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On April 05 2018 21:51 Charoisaur wrote: This is weird. Either Noregret owes them money or not there's not really room for misunderstanding (except maybe about the exact sum). If Noregret in fact owes them this amount of money then there's nothing wrong with this tax. Just wondering if one side is intentionally lying about this.
If Jake owes Rif money, why would the tax be okay then?
I don't thinnk the $1,500 paid for all 10 or 12 computers in the house. It's impossible say if any or which player uses equipment Rifkin paid for. It's not even the same house anymore, so any deposit or startup cost of the current house has nothing to do with BTTV anymore.
It's a completely personal issues about an old debt between Rifkin and Jake. Why should a player like Lambo that just moved there a week ago lose prize money if he plays a BTTV event? Just doesn't make sense to me.
You should all side with the players and not Rifkin, I'm just saying. It's been made clear they were not notified of the fact that they would have to pay. Rifkin is a desperate neckbeard at this point, just stick to the facts. This is an arrow to the knee of BTTV, because the fat man got too greedy. That's what happens if you attempt to bullshit people post factum.
On April 05 2018 22:03 Derpherpello wrote: You should all side with the players and not Rifkin, I'm just saying. It's been made clear they were not notified of the fact that they would have to pay. Rifkin is a desperate neckbeard at this point, just stick to the facts. This is an arrow to the knee of BTTV, because the fat man got too greedy. That's what happens if you attempt to bullshit people post factum.
Please don't throw around insults or this thread will be closed!
On April 05 2018 21:51 Charoisaur wrote: This is weird. Either Noregret owes them money or not there's not really room for misunderstanding (except maybe about the exact sum). If Noregret in fact owes them this amount of money then there's nothing wrong with this tax. Just wondering if one side is intentionally lying about this.
If Jake owes Rif money, why would the tax be okay then?
I don't thinnk the $1,500 paid for all 10 or 12 computers in the house. It's impossible say if any or which player uses equipment Rifkin paid for. It's not even the same house anymore, so any deposit or startup cost of the current house has nothing to do with BTTV anymore.
It's a completely personal issues about an old debt between Rifkin and Jake. Why should a player like Lambo that just moved there a week ago lose prize money if he plays a BTTV event? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Well Jake runs the foreigner house and IF he intentionally withhold payments to Rifkin then Lambo would basically be supporting a deceiver by participating in his project.
Apparently it's just a misunderstanding though in which case Rikin should just clear this up with Jake before punishing other people.
@Musicus grow a pair, he's trying to punish others for his own incompetence now You should call shit for what it's worth. What he's doing is a PR disaster and a failure comparable only to a failed double proxy hatch
All I can say about all of this..... nothing good can come from this kind of petty stuff being public.
It doesn't look good from anyone involved, and I'm certain that people involved it would have preferred to avoid getting involved in ANOTHER scandal over seemingly insiginifcant amounts of money.
It just looks bad, and none of it is surprising to those of us that follow the scene closely,
On April 05 2018 21:51 Charoisaur wrote: This is weird. Either Noregret owes them money or not there's not really room for misunderstanding (except maybe about the exact sum). If Noregret in fact owes them this amount of money then there's nothing wrong with this tax. Just wondering if one side is intentionally lying about this.
If Jake owes Rif money, why would the tax be okay then?
I don't thinnk the $1,500 paid for all 10 or 12 computers in the house. It's impossible say if any or which player uses equipment Rifkin paid for. It's not even the same house anymore, so any deposit or startup cost of the current house has nothing to do with BTTV anymore.
It's a completely personal issues about an old debt between Rifkin and Jake. Why should a player like Lambo that just moved there a week ago lose prize money if he plays a BTTV event? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Well Jake runs the foreigner house and IF he intentionally withhold payments to Rifkin then Lambo would basically be supporting a deceiver by participating in his project.
Apparently it's just a misunderstanding though in which case Rikin should just clear this up with Jake before punishing other people.
Even if Jake owed Rif money, as long as a players doesn't use equipment that belongs to Rif I really don't see a problem. Well let's hope something good comes form this and they unblocked each other and are working on a solution privately.
Still don't think a tax that blanket targets all players in a house which might have some equipment that Rif paid for is correct. $1,500 could not have paid for all that much.
I don't completely understand what happened and also don't know the contract of course.
First impression is however, if BTTV/Rifkin paid for equipment it should be his unless he said explicitly he was giving it away. Instead of the other way round, that BTTV has to state explicitly, they are not giving it away.
