EPTBasetradeTV and NoRegreT disagreement escalates - Page 12
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Starting from Page 11 and onward, if anyone talks about how Blizzard, TOs, and sponsors should no longer support BTTV and Rifkin, you will be temp banned. This adds NOTHING productive to the discussion and only makes the community look immature. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/532710-basetradetv-and-noregret-disagreement-escalates?page=11#216 Additionally, this post deserves to be publicly noticed. | ||
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ChiefsSC
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HotDOSBuns
Canada172 Posts
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BisuDagger
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NoRegreT_
Canada16 Posts
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KGssv2
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On April 08 2018 09:24 DSK wrote: This issue should now be resolved. As I have stated, I have paid the amount of $1500 on behalf of NoRegreT and have spoke to BTTV about this. Thank you so much for this! It's sad that the issue got to a point where the community had to step in. But that being said, it is fantastic to see someone in the community take initiative and present such generosity. Not sure that we deserve you, but boy am I glad we have you! | ||
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pvsnp
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DSK steps in and fixes everything, just like that. What a god. I'll buy you a beer (pint?) if I ever get the chance. | ||
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ChristianS
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amyamyamy
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iMrising
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
sriously, what a literal god | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
This is the easy, sloppy way to try to end things, and it doesn't work for me. People have been threatened by someone for months... Instead of putting your feet down and calling out their bullshit, demanding better from everyone involved, you give into their demands, with no evidence that their demands and actions are justifiable, and try to make everyone sweep it under the rug just because you're tired of the drama? Sorry, but despite your generosity and your good intentions and your own desire for everyone to cooperate, I cannot genuinely applaud your actions. This was extortion. As far as I'm concerned, that money they just made is covered in dirt (read: obtained illegally/immorally). | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 08 2018 16:03 blunderfulguy wrote: You effectively just paid someone to stop harassing people, rewarding them for it. This isn't what stops situations like this from happening, it justifies that behavior and enables people to keep doing things like this. This is the easy, sloppy way to try to end things, and it doesn't work for me. People have been threatened by someone for months... Instead of putting your feet down and calling out their bullshit, demanding better from everyone involved, you give into their demands, with no evidence that their demands and actions are justifiable, and try to make everyone sweep it under the rug just because you're tired of the drama? Sorry, but despite your generosity and your good intentions and your own desire for everyone to cooperate, I cannot genuinely applaud your actions. This was extortion. As far as I'm concerned, that money they just made is covered in dirt (read: obtained illegally/immorally). You're assuming there is a good and a bad in this shit show. i just saw two wronged sides. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On April 08 2018 16:06 Mun_Su wrote: You're assuming there is a good and a bad in this shit show. i just saw two wronged sides. And, if both sides are at fault, one was given a giant cake and a party. Is that a good thing? | ||
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KGssv2
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On April 08 2018 16:15 blunderfulguy wrote: And, if both sides are at fault, one was given a giant cake and a party. Is that a good thing? Well...I guess that depends on how you look at it. NoRegret no longer faces potential legal action and the players don't have to endure the 10% tax anymore. Rifkin got what he wants (the $1500) and NoRegret got what he wants (not having to pay Rifkin). Of course, both sides wanted more, namely vindication, but at least the material aspect of the debate is resolved to both side's favour. . | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On April 08 2018 16:20 KGssv2 wrote: Well...I guess that depends on how you look at it. NoRegret no longer faces potential legal action and the players don't have to endure the 10% tax anymore. Rifkin got what he wants (the $1500) and NoRegret got what he wants (not having to pay Rifkin). Of course, both sides wanted more, namely vindication, but at least the material aspect of the debate is resolved to both side's favour. . Let's get it clear, the threat of legal action against NoRegreT and the abhorrent tax against the other players were (as far as anyone has been able to prove) nothing but harassment and extortion. Now Rifkin has the freedom to feel vindicated and the freedom to sweep that mess under the rug because a third party stepped in to attempt to resolve the dispute. I get that there a lot of perspectives, but there is still some black and white and red amidst the grey. *I'd also like to add that one party was rewarded (for their harassment) with money, and, in your argument, the other parties get the reward of "you won't be punished or threatened anymore". Think about that for a moment if you could, please. **Just for clarity: While the money is going into tournament prize pools and not directly to Rifkin, those tournaments with increased prize pools are still part of his business. | ||
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gnuoy00
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dicey
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On April 08 2018 16:39 blunderfulguy wrote: rewarded (for their harassment) with money, and, in your argument, the other parties get the reward of "you won't be punished or threatened anymore" Stuff about image&appearances and professionalism aside. You're saying "harassment" as if with 100% certainty that no equipment was not taken out of the intended use (or whatever it was limited to or–partially–provided for... or shipped to somewhere). While not leaning either way personally I have to say: As not even the people involved, contracts in hand, managed to resolve that uncertainty/question, imo you shouldn't jump to any conclusions or be quick to judge. Some damage to everyone's image is done, regardless of who's right or not; (should there be a) next time, everyone will be watching very closely. Many thanks to DSK for settling the dispute in this unbelievable manner. On April 08 2018 16:46 gnuoy00 wrote:in response, i hope this issue dies and we can get on with cheering for the players and the people that contribute to the community - then it would be worth it. hear hear | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Silvanel
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On April 08 2018 17:00 dicey wrote: Stuff about image&appearances and professionalism aside. You're saying "harassment" as if with 100% certainty that no equipment was not taken out of the intended use (or whatever it was limited to or–partially–provided for... or shipped to somewhere). You must not understand what harassment is... I'm saying harassment with 100% certainty that Rifkin has been harassing NoRegreT and, until anyone has proof otherwise, Scarlett. See the video posted earlier here and see all of the information and context we have about the situation and look up the definition of the word. It's harassment. Whether any equipment was stolen or not doesn't change that, and even if in your mind it does there's still no evidence supporting the idea that equipment was stolen, but there is at least some evidence in the form of each parties' actions, among other things, that the $1,500 in question was an investment and there is evidence the idea that said money should at this point be considered a loss at the very least, or, more reasonably, a successful investment that had a significant return to the investor (Matcherino funds, subscribers to BTTV, advertising for a year, etc.; see the OP or any of several other posts in this thread for more information, including information about what business investments are and how that relates to this situation). | ||
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