On July 17 2018 04:10 Musicus wrote: I mean a vote sucks anyway, now that Kelagod got the support of some famous non-sc2 people it might suck a tiny bit more, but overall it doesn't change much imo. TL could also get their LoL team to tweet about this or mouz their CS squad, but in the end the brazilian esports scene seems more tight-knit and passionate.
We can all agree that we all want qualifiers. Everything else will always be unfair. Maybe next year.
I mean if it's all about the show and making it a popularity contest, that's fine. The part where it gets annoying for me is when I look at the prize pool of GSL vs the World last year. Almost 100,000 $ on the line in a tournament where half the players are in based solely on popular appeal.
If they want to keep GSL vs the World the way it is, vote and everything, I'd rather they cut down the prize pool for the 1v1 competition and make another true Global event happen. Though we're already short one of those compared to last year.
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Where are you seeing any of this?
scroll through, you'll see it.
Sorry to say this, bu yout clearly have no idea what you talk about. No seriously i mean it. You havent scrolled thru any of the pages, maybe you have, but you havent read them.
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Is there a place or a line where the way the vote works is stated? I mean, if there is, I couldn't see it. I couldn't see any indication about how the vote works, for example something like: "You can express 3 preferences, 1 for each race. To declare your vote you will have to write a comment on this post". I think you should had this somewhere, it would make everything clearer and simpler. If such "rules" are already explained somewhere and I've missed them, my bad. BB
On July 15 2018 03:44 rotta wrote: How come Has didn't get China's slot if they want him so badly?
Don't think Has was involved in getting the chinese slot, afaik since Has is taiwanese he goes through the normal voting system.
Yeah, looks like WCS is still pretty inconsistent with the whole Taiwan/Taipei mess.
how is it inconsistent?
They call it "Chinese Taipei" to cater to China but treat it as a separate WCS region
i dont see how not trying to get involved in those specific politics, especially as taiwan isnt officially recognized by the US anyway afaik, makes this inconsistent. it has a seperate name and is a seperate region and, as i said before, it has been like this for a long time if not forever, so i dont see any inconsistency whatsoever.
On July 15 2018 03:44 rotta wrote: How come Has didn't get China's slot if they want him so badly?
Don't think Has was involved in getting the chinese slot, afaik since Has is taiwanese he goes through the normal voting system.
Yeah, looks like WCS is still pretty inconsistent with the whole Taiwan/Taipei mess.
how is it inconsistent?
They call it "Chinese Taipei" to cater to China but treat it as a separate WCS region
i dont see how not trying to get involved in those specific politics, especially as taiwan isnt officially recognized by the US anyway afaik, makes this inconsistent. it has a seperate name and is a seperate region and, as i said before, it has been like this for a long time if not forever, so i dont see any inconsistency whatsoever.
It's probably not possible to start a similar campaign for Heromarine because we don't have this "yeah, we could do it at least once - german pride!"-situation. Infact germany is quite successful in esports and in sports overall, so seeing a german player in GSL vs. the world wouldn't be such a huge thing (for big Gabe it would be, of course). I mean, we already have Showtime
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Thank you, Sir.
Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event.
Official Statement from Blizzard (last year):
We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match.
And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way.
Is there a place or a line where the way the vote works is stated? I mean, if there is, I couldn't see it. I couldn't see any indication about how the vote works, for example something like: "You can express 3 preferences, 1 for each race. To declare your vote you will have to write a comment on this post". I think you should had this somewhere, it would make everything clearer and simpler. If such "rules" are already explained somewhere and I've missed them, my bad. BB
In case you still have not figured it out, the voting is on the very first post of this thread.
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Thank you, Sir.
Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event.
We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match.
And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way.
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy.
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Thank you, Sir.
Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event.
Official Statement from Blizzard (last year):
We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match.
And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way.
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy.
I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them,
In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want.
That's just a truth you need to accept.
Here's another truth you need to accept.
It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people."
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Thank you, Sir.
Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event.
Official Statement from Blizzard (last year):
We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match.
And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way.
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy.
I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them,
In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want.
That's just a truth you need to accept.
Here's another truth you need to accept.
It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people."
That's not what this is about.
