EPThttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/532710-basetradetv-and-noregret-disagreement-escalates?page=11#216
Update 2: Scarlett adds her view:
On April 05 2018 21:53 Scarlett` wrote:
Me and other players were never notified of this '10% tax'; and as far as I know has not happened up until now (me, sortof, dns, etc) have played in his tournaments since the beginning of december
The money was an investment from basetrade into the house, invoiced as 'house startup costs' when we were buying beds/chairs/1 monitor for the house at the start of 2017, then labeled 'the basetradetv house', and there was nothing indicating this money was to be returned when the house ended (given the exposure the house generated, etc)
After we moved to a new place at the end of 2017 without basetrade involvement, rifkin demanded us to ship these items back to him at our own expense, which we were under no obligation to do, and has since threatened to sue over this
Me and other players were never notified of this '10% tax'; and as far as I know has not happened up until now (me, sortof, dns, etc) have played in his tournaments since the beginning of december
The money was an investment from basetrade into the house, invoiced as 'house startup costs' when we were buying beds/chairs/1 monitor for the house at the start of 2017, then labeled 'the basetradetv house', and there was nothing indicating this money was to be returned when the house ended (given the exposure the house generated, etc)
After we moved to a new place at the end of 2017 without basetrade involvement, rifkin demanded us to ship these items back to him at our own expense, which we were under no obligation to do, and has since threatened to sue over this
Rikfin responds
And NoRegreT responds
Update: Rifkin clarified that the Project Unity change to the BTTV rules was made back in December.
On April 05 2018 20:57 BasetradeTV wrote:
Pasting my response from reddit here as well:
Unsure why this is being brought up now, considering the Unity Tax has been there since December.
The new information added was not this, but the strike system, which did not exist before.
There's a reason there hasn't been a public statement made, and why I won't be making a statement about this: Jake and I both signed a contract that includes a confidentiality clause in it. While he may not be willing to honour a contract, I am.
Pasting my response from reddit here as well:
Unsure why this is being brought up now, considering the Unity Tax has been there since December.
The new information added was not this, but the strike system, which did not exist before.
There's a reason there hasn't been a public statement made, and why I won't be making a statement about this: Jake and I both signed a contract that includes a confidentiality clause in it. While he may not be willing to honour a contract, I am.
Addition from Reddit:
Edit: After reading most of this thread, I feel comfortable addressing the "collective punishment" complaint. Whether you agree or disagree the reasonining is as follows: unless proven otherwise, folks are being punished for using (my) stolen equipment to compete in (my) tournaments.
Response from NoRegreT:
you never mentioned to any of the players that you'd be taking 10% of their earnings, You invested money into the house so that our house could operate under your name. When the house ends, We were not under any obligation to return the investment. Most of the players aren't even using this equipment.
Rifkin about being blocked by both NoRegreT and Scarlett and being unable to resolve the issue privately
Since you edited your reply from something really childish to something decent, I'll reward you with a reply, but this will be the only reply I give to you, and I'm only doing it to raise awareness on how this escalated due to your actions, if you want to discuss anything with me you may feel free to unblock & contact me privately.
I personally attempted to reach out to any of the people that were going to be affected by this, primarily you and Scarlett, only to find I was blocked from communication by both of you. This could have been resolved, or confined, or gone down another way with some discussion. Or maybe it wouldn't, but we'll never know because you prevented that from happening.
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I personally attempted to reach out to any of the people that were going to be affected by this, primarily you and Scarlett, only to find I was blocked from communication by both of you. This could have been resolved, or confined, or gone down another way with some discussion. Or maybe it wouldn't, but we'll never know because you prevented that from happening.
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Orinal Post:
Jake "NoRegreT" Umpleby is known for his great success at running a training house in Korea, which is mostly filled with foreign players. The "Project Unity" was not always known as such and started off as the "BasetradeTV House".
In the meantime the house is no longer sponsored by BTTV, but there are still unresolved issues from that time. NoRegreT has been accused of stealing computers, which have been paid for by BTTV, and using them in the new facilities of "Project Unity" without reimbursing BTTV.
This topic had first been discussed in public on Dankshrine Ep. 56 (timestamped at 58m22s).
While the allegations came from an anonymous accuser, recent rule changes (Edit: The Project Unity rule change was actually made in December, the recent changes are about a new punishment system http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqg8p2) from BasetradeTV regarding Project Unity clearly imply that it was the owner of BasetradeTV, Graham "Rifkin" Rogers.
BasetradeTV says that NoRegreT owes them a debt of $1,500 USD, whether this is for the computers or something else is unclear. The interesting part is, that BTTV intends to cut the prize money won by any player, competing in BTTV events from the Project Unity house, by 10%, until the debt of $1,500 USD has been paid.
Any player competing from the "Foreigner House" (aka "Project Unity") will have a 10% reduction to any prizing won from BaseTradeTV organized events, until a 'resolution cap' of $1,500 USD, a debt owed by the manager of the house, Jake "NoRegreT" Umpleby, has been repaid
On Dankeshrine NoRegreT says that the dispute is over house startup costs and wether they were to be returned or not, but that certainly nothing was stolen. Most of the money had gone into beds and desks instead of computers.
Today NoRegret claimed again that he does not owe BTTV any money and he is working on resolving the issue for the players.
While it is impossible for the public to know who is right or wrong, the approach from BTTV to let unrelated players pay for the debt, allegedly owed by NoRegreT, seems very questionable.
