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On July 17 2018 08:00 2xBanned wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I'm sorry for you and respect your opinion, but the fan voting event is open to everyone. If Blizzard did not want it that way, it would have kept the old format. If Blizz wanted something more competitive he would have chosen the players through a tournament. I am not saying that your case, but it is extremely unfair with players being accused of using bots, lacking the qualifications and skills to play in this tournament among many other things. This revealed a part of the community that is toxic and I thought we had already passed this stage and it would be great for SC2 to gain more visibility because it is an excellent game. A simple proof of this is that the Brazilian SC2 community on Facebook has increased thanks to this disclosure. I'm happy for this.
I don't think Blizzard considered that something like this could happen.
And I don't know what is toxic about being unhappy with it.
The voting system was supposed to get the most popular players to the event. Kelazhur isn't the most popular foreign terran, before the tweets he was well behind Heromarine and Uthermal. He surpassed them because popular guys advertised for him not because he himself is that popular.
It's not about hating on Kelazhur, it's that based on popularity (which this was about) he shouldn't get in over the other 2 terrans.
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On July 17 2018 07:41 geschlittert wrote:
You don't understand the problem. Not Kelazhur is more popular than Uthermal or Heromarine, Fallen and the other brazilian e-sport players are more popular. That's the reason why we are complaining. The poll was not decided by the community but by guys who had and have no clue about anything going on in Starcraft 2.
On July 17 2018 08:17 StabiloBoss20 wrote:
love if someone is arguing with "this is the truth und you have to accept this"....
i voted for kelazhur earlier on. i dont blame him at all how things developed. im fine with this beeing a popular vote. Nevertheless i think only starcraft interessted poeple should be allowed to vote. and no "grow up" shit will change that. talking about democracy you should consider, that foreign people are also not allowed to vote in a political election. and that's for a good reason. i guess most of the vote came from people who are foreigners to the starcraft scene.
and yes, in this case i only repect the opinion of people who are somehow interested in starcraft.
Could we get in common ground that comparing a Global Fan Voting Event with political elections is a bit radical?
So the problem is the "foreigners"? Does anyone outside this community deserve to have their vote respected? Again, even if it is a Global Fan Voting Event...
Just to make things clear, someone here complained about uThermal or HeRoMaRinE the same way they are doing with the kelazhur, or even the Has? I think not.
I want to make it clear that I'm not against it, but both players had their organizations asking votes for them.
We are talking about Teamliquid which is a very respected organizations with more than 358k followers on twitter, which has teams and is directly linked with games like SC2, Hearthstone, League of Legends, CS, DOTA, Street Fighter, PUBG, Clash Royal and others
![[image loading]](https://senrey.neocities.org/Screenshot_1.png)
Mousesports is another institution with more 92k followers and that has teams to Fornite, PUBG, CS, Smite, SC2, League of Legends, Rainbow Six Sieges and others.
![[image loading]](https://senrey.neocities.org/01.png)
Did any of you question whether those who voted for them were "pure" members of the SC2 community? Did you do several post's as you thought it unfair? Did any of you create a post explaining how unfair it was to ask for votes that could come from others who have no legitimate interest in SC2?
Sorry for the long post (and my english, is not my native language), but I'm trying to understand your opinion. Because it seems a little hypocritical so far.
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On July 17 2018 09:13 2xBanned wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 07:41 geschlittert wrote:
You don't understand the problem. Not Kelazhur is more popular than Uthermal or Heromarine, Fallen and the other brazilian e-sport players are more popular. That's the reason why we are complaining. The poll was not decided by the community but by guys who had and have no clue about anything going on in Starcraft 2.
Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 08:17 StabiloBoss20 wrote:
love if someone is arguing with "this is the truth und you have to accept this"....
i voted for kelazhur earlier on. i dont blame him at all how things developed. im fine with this beeing a popular vote. Nevertheless i think only starcraft interessted poeple should be allowed to vote. and no "grow up" shit will change that. talking about democracy you should consider, that foreign people are also not allowed to vote in a political election. and that's for a good reason. i guess most of the vote came from people who are foreigners to the starcraft scene.
and yes, in this case i only repect the opinion of people who are somehow interested in starcraft. Did any of you question whether those who voted for them were "pure" members of the SC2 community? Did you do several post's as you thought it unfair? Did any of you create a post explaining how unfair it was to ask for votes that could come from others who have no legitimate interest in SC2? Sorry for the long post (and my english, is not my native language), but I'm trying to understand your opinion. Because it seems a little hypocritical so far.
