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Serral, INno, Dark, Classic advance in GSL vs World

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 13:25:01
August 03 2018 13:23 GMT
#1
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GSL vs. The World 2018

Korea bared its teeth on day two of GSL vs. The World, as North American stars (Wiki)Neeb and (Wiki)Scarlett were eliminated in the RO16. (Wiki)Dark looked to be back in top form after thrashing Neeb 3-0, a close repeat of his victory from GSL Code S. Scarlett came close to taking a point for the foreigners against (Wiki)Classic, but ceded a full-set loss after she was unable to close out a lead in game five.

In foreigner vs foreigner action, Serral took a clean 3-0 sweep against Kelazhur, despite some tough resistance from the Brazilian Terran in game one. Meanwhile, INnoVation caused a minor upset in his inter-Korean clash against Rogue, with the reigning BlizzCon champion tapping out against an endless march of Terran troops.

GSL vs. The World continues with the quarterfinals and semifinals on Saturday, Aug 04 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).

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Syn Harvest
Profile Joined July 2012
United States191 Posts
August 03 2018 13:28 GMT
#2
Damn Showtime beat Zest. This went exactly how I thought it would except for that one match
Open your heart and embrace the darkness
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 03 2018 13:29 GMT
#3
So close for Scarlett
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 03 2018 13:29 GMT
#4
Its going to be hard for Serral
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
August 03 2018 13:36 GMT
#5
EU is holding.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
August 03 2018 13:43 GMT
#6
3 foreigners in the ro8, conclusive proof that the gap has closed.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 03 2018 13:50 GMT
#7
On August 03 2018 22:43 DBooN wrote:
3 foreigners in the ro8, conclusive proof that the gap has closed.


bracket luck!
RedDevil91
Profile Joined August 2018
1 Post
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 13:58:04
August 03 2018 13:57 GMT
#8
On August 03 2018 22:43 DBooN wrote:
3 foreigners in the ro8, conclusive proof that the gap has closed.


Two foreigners were guaranteed to make it to the ro8.
Lysergic1
Profile Joined August 2017
21 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 14:15:41
August 03 2018 14:14 GMT
#9
The gap has vastly decreased. Two years ago, the top 20 Koreans would be favorites to beat the #1 foreigner. Now I would say the top 4 or 6 Koreans are favored over Serral, but I think he's got a shot at beating any of them except a Maru that specifically prepares for the match.

So is there a gap? Yes, but Serral is just on the Korean side of it. Special (and obviously Showtime) will lose their next match and Serral will be the foreign hope.

And with all that said... Go Maru!
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 14:26:25
August 03 2018 14:26 GMT
#10
On August 03 2018 23:14 Lysergic1 wrote:
The gap has vastly decreased. Two years ago, the top 20 Koreans would be favorites to beat the #1 foreigner.

Two years ago Nerchio was like the second or third best zerg in the world
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 14:30:36
August 03 2018 14:29 GMT
#11
On August 03 2018 23:14 Lysergic1 wrote:
The gap has vastly decreased. Two years ago, the top 20 Koreans would be favorites to beat the #1 foreigner. Now I would say the top 4 or 6 Koreans are favored over Serral, but I think he's got a shot at beating any of them except a Maru that specifically prepares for the match.

So is there a gap? Yes, but Serral is just on the Korean side of it. Special (and obviously Showtime) will lose their next match and Serral will be the foreign hope.

And with all that said... Go Maru!



But Serral is way ahead from other foreigners, he is the anomaly, very very good foreigner aren't the norm.
In their time, Stephano or Nerchio or even Naniwa were considered top world (not first but at least top 3 of their race).
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
August 03 2018 14:34 GMT
#12
Nerchio in the same sentence as Stephano / Naniwa, are you all going crazy?
WriterMaru
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 03 2018 14:42 GMT
#13
Well, eh, lol.

That's all that can be said to the people that hyped the yesterday's results. Korean are still better, what a surprise!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
August 03 2018 14:46 GMT
#14
On August 03 2018 23:34 Poopi wrote:
Nerchio in the same sentence as Stephano / Naniwa, are you all going crazy?


sorry for nerchio it didn't last nearly as long as the two others but he was amongst the very best of this game, so nothing new here
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 14:51:25
August 03 2018 14:49 GMT
#15
On August 03 2018 23:46 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 23:34 Poopi wrote:
Nerchio in the same sentence as Stephano / Naniwa, are you all going crazy?


sorry for nerchio it didn't last nearly as long as the two others but he was amongst the very best of this game, so nothing new here

nerchio dominated early LOTV almost as hard as neeb and serral for a while, but i think a lot of people didn't give him credit because he was very strong in the new meta and started to regress as the game got more figured out/more patches hit

anyway, besides that, scarlett was so close, insanely close. if anyone didn't see the games then trust me, there were multiple points where it looked like she was literally about to win the series and classic just stone cold held. if you're a scarlett fan looking forward to the games, she looked good, but the way she lost is going to break your heart
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Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
August 03 2018 14:53 GMT
#16
Serral is not the best foreigner of all time. All of his achievements are versus foreigners. Scarlett's career is more impressive than Serrals'.

