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Xamo
Spain874 Posts
 Mvp2. (Z)  soO3. (T) INnoVation4. (P)  Zest5. (P) sOs6. (P) MC7. (Z) Dark8. (T) Maru9. (Z) NesTea10. (P) Rain11. (T) MMA12. (P) PartinG13. (T) TaeJa14. (Z) Rogue15. (P) ClassicInternational: 1. (Z) Stephano2. (P) Neeb3. (P) HuK4. (Z) Scarlett5. (Z) Snute6. (T) Jinro7. (P) NaNiwa8. (Z) Nerchio9. (P) Has10. (T) MajOr/Special | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13959 Posts
On March 20 2018 07:24 Xamo wrote: 1. (T) Mvp2. (Z) soO3. (T) INnoVation4. (P) Zest5. (P) sOs6. (P) MC7. (Z) Dark8. (T) Maru9. (Z) NesTea10. (P) Rain11. (T) MMA12. (P) PartinG13. (T) TaeJa14. (Z) Rogue15. (P) ClassicInternational: 1. (Z) Stephano2. (P) Neeb3. (P) HuK4. (Z) Scarlett5. (Z) Snute6. (T) Jinro7. (P) NaNiwa8. (Z) Nerchio9. (P) Has10. (T) MajOr/Special Naniwa at 7? Wtf | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On March 20 2018 04:02 Fango wrote: Obviously it's all subjective. But I do think Zest is the obvious pick as #1 protoss. I don't see any reason to put another above him, or have him missing on a top 10 list. His 2014 might be the best year of any player to date, except Mvp's 2011 depending on how you look at it. INnovation's 2017 wasn't bad, with 2 starleagues and a weekender, or even 2 weekender since IEM Ggyeongji was part of 2017 season. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43734 Posts
Agreed with the "wtf". It's Stephano then Naniwa then everyone else. Also, I love how International = Please No Koreans! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 20 2018 08:17 Mun_Su wrote: INnovation's 2017 wasn't bad, with 2 starleagues and a weekender, or even 2 weekender since IEM Ggyeongji was part of 2017 season. I'd still say Zest's 2014 was better than Inno's 2017. Zest's worst result in a korean tournament for the whole year was a single ro8. Every other tournament he won or got ro4 in. The duel starleague is sick however, barely anyone has done that. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On March 19 2018 00:06 ArtyK wrote: 1. KiWiKaKi2. SLush3. Polt4. ByuN5. soO6. PtitDrogo7. uThermal8. SortOf9. ToD10. NeuroNow that's my kind of list | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
On March 20 2018 02:26 seopthi wrote: 1. Life2. MC3. TaeJa4. Rogue5. TY6. INnoVation7. NesTea8. Rain9. Polt10. ZestWhy you hating on Mvp? Naniwa's personality did a good job of hiding the fact he didn't really win much. HuK, Scarlett, and Snute all won more championships than Naniwa. Maybe this poster prizes championships particularly highly (though by that logic Soo wouldn't be 2nd so I dunno. Personally, I sometimes rank HuK above Naniwa. Dallas and Raliegh cancel eachother out (no Koreans so they're not worth talking about). Then HuK's got HSC3, Orlando, and Dreamhack where Naniwa has... That one invitational where he went beast mode and beat Mvp and Nestea. That was dope, but it's one tournament championship compared to HuK's 2 or 3 depending on whether you consider HSC3 to be premier or not. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On March 20 2018 08:54 Fango wrote: I'd still say Zest's 2014 was better than Inno's 2017. Zest's worst result in a korean tournament for the whole year was a single ro8. Every other tournament he won or got ro4 in. The duel starleague is sick however, barely anyone has done that. I guess it's all point of view then; still 2 awesome years for these players. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On March 20 2018 04:02 Fango wrote: Obviously it's all subjective. But I do think Zest is the obvious pick as #1 protoss. I don't see any reason to put another above him, or have him missing on a top 10 list. His 2014 might be the best year of any player to date, except Mvp's 2011 depending on how you look at it. Both MC and Parting had longer eras. e.g. bOth of them getting into RO8 when BL infestor was in its prime. While Zest is in the top5 of all time for sure, it's hard. MC & Parting have earlier starts which gives them the advantage and Parting was a beast even when Zest was around. Then it's just subjective how do you rank sOs, Zest, Parting, MC and Stats. And since this is about 10 players only 3 of them can get in. And while Zest has the nicest body of them all, MC has better singing and probably all of them have better macro than Zest. In my case it's personal feelings, MC gave me mothersip, 4 carriers, templars, 2-4 colossi & void ray composition to fight BL infestor(it worked quite nicely on most of the maps), Parting gave me the Templar opening. Rain gave me turtle-toss. Zest is a really beautiful dude, but that's not enough for me  | ||
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Luolis
Finland7083 Posts
On March 20 2018 06:48 EvilTeletubby wrote: boxeriloveOOv NaDaFlashBisuJaedongJulyZergSaviorYellOwNal_Ra I don't recognize any of these other names being posted. What a dumb bw elitist post :D | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15866 Posts