I see your point. The reason I've complained about some problems and not others is I can only notice some of them clearly in the results.
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Anyone interested enough to vote, regardless of whether they've been longtime viewers, is a good vote. More new viewers would be a good thing.
That said, go Has!
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I'm not shaking with rage or anything, but I do think it's a shame that these SC2-specific votes can be so heavily influenced by the people that don't watch.
My point of view is this: It's good for the scene if the outside voters actually watch and gain interest in SC2 as a result. It's bad for the scene if a crowd of people comes and votes for whoever their organization told them to vote for and then leaves - the actual fan favorite players don't make it in and people who are already SC2 fans lose some interest.
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On July 17 2018 10:43 Kitai wrote:
I'm not shaking with rage or anything, but I do think it's a shame that these SC2-specific votes can be so heavily influenced by the people that don't watch.
My point of view is this: It's good for the scene if the outside voters actually watch and gain interest in SC2 as a result. It's bad for the scene if a crowd of people comes and votes for whoever their organization told them to vote for and then leaves - the actual fan favorite players don't make it in and people who are already SC2 fans lose some interest.
Pulling numbers out of my ass here, but I'd be surprised even if 10% of the BR Kelazhur voters showed up on game day.
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SMH people say kelazhur is not popular.
Maybe not on TL and Reddit. These two websites are completely euro/us centric. Yeah no wonder an SA player is not popular here.
Even if I voted for him, I still would support and cheer any player that would had won.
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On July 17 2018 11:36 Trizz wrote:
Pulling numbers out of my ass here, but I'd be surprised even if 10% of the BR Kelazhur voters showed up on game day.
I would guess so, too. At least from the "vote train" (he had about 500 i think? "real" fan (ppl who actually watch sc2) votes before, these ppl will most likely watch).
If it turns out i'm wrong und brazil viewership will increase heavily during GSL vs. the world i would be happy of course ... but i just don't see this coming.
Starcraft community is smaller compared to cs:go, LoL and so on ... so yeah, things like this can happen. As i said earlier, hopefully blizzard will learn something from it for upcoming events.
I remember the cast from Valencia before the match HeroMarine against uThermal, when the Caster Desk was talking about the importance of that match, including the gsl vs. the world voting, where it was a close race between the two of them. What an irony 
Would like it if the would make fun of "votings" like this in the future. But maybe that's to ballsy for an official Blizzard Event ...
In the end you have to accept the result, of course. But that doesn't mean you have to like it, especially under such cirmumstances. I personally would have preferred Mana .. but i can totally understand that Has' Valencia success und playstyle created a hype train for him. Cause that hype train came from fans of the scene.
Kela's votes didn't, it's as simple as that. (and yeah, it was legal and totally allowed with this voting mechanism ... i don't deny that although i would argue the legit part ...).
And no matter how many people will come up with such precious arguments like "grow up!" etc. ... that's simply a fact nobody can deny.
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On July 17 2018 08:52 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 08:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I'm sorry for you and respect your opinion, but the fan voting event is open to everyone. If Blizzard did not want it that way, it would have kept the old format. If Blizz wanted something more competitive he would have chosen the players through a tournament. I am not saying that your case, but it is extremely unfair with players being accused of using bots, lacking the qualifications and skills to play in this tournament among many other things. This revealed a part of the community that is toxic and I thought we had already passed this stage and it would be great for SC2 to gain more visibility because it is an excellent game. A simple proof of this is that the Brazilian SC2 community on Facebook has increased thanks to this disclosure. I'm happy for this. I don't think Blizzard considered that something like this could happen. And I don't know what is toxic about being unhappy with it. The voting system was supposed to get the most popular players to the event. Kelazhur isn't the most popular foreign terran, before the tweets he was well behind Heromarine and Uthermal. He surpassed them because popular guys advertised for him not because he himself is that popular. It's not about hating on Kelazhur, it's that based on popularity (which this was about) he shouldn't get in over the other 2 terrans.
It is toxuc when people make claims about bots and the voting system that are simply personal opinions. If Kelazhur can`t win the voting why is his name there? Did he get votes from other sources? Sure. However, calling that unfair when the voting is held in teamliquid with TL players involved is batlant hypocrisy.
