EPTByuL to retire from SC2 - Page 3
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seopthi
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NaYa1
4 Posts
Community now: Blizz hello? Koreans? Region Lock.. oh.. | ||
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Oozono Momoko
2 Posts
On June 22 2018 05:50 deacon.frost wrote: It's not like NOW CAN THE VERY BEST PLAY OUTSIDE OF KOREA!!!! Fair rules to everyone, not discriminating Koreans would be nice since their scene is dying ATM. Their scene is dying because Koreans don't watch SC2, it has nothing to do with region lock. I actually care about saving the careers of top Korean pros which is why I think Blizzard should stop wasting money on the GSL which gets a fraction of the viewership of WCS Circuit events, and replace it with WCS Challenger Korea which will allow Koreans to qualify for WCS Circuit events in the same manner as international players and of course play in the open brackets. They could use the money from GSL Code S, Super Tournament, and GSL vs The World to add more WCS Circuit Events. The only reason Blizzard supports the GSL is because of it's symbolic status as a premier SC2 tournament, not because it financially makes sense to do so or because it somehow benefits the scene. If blizzard really cared about creating a healthy long term SC2 scene rather than just symbolic victories, they would have used war chest money (which was in the millions of dollars) to create more tournaments and to increase WCS Challenger prize pools rather than wasting it on absurdly top heavy prize pools that resulted in the top few players earning hundreds of thousands of dollars while the rest earned a tiny fraction of that. It's clear to any objective observer that Blizzard is just hoping to end the SC2 competitive scene with a bang rather than doing what is necessary for long term viability which would require a much more even distribution of prize money that would allow rising talent to realistically earn a living while acquiring the tournament experience necessary to grow into a future top finisher. Since someone is going to nitpick some individual thing that I said that was inaccurate I'm going to sum up the gist of what I'm saying which is what is important, not the individual ideas, which obviously need more work. A viable long term SC2 competitive scene is one where a large number of pros, not just the very top ones, can earn a real living playing SC2. In 2017 the top earning player made $374,127 while the 32nd player earned $19,505. That is not what a viable long term competitive scene looks like. That is wasting money on already successful players rather than using it to grow the scene. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
 So sad he never got his big win, but honestly in the last few years it seems his heart wasn't into it to much. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On June 22 2018 06:34 Oozono Momoko wrote: I actually care about saving the careers of top Korean pros which is why I think Blizzard should stop wasting money on the GSL which gets a fraction of the viewership of WCS Circuit events The GSL days that are not completely terrible for NA/SA viewers have comparable viewership to WCS Circuit events. I can't speak to the other days since I only ever catch the tail end of those when I wake up at 5-5:30 a.m. On June 22 2018 06:34 Oozono Momoko wrote: If blizzard really cared about creating a healthy long term SC2 scene rather than just symbolic victories, they would have used war chest money (which was in the millions of dollars) to create more tournaments and to increase WCS Challenger prize pools rather than wasting it on absurdly top heavy prize pools that resulted in the top few players earning hundreds of thousands of dollars while the rest earned a tiny fraction of that. It's clear to any objective observer that Blizzard is just hoping to end the SC2 competitive scene with a bang rather than doing what is necessary for long term viability which would require a much more even distribution of prize money that would allow rising talent to realistically earn a living while acquiring the tournament experience necessary to grow into a future top finisher. The distribution of prize money is problematic for sustaining a healthy scene and ballooning the prize pools of the WCS Global Finals (the best of the best players) and Katowice definitely didn't help. | ||
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Psychobabas
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aringadingding
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geokilla
Canada8255 Posts
Good luck ByuL. Wish you all the best in life. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 22 2018 06:34 Oozono Momoko wrote: Their scene is dying because Koreans don't watch SC2, it has nothing to do with region lock. I actually care about saving the careers of top Korean pros which is why I think Blizzard should stop wasting money on the GSL which gets a fraction of the viewership of WCS Circuit events, and replace it with WCS Challenger Korea which will allow Koreans to qualify for WCS Circuit events in the same manner as international players and of course play in the open brackets. They could use the money from GSL Code S, Super Tournament, and GSL vs The World to add more WCS Circuit Events. The only reason Blizzard supports the GSL is because of it's symbolic status as a premier SC2 tournament, not because it financially makes sense to do so or because it somehow benefits the scene. If blizzard really cared about creating a healthy long term SC2 scene rather than just symbolic victories, they would have used war chest money (which was in the millions of dollars) to create more tournaments and to increase WCS Challenger prize pools rather than wasting it on absurdly top heavy prize pools that resulted in the top few players earning hundreds of thousands of dollars while the rest earned a tiny fraction of that. It's clear to any objective observer that Blizzard is just hoping to end the SC2 competitive scene with a bang rather than doing what is necessary for long term viability which would require a much more even distribution of prize money that would allow rising talent to realistically earn a living while acquiring the tournament experience necessary to grow into a future top finisher. Since someone is going to nitpick some individual thing that I said that was inaccurate I'm going to sum up the gist of what I'm saying which is what is important, not the individual ideas, which obviously need more work. A viable long term SC2 competitive scene is one where a large number of pros, not just the very top ones, can earn a real living playing SC2. In 2017 the top earning player made $374,127 while the 32nd player earned $19,505. That is not what a viable long term competitive scene looks like. That is wasting money on already successful players rather than using it to grow the scene. its not normal for a game develper to be the only sponsor for all the tournaments its how big of a fail its become a healthy game has sponsors not the game developer sponsoring everything | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2665 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1081 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On June 22 2018 10:25 Lexender wrote: People blaming foreigners in GSL, you don't really think players can live off GSL alone do you? With how top heavy Code S is theres very few players that make enough to live off premier earnings, most have other ways of surviving. Look at Keen Who plays in literaly every online cup theres is, organizado SuperNova who despite not qualifying lives off streaming. Can they live solely off a ro32 earnings? Probably not. Does $2814 really help that? Absolutely. How many small time online tournament wins is that? 30? 50? They'd have to pull in that much on top of what they'd be earning otherwise. As for the financial situations of other players, unless you know all of the details of their life, it is hard to say that another player can just do the same. If Player X's family is helping support them while they try to make their dream reality but Player Y's family is not, then Player Y doesn't have the same range of options as Player X. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2018 10:36 Arghmyliver wrote: As Wolf said (Happy Birthday btw?) - Hopefully this tweet is as knee-jerk as the posts in here about "foreigners stealing jobs" (c'mon guys really? I live in the US, we've got enough people spouting that horseshit already). If not, much respect to a great player and a storied career. GGs ByuL! Well in this case it's an actual fact. Neeb got into GSL by knocking out ByuL. ByuL has said he's retiring in response. Whether Neeb being in GSL is a good or bad thing is of course up for debate. But as far as the "foreigners stealing spots/prize money" claims go, this is a blatant example. | ||
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Boggyb
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dummy1
420 Posts
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blardoh
20 Posts
Sounds like you're buttmad he lost to non koreans. User was warned for this post | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
On June 22 2018 10:43 Fango wrote: Well in this case it's an actual fact. Neeb got into GSL by knocking out ByuL. ByuL has said he's retiring in response. Whether Neeb being in GSL is a good or bad thing is of course up for debate. But as far as the "foreigners stealing spots/prize money" claims go, this is a blatant example. I mean yes...and no. Did Neeb take a spot that Byul would have liked? For sure. But was Byul's overall form and mindset one that would have continued much longer? I think probably not. He lost to PartinG....whose PvZ has been said to be pretty bad. Byul has been underperforming lately, and whether or not he got into Code S probably would have only delayed the inevitable. | ||
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