On April 05 2018 22:20 DSh1 wrote: I don't completely understand what happened and also don't know the contract of course.
First impression is however, if BTTV/Rifkin paid for equipment it should be his unless he said explicitly he was giving it away. Instead of the other way round, that BTTV has to state explicitly, they are not giving it away.
I definitely tend to agree with this, just don't agree with the player tax.
On April 05 2018 21:53 Scarlett` wrote: rifkin demanded us to ship these items back to him at our own expense, which we were under no obligation to do
Simply untrue
This was back when we still had a positive relationship I was willing to send you an excess monitor we had despite not being obligated to do so, As time went on our relationship got worse and you refused to fix any issues we had unresolved including the $12,000 USD you kept from the mathcherino we joint supported. At this point I no longer felt it to be reasonable to send you something I wasn't obligated to do.
On April 05 2018 22:20 DSh1 wrote: I don't completely understand what happened and also don't know the contract of course.
First impression is however, if BTTV/Rifkin paid for equipment it should be his unless he said explicitly he was giving it away. Instead of the other way round, that BTTV has to state explicitly, they are not giving it away.
I definitely tend to agree with this, just don't agree with the player tax.
Why do you have problem with the Tax? Its BTTV tournaments, its their money and their time invested, they can make any kind of rules they see fit. And since NoRegret for whatever reason does not want to return the investment (or lets call it good faith gesture) made by BTTV they are getting back the money another way, legal and clean way.
I don't like Rifkin very much, but he is not the bad guy here, at least not because of the Tax
On April 05 2018 22:20 DSh1 wrote: I don't completely understand what happened and also don't know the contract of course.
First impression is however, if BTTV/Rifkin paid for equipment it should be his unless he said explicitly he was giving it away. Instead of the other way round, that BTTV has to state explicitly, they are not giving it away.
I definitely tend to agree with this, just don't agree with the player tax.
Why do you have problem with the Tax? Its BTTV tournaments, its their money and their time invested, they can make any kind of rules they see fit. And since NoRegret for whatever reason does not want to return the investment (or lets call it good faith gesture) made by BTTV they are getting back the money another way, legal and clean way.
I don't like Rifkin very much, but he is not the bad guy here, like at all
It's so weird to withhold prize money from whichever players are currently living in the house. The players just have nothing to do with this. Sure they (BTTV) can do it, but people don't have to be happy with it.
On April 05 2018 22:33 niggerkiller9000 wrote: @MarianoSC2 it's not the tax taht is the problem, it's the fact that it's been imposed on players without thair consent beforehand
What? So basically BTTV or well, Rifkin is asking the 10 percent tax retrospectively? I thought they had this rule applied and players new about it and still attended the Tournies, just got 10percent less money. That would be completely fine.
But if they didn't know, and now they have to pay back some of the prize money, then that is just ridiculous, isn't it?
after refusing to send equipment he was requesting which was equipment I never even purchased with his only investment into this house over the course of 1 year. He threatened to sue me and notified my team. At this point I blocked him because I felt this would never be concluded and that what he was doing was just harassment. He would constantly tell my team things like the lawsuit is underway but they were very supportive of me.
On April 05 2018 22:33 niggerkiller9000 wrote: @MarianoSC2 it's not the tax taht is the problem, it's the fact that it's been imposed on players without thair consent beforehand
What? So basically BTTV or well, Rifkin is asking the 10 percent tax retrospectively? I thought they had this rule applied and players new about it and still attended the Tournies, just got 10percent less money. That would be completely fine.
But if they didn't know, and now they have to pay back some of the prize money, then that is just ridiculous, isn't it?
I don't think they have to pay back money, they just got less money than they should've and didn't know about it. Had the players read the rules back in december, I guess the "drama" would've happened back then. Maybe some kind of boycott. Instead players just kept playing BTTV tournaments without knowning that a part of their winnings was being withheld and used to pay back Jake's alleged debt.
I wonder if it's worth it for both parties to burn those bridges for 1500$ (probably more like 1200 USD). Hope this gets solved without more drama. I personnaly don't feel like this whole thing is worth 1500$ of shitty pcs and shitty furniture.
Well at some point progamers and community personalities will understand that dealing with Basetrade TV always ends up in drama. And when i mean BTTV, i mean Rifkin. Not taking sides referring to the multiple instances of drama/BS related to BTTV in the last years, which don't really interest me. I'm just baffled that anyone would get involved with him at this point.
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