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why is there no Reignor? 
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I voted Kelazhur, I just think he needs to have more matches vs the very best players. I think this guy can be the best foreign terran if he can have a lot of experiences like this. IMO of course  .
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On July 17 2018 20:38 droblit wrote:why is there no Reignor?
They didnt know where to put him. GSL or The World? :p
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f91 always my big brother. By the way ,gan si Huang xu dong！！！
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Long time watcher, first time voter (might have actually voted in the past, but don't remember)
Has HYPE! definitely won me over after Valencia.
Lambo! homestory cup made me really enjoy this guy. Though normally it'd go to Scarlett.
And Heromarine! again homestory cup made me a fan of this man.
Just hope the Kelazhur promoters promote the event when it's on too. New viewers hype!
GLHF Go the world team!
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On July 17 2018 20:35 Executer08 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 06:37 rotta wrote:On July 17 2018 06:08 Executer08 wrote:On July 16 2018 23:38 Elentos wrote:On July 16 2018 23:15 Executer08 wrote:On July 15 2018 06:48 rotta wrote:On July 15 2018 04:37 sunnyshine wrote:On July 15 2018 03:44 rotta wrote:
How come Has didn't get China's slot if they want him so badly? Don't think Has was involved in getting the chinese slot, afaik since Has is taiwanese he goes through the normal voting system. Yeah, looks like WCS is still pretty inconsistent with the whole Taiwan/Taipei mess. how is it inconsistent? They call it "Chinese Taipei" to cater to China but treat it as a separate WCS region i dont see how not trying to get involved in those specific politics, especially as taiwan isnt officially recognized by the US anyway afaik, makes this inconsistent. it has a seperate name and is a seperate region and, as i said before, it has been like this for a long time if not forever, so i dont see any inconsistency whatsoever. They still keep using both names and flags. where? i dont remember seeing both anywhere
It's still Taiwan on their website, could it be that it's the event organizers (DH, O'G...) that change it?
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does anyone know y cyan got the chinese spot? Was he highest ranked chinese at a certain point or was there a poll as well?
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On July 17 2018 07:44 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 07:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:On July 17 2018 07:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up. Thank you, Sir. Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event. Official Statement from Blizzard (last year): We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease as participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match. And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way. I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least. Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them, In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want. That's just a truth you need to accept. Here's another truth you need to accept. It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people." That's not what this is about. I think there's a huge difference. Scarlett is a very popular player and gets a lot of votes from her fans. Even though I don't want her to win, at least her fans get to watch her play at the event. Kelazhur wins by getting a ton of votes from people who don't give a shit about starcraft and I assume most or a large portion won't watch the event at all. I wont bother comment about the democracy side of it or the system or how fair it is, I'm just saying this from my perspective as a viewer.
"Most of a large portion won't watch at all" But some or many will. And that's already good for the starcraft community.
The rules of the poll were set. If you don't like them, suggest something better for the next one. Meanwhile, each and every player will use all of the available and allowed ways to win it.
Honestly, you look like Avilo complaining and shinning, or like Idra complaining about cheeses, as if they played the wrong type of the game or anything like that.
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On July 17 2018 08:17 StabiloBoss20 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 07:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:On July 17 2018 07:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up. Thank you, Sir. Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event. Official Statement from Blizzard (last year): We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match. And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way. I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least. Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them, In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want. That's just a truth you need to accept. Here's another truth you need to accept. It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people." That's not what this is about. love if someone is arguing with "this is the truth und you have to accept this".... i voted for kelazhur earlier on. i dont blame him at all how things developed. im fine with this beeing a popular vote. Nevertheless i think only starcraft interessted poeple should be allowed to vote. and no "grow up" shit will change that. talking about democracy you should consider, that foreign people are also not allowed to vote in a political election. and that's for a good reason. i guess most of the vote came from people who are foreigners to the starcraft scene. and yes, in this case i only repect the opinion of people who are somehow interested in starcraft.
There's the thing though. "The people interested in starcraft" is not a fixed amount or group. This very poll may already be helping to change and increasing it.
Some of the people that you disregard may very well take interest after voting just for support. I guess that's the whole point of this format.
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On July 17 2018 08:52 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 08:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I'm sorry for you and respect your opinion, but the fan voting event is open to everyone. If Blizzard did not want it that way, it would have kept the old format. If Blizz wanted something more competitive he would have chosen the players through a tournament. I am not saying that your case, but it is extremely unfair with players being accused of using bots, lacking the qualifications and skills to play in this tournament among many other things. This revealed a part of the community that is toxic and I thought we had already passed this stage and it would be great for SC2 to gain more visibility because it is an excellent game. A simple proof of this is that the Brazilian SC2 community on Facebook has increased thanks to this disclosure. I'm happy for this. I don't think Blizzard considered that something like this could happen. And I don't know what is toxic about being unhappy with it. The voting system was supposed to get the most popular players to the event. Kelazhur isn't the most popular foreign terran, before the tweets he was well behind Heromarine and Uthermal. He surpassed them because popular guys advertised for him not because he himself is that popular. It's not about hating on Kelazhur, it's that based on popularity (which this was about) he shouldn't get in over the other 2 terrans.