On March 20 2018 17:20 deacon.frost wrote: Both MC and Parting had longer eras. e.g. bOth of them getting into RO8 when BL infestor was in its prime. While Zest is in the top5 of all time for sure, it's hard. MC & Parting have earlier starts which gives them the advantage and Parting was a beast even when Zest was around. Then it's just subjective how do you rank sOs, Zest, Parting, MC and Stats. And since this is about 10 players only 3 of them can get in. And while Zest has the nicest body of them all, MC has better singing and probably all of them have better macro than Zest. In my case it's personal feelings, MC gave me mothersip, 4 carriers, templars, 2-4 colossi & void ray composition to fight BL infestor(it worked quite nicely on most of the maps), Parting gave me the Templar opening. Rain gave me turtle-toss. Zest is a really beautiful dude, but that's not enough for me I love PartinG and he's my favourite protoss of all time but he just doesn't have the results to justify putting him in the top 10. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On March 20 2018 18:12 Charoisaur wrote: I love PartinG and he's my favourite protoss of all time but he just doesn't have the results to justify putting him in the top 10. Zest cannot be compared to Parting. You're talking about someone who's never won in Korea vs someone who holds the record for Protoss GSLs (tied with MC if you don't count Global Ch.), the record for most KR championships won by Protoss overall, and the longest and highest peak of any Protoss in the game. Sorry but there's no justifiable argument to put Parting above Zest. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On March 20 2018 18:23 Olli wrote: Zest cannot be compared to Parting. You're talking about someone who's never won in Korea vs someone who holds the record for Protoss GSLs (tied with MC if you don't count Global Ch.), the record for most KR championships won by Protoss overall, and the longest and highest peak of any Protoss in the game. Sorry but there's no justifiable argument to put Parting above Zest. Personally I don't count GSL Global Championship or GSL World etc as Starleague titles... but still winning 2 GSL in 2014 is more difficult than winning 2 GSL in 2010 and 2011. As for Parting, he had the raw skills and the big mouth, but the results never backed that. | ||
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LSN
Germany696 Posts
Here my list: 1. Life! ;D2. TaeJa3. Maru4. BitByBitPrime5. Boxer5. LSN (with offrace terran)7. Flash8. INnoVation9. MajOr10. uThermalhf PS: delete noob race a-move from game please1 PPS: if you can't beat em, join em1 | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13959 Posts
On March 21 2018 01:37 LSN wrote: If anyone cares to calculate how often terran players are mentioned and compares that to how many players are in fact playing terran (US/EU, or alternatively compare to how many GSL wins by terran or whatever - you pick), then you get real numbers about the liquid bias. That would be of greater interest than that GOAT thing, as we all know on TL only a terran can be GOAT ever, lol. Here my list: 1. Life! ;D2. TaeJa3. Maru4. BitByBitPrime5. Boxer5. LSN (with offrace terran)7. Flash8. INnoVation9. MajOr10. uThermalhf p.s: delete noob race a-move from game please1 Agreed. Remove terran asap | ||
Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
Also WTF is Has doing there? He isn't even the best tawainese players. Also Lilbow and Elazer deserve to be above MajOr in my mind but that's open to discution. | ||
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Xamo
Spain874 Posts
What does Greatest Of All Time mean? What is greatness for you? From my point of view, behaving improperly grants negative points. Destroying Proleague too, that's why that Zerg player is not in my GOAT list. On March 20 2018 08:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Also, I love how International = Please No Koreans! "International" in contrast with the real GOAT list, which is "Intranational" :-) "Foreigner" is a word I dislike. On March 20 2018 14:06 TheDougler wrote: Naniwa's personality did a good job of hiding the fact he didn't really win much. HuK, Scarlett, and Snute all won more championships than Naniwa. Maybe this poster prizes championships particularly highly (though by that logic Soo wouldn't be 2nd so I dunno). You're totally right regarding Naniwa, he did not win as much as many people feel he did. We just spoke more about him. soO is 2nd in my list because ... well... On March 21 2018 02:09 Nakajin wrote: Also WTF is Has doing there? He isn't even the best tawainese players. Also Lilbow and Elazer deserve to be above MajOr in my mind but that's open to discution. Has is there because Has is great, and this is a greatness list. Feel all free to post your own International ranking so that I can discuss about it also... | ||
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curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
INnoVation2.(T) Mvp3.(Z) Life4.(Z) soO5.(T) TaeJa6.(P) MC7.(P) sOs8.(P) Stats9.(Z) NesTea10.(T) MMA | ||
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vult
United States9399 Posts
1. Mvp2. INnoVation3. Life4. TaeJa5. sOs6. soO7. MC8. PartinG9. Polt10. ClassicHonorable Mentions: Zest, MMA, Rain, Bomber, herO, MarineKing, NesTeaInternational: 1. Stephano2. Neeb3. NaNiwa4. Snute5. Serral6. Scarlett7. Nerchio8. Sen9. Elazer10. HuKHonorable Mentions: IdrA, MajOr, Has, VortiX, LucifroNRIP NO TERRANS IN TOP10 FOREIGNERS. + Show Spoiler + Graded based on overall tournament success, longevity and consistency, and overall skill ceiling and potential during their respective careers. | ||
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