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Good for Kelazhur for rallying his national esports compatriots. Doesn't mean I have to root for him. Honestly I hope he gets completely crushed and bm'd, which is likely as I don't think his condition is anywhere close to where it was last year or especially 2016. I didn't vote for Heromarine or Uthermal either.
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I don't want be that guy, but the terran vote seems off, it doesn't have to be, but it seems like it with kelazhur alone having as many votes as the whole zerg poll. But if it is legit congratulations kelazhur.
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On July 17 2018 16:04 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 08:52 Charoisaur wrote:On July 17 2018 08:00 2xBanned wrote:On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote:
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy. I'm sorry for you and respect your opinion, but the fan voting event is open to everyone. If Blizzard did not want it that way, it would have kept the old format. If Blizz wanted something more competitive he would have chosen the players through a tournament. I am not saying that your case, but it is extremely unfair with players being accused of using bots, lacking the qualifications and skills to play in this tournament among many other things. This revealed a part of the community that is toxic and I thought we had already passed this stage and it would be great for SC2 to gain more visibility because it is an excellent game. A simple proof of this is that the Brazilian SC2 community on Facebook has increased thanks to this disclosure. I'm happy for this. I don't think Blizzard considered that something like this could happen. And I don't know what is toxic about being unhappy with it. The voting system was supposed to get the most popular players to the event. Kelazhur isn't the most popular foreign terran, before the tweets he was well behind Heromarine and Uthermal. He surpassed them because popular guys advertised for him not because he himself is that popular. It's not about hating on Kelazhur, it's that based on popularity (which this was about) he shouldn't get in over the other 2 terrans. It is toxuc when people make claims about bots and the voting system that are simply personal opinions. If Kelazhur can`t win the voting why is his name there? Did he get votes from other sources? Sure. However, calling that unfair when the voting is held in teamliquid with TL players involved is batlant hypocrisy.
The botting accusations came before we knew that big esports personalities advertised for him which is completely understandable
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Why is china the only country that has a rep? Just curious
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On July 17 2018 17:12 jackelpobelope wrote:
Why is china the only country that has a rep? Just curious
Probably so China doesn't completely hijack the polls and cause landslide victories for their players.
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On July 17 2018 17:25 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 17:12 jackelpobelope wrote:
Why is china the only country that has a rep? Just curious Probably so China doesn't completely hijack the polls and cause landslide victories for their players.
Yeah that would make sense. Didn't think of the population difference, thanks.
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Let's summarize:
Stuff like Khelazurs vote push can happen in such a vote and there is nobody to blame about it but it's still understandable that the outcome is considered as unfair by many because of not being representative of popularity within the SC2-Community or of sucess in the game itself.
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I think this is intended to select the players who get more votes, and it is exactly what happened.
If they are then the most popular among the SC2 dedicated fans or not, that is not controllable by this vote, so there's not much one can complain *after* the vote took place.
I understand your critiques, but maybe they should be addressed at changing / improving the poll for the next time, since this time everything went according to the rules.
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On July 17 2018 17:12 jackelpobelope wrote:
Why is china the only country that has a rep? Just curious
Probably because they can apply for a visa much earlier than the rest (and it is much harder to get one from China than almost anywhere else in the world.)
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On July 17 2018 06:37 rotta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2018 06:08 Executer08 wrote:On July 16 2018 23:38 Elentos wrote:On July 16 2018 23:15 Executer08 wrote:On July 15 2018 06:48 rotta wrote:On July 15 2018 04:37 sunnyshine wrote:On July 15 2018 03:44 rotta wrote:
How come Has didn't get China's slot if they want him so badly? Don't think Has was involved in getting the chinese slot, afaik since Has is taiwanese he goes through the normal voting system. Yeah, looks like WCS is still pretty inconsistent with the whole Taiwan/Taipei mess. how is it inconsistent? They call it "Chinese Taipei" to cater to China but treat it as a separate WCS region i dont see how not trying to get involved in those specific politics, especially as taiwan isnt officially recognized by the US anyway afaik, makes this inconsistent. it has a seperate name and is a seperate region and, as i said before, it has been like this for a long time if not forever, so i dont see any inconsistency whatsoever. They still keep using both names and flags.
where? i dont remember seeing both anywhere
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