And how many people voted for Uthermal because they're teamliquids fan more than Uthermals? Can you measure that?
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On July 17 2018 22:50 Locutos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 07:44 11cc wrote:On July 17 2018 07:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:On July 17 2018 07:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up. Thank you, Sir. Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event. Official Statement from Blizzard (last year): We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease as participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match. And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way. I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least. Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them, In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want. That's just a truth you need to accept. Here's another truth you need to accept. It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people." That's not what this is about. I think there's a huge difference. Scarlett is a very popular player and gets a lot of votes from her fans. Even though I don't want her to win, at least her fans get to watch her play at the event. Kelazhur wins by getting a ton of votes from people who don't give a shit about starcraft and I assume most or a large portion won't watch the event at all. I wont bother comment about the democracy side of it or the system or how fair it is, I'm just saying this from my perspective as a viewer. "Most of a large portion won't watch at all" But some or many will. And that's already good for the starcraft community. The rules of the poll were set. If you don't like them, suggest something better for the next one. Meanwhile, each and every player will use all of the available and allowed ways to win it. Honestly, you look like Avilo complaining and shinning, or like Idra complaining about cheeses, as if they played the wrong type of the game or anything like that.
The point is that it went against the intended purpose of the poll.
The poll was supposed to get the most popular players to the tournament. Fallen and the others basically skewed the poll by using their popularity to get a less popular player to the tournament.
Don't come with "The rules allowed it so it's okay". Blizzard clearly not considered that so many people outside of the community will vote because they were told to.
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I'm a simple man, I see Has, I vote.
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I like how there are 5000 more votes in the Team World: Terran poll than in the other five polls, seems legit.
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On July 17 2018 22:58 Locutos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 08:52 Charoisaur wrote:On July 17 2018 08:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I'm sorry for you and respect your opinion, but the fan voting event is open to everyone. If Blizzard did not want it that way, it would have kept the old format. If Blizz wanted something more competitive he would have chosen the players through a tournament. I am not saying that your case, but it is extremely unfair with players being accused of using bots, lacking the qualifications and skills to play in this tournament among many other things. This revealed a part of the community that is toxic and I thought we had already passed this stage and it would be great for SC2 to gain more visibility because it is an excellent game. A simple proof of this is that the Brazilian SC2 community on Facebook has increased thanks to this disclosure. I'm happy for this. I don't think Blizzard considered that something like this could happen. And I don't know what is toxic about being unhappy with it. The voting system was supposed to get the most popular players to the event. Kelazhur isn't the most popular foreign terran, before the tweets he was well behind Heromarine and Uthermal. He surpassed them because popular guys advertised for him not because he himself is that popular. It's not about hating on Kelazhur, it's that based on popularity (which this was about) he shouldn't get in over the other 2 terrans. And how many people voted for Uthermal because they're teamliquids fan more than Uthermals? Can you measure that?
There is a difference between fans of an esports team voting for their favorite players, and a non-sc2 community voting for someone purely because of nationality.
Do you really want polls in the future to be brazil vs. germany vs. netherlands?
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Thing is that nobody has a definitve say on what the Starcraft community wants. The poll was open to fans of the people involved regardless of restriction, so if that was the point was badly designed.
Let's say uThermal asked his mom who don't care about Starcraft to vote for him on the poll, was it a legit vote? Will his mom watch the stream?
Nobody personally knows each single person who voted on the poll to say who's engaged or not on Starcraft, so if there's something to blame on all this is how the restrictions and requirements to vote were made. Aside that is pure whining.
If you think it's unfair you have all the right to press blizzard to make it a better system for next year, but hoping Kelazhur gets "crushed and bm'd" just show how some people here are focusing on the wrong thing.
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Yeah, it is clearly NOT Kelazhurs fault. It's more a fault of the new system and also of the brazilian e-sport scene. I hope Blizzard will do something so this situation won't repeat next year.
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Last minute voting, got MaSa, Scarlett and MaNa down. With the proper match-up they will do well, i.e., MaNa vs terran, Scarlett vs protoss and MaSa vs zerg. I would have taken Reynor if he is available, he is the most insane zerg outside of Korea besides Serral.
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Man I really dont think Kelazhur will perform well. Uthermal would probably do better but what can you do. I hope he proves me wrong
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