You don't understand the problem. Not Kelazhur is more popular than Uthermal or Heromarine, Fallen and the other brazilian e-sport players are more popular. That's the reason why we are complaining. The poll was not decided by the community but by guys who had and have no clue about anything going on in Starcraft 2.
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Thank you, Sir.
Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event.
Official Statement from Blizzard (last year):
We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease as participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match.
And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way.
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy.
I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them,
In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want.
That's just a truth you need to accept.
Here's another truth you need to accept.
It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people."
That's not what this is about.
I think there's a huge difference. Scarlett is a very popular player and gets a lot of votes from her fans. Even though I don't want her to win, at least her fans get to watch her play at the event.
Kelazhur wins by getting a ton of votes from people who don't give a shit about starcraft and I assume most or a large portion won't watch the event at all.
I wont bother comment about the democracy side of it or the system or how fair it is, I'm just saying this from my perspective as a viewer.
On July 17 2018 07:28 11cc wrote: I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy.
I'm sorry for you and respect your opinion, but the fan voting event is open to everyone. If Blizzard did not want it that way, it would have kept the old format. If Blizz wanted something more competitive he would have chosen the players through a tournament.
I am not saying that your case, but it is extremely unfair with players being accused of using bots, lacking the qualifications and skills to play in this tournament among many other things. This revealed a part of the community that is toxic and I thought we had already passed this stage and it would be great for SC2 to gain more visibility because it is an excellent game.
A simple proof of this is that the Brazilian SC2 community on Facebook has increased thanks to this disclosure. I'm happy for this.
Voted for Nerchio because he was cool back in the day, and Probe because most people named after the lowest unit are entertaining, although Has would be fine because cannons
On July 17 2018 04:59 Vindicare605 wrote: Honestly this thread is so embarassing. Honestly it is. You guys call yourselves Starcraft fans and then will immediately switch gears to shit on a player just because he's winning a popular vote.
Grow up. If you don't like the vote in system let Blizzard know about it and tell them you'd rather have qualifiers next year. Stop shitting on the players winning the votes just because they don't play the way you like or come from a country you want them to come from.
Seriously. Grow up.
Thank you, Sir.
Last year many complained and suggested the blizzard that the votes should be open to everyone, after all it was a Fan Voting Event.
Official Statement from Blizzard (last year):
We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
What I find most interesting is that until few days ago no one was complaining about the voting system. There was no post about injustice in the selection of players or if who could vote would be just starcraft members x days / post. Or worse, how to be sure who voted will watch the match.
And it's not just about Kelazhur, there are people complaining about the way Has plays. He managed to reach the final and yet some people try to disqualify him. Although they are few people, but they are noisy... It is very sad and a little insane, to see how some say they are fans and treat the players that way.
I wasn't complaining because even though I didn't like the results, they at least made sense. I want Elazer to win, but Scarlett is the more popular player so she wins the popularity contest. It sucks for me, but people who want to see Scarlett play in the tourney get what they want so I'm happy for them at least.
Kelazhur winning doesn't make sense to me. I'll feel annoyed watching him play at the event because I'll feel the people who voted for him forced this on me and meanwhile they're playing or watching CSGO or Fortnite or whatever other game they enjoy.
I find it funny that you're separating Scarlett and Kelazhur when there is literally no difference between them,
In this poll in this particular poll, they are more popular than the guy you want.
That's just a truth you need to accept.
Here's another truth you need to accept.
It doesn't matter WHO is voting for them to get into the tournament. That's not how democracy works. The minute you start criticizing WHO is voting in an online poll, what you are ACTUALLY saying is, "I only respect the opinion of certain kinds of people."
That's not what this is about.
love if someone is arguing with "this is the truth und you have to accept this"....
i voted for kelazhur earlier on. i dont blame him at all how things developed. im fine with this beeing a popular vote. Nevertheless i think only starcraft interessted poeple should be allowed to vote. and no "grow up" shit will change that. talking about democracy you should consider, that foreign people are also not allowed to vote in a political election. and that's for a good reason. i guess most of the vote came from people who are foreigners to the starcraft scene. and yes, in this case i only repect the opinion of people who are somehow interested in starcraft.
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