some lucky BO wins or a combination of those, whatever floats the boat of the person(s) who will explain this in great detail The stupid part is that even blatent examples those get disregarded because you can't downplay the achievements of a foreigner. Makes you a korean fanboy etc When top koreans lose to low level koreans though, everyone's in agreement that the matches don't mean much and the players are still on different skill levels  | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On August 04 2018 03:37 Fango wrote: The stupid part is that even blatent examples those get disregarded because you can't downplay the achievements of a foreigner. Makes you a korean fanboy etc When top koreans lose to low level koreans though, everyone's in agreement that the matches don't mean much and the players are still on different skill levels Of course it gets disregarded when it is said every single time. That is why it gets disregarded. | ||
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BlingBlang
21 Posts
On August 04 2018 00:02 Poopi wrote: I don't know much about PvZ but did she look that good or Classic looked that bad to make it so close? I guess we'll find out with Dark against Classic how well Scarlett actually performed. Bit of both. Classic's worst match up vs. Scarlett's best. It was incredibly close at the end but it was only that close because Classic was a bit sloppy. Classic will get absolutely mauled by Dark. Really don't understand the confidence in Innovation. He's looked mediocre for months, got 4-0 by Showtime, and I don't think he looked that impressive against Rogue who is always erratic. I hate how irrational people tend to be with Inno, seeing him as some sort of infallible god because he was once dominant. I think the evidence suggests that Serral is a big favourite and I expect him to win convincingly. So many people can't see that because it breaks the illusion of Korean terrans being unbeatable machine-like demigods. I blame Artosis. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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allmotor1
153 Posts
I wouldn't be surprised to see serral win vs inno, but I also wouldnt't be surprised to see inno win. I'm not sure. Regarding the gap, I think it has closed slightly, Serral is just an anomaly. Hes way above other foreigners. Would love to see him in gsl but i doubt it. | ||
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for nerchio it didn't last nearly as long as the two others but he was amongst the very best of this game, so nothing new here