Maru 3 - 0 Showtime
Stats 3 - 0 Special
Serral 0 - 3 Innovation
Classic 3 - 2 Dark

Admittedly Dark is favorite to beat Classic but I want to believe in Classic. Also Innovation vs Classic will be more interesting than Innovation vs Dark imo.
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
August 03 2018 15:02 GMT
#17
On August 03 2018 23:49 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 23:46 Mun_Su wrote:
On August 03 2018 23:34 Poopi wrote:
Nerchio in the same sentence as Stephano / Naniwa, are you all going crazy?


sorry for nerchio it didn't last nearly as long as the two others but he was amongst the very best of this game, so nothing new here

nerchio dominated early LOTV almost as hard as neeb and serral for a while, but i think a lot of people didn't give him credit because he was very strong in the new meta and started to regress as the game got more figured out/more patches hit

anyway, besides that, scarlett was so close, insanely close. if anyone didn't see the games then trust me, there were multiple points where it looked like she was literally about to win the series and classic just stone cold held. if you're a scarlett fan looking forward to the games, she looked good, but the way she lost is going to break your heart

I don't know much about PvZ but did she look that good or Classic looked that bad to make it so close?

I guess we'll find out with Dark against Classic how well Scarlett actually performed.
WriterMaru
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 15:16:45
August 03 2018 15:11 GMT
#18
On August 04 2018 00:02 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 23:49 brickrd wrote:
On August 03 2018 23:46 Mun_Su wrote:
On August 03 2018 23:34 Poopi wrote:
Nerchio in the same sentence as Stephano / Naniwa, are you all going crazy?


sorry for nerchio it didn't last nearly as long as the two others but he was amongst the very best of this game, so nothing new here

nerchio dominated early LOTV almost as hard as neeb and serral for a while, but i think a lot of people didn't give him credit because he was very strong in the new meta and started to regress as the game got more figured out/more patches hit

anyway, besides that, scarlett was so close, insanely close. if anyone didn't see the games then trust me, there were multiple points where it looked like she was literally about to win the series and classic just stone cold held. if you're a scarlett fan looking forward to the games, she looked good, but the way she lost is going to break your heart

I don't know much about PvZ but did she look that good or Classic looked that bad to make it so close?

Well each of them basically got a build order win. It was a 2-1 for Classic in the "regular" games.

The other game Scarlett won Classic was actually ahead then had his entire army out of position and lost it to a surround. In game 5 Scarlett was so close to winning as well but didn't manage the situation well and ended up losing.

I'd say they both played a bit shaky, good in some areas, not good in others. Classic's micro was notably not great.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-03 15:19:04
August 03 2018 15:14 GMT
#19
On August 03 2018 23:53 Rodya wrote:
Serral is not the best foreigner of all time. All of his achievements are versus foreigners. Scarlett's career is more impressive than Serrals'.

Maru 3 - 0 Showtime
Stats 3 - 0 Special
Serral 0 - 3 Innovation
Classic 3 - 2 Dark

Admittedly Dark is favorite to beat Classic but I want to believe in Classic. Also Innovation vs Classic will be more interesting than Innovation vs Dark imo.

i mean, scarlett's only major achievement against koreans i can think of is beating sOs 4-1. yeah, her career is more impressive, but that's because she's been playing a professional level longer than serral has. she was already making waves in foreign starcraft before anyone cared about serral, who is also 4 years younger than her

On August 04 2018 00:02 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2018 23:49 brickrd wrote:
On August 03 2018 23:46 Mun_Su wrote:
On August 03 2018 23:34 Poopi wrote:
Nerchio in the same sentence as Stephano / Naniwa, are you all going crazy?


sorry for nerchio it didn't last nearly as long as the two others but he was amongst the very best of this game, so nothing new here

nerchio dominated early LOTV almost as hard as neeb and serral for a while, but i think a lot of people didn't give him credit because he was very strong in the new meta and started to regress as the game got more figured out/more patches hit

anyway, besides that, scarlett was so close, insanely close. if anyone didn't see the games then trust me, there were multiple points where it looked like she was literally about to win the series and classic just stone cold held. if you're a scarlett fan looking forward to the games, she looked good, but the way she lost is going to break your heart

I don't know much about PvZ but did she look that good or Classic looked that bad to make it so close?

I guess we'll find out with Dark against Classic how well Scarlett actually performed.

i think she looked good with the aggressive style, which to my knowledge is typically her strength in ZvP when she's taking out koreans. she creates aggressive early situations, takes strong trades with good micro, and then either allins or goes into weird tech switches like muta to maintain an advantage until she can close the game out. i'm not sure what her ZvP vs koreans would look like in an 80 drone macro game against immortal chargelot archon storm, but if she can keep winning fights playing her kind of game i don't think that's invalid. MC was another player who created a lot of success against koreans by dictating the game aggressively.

she really needs mint execution to do it though. classic definitely showed how a calm defense and smart micro can take a lot of the air out of strong zerg aggression
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MajiN1
Profile Joined July 2017
113 Posts
August 03 2018 15:17 GMT
#20
Big challenge for Serral he has to prove he can beat top Koreans. Inno is the first step...
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