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Scarlett defeats sOs 4-1, wins IEM PyeongChang - Page 2

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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
February 07 2018 13:20 GMT
#21
Role reversal*

Congratulations to Scarlett, well deserved and a long time coming.
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ToXavieR
Profile Joined April 2017
Cuba19 Posts
February 07 2018 13:31 GMT
#22
Finally, so happy for Scarlett!
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illuin_
Profile Joined March 2017
United States14 Posts
February 07 2018 13:32 GMT
#23
Crediting Scarlett’s victory only to balance is short sighted and way oversimplifies it. While it might have been a factor in her victory, it shouldn’t disqualify the fact that she played one hell of a series not to mention the 3 ZvZs she played through the tournament, which historically has been her weakness.

Note, a 58-42 balance should have resulted in roughly a 4-3 if players are perfectly equal and we determining winners purely from balance. So that doesn’t explain the 4-1.
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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
February 07 2018 13:39 GMT
#24
Congrats, can't wait to see her whining about Protoss being broken again.
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
February 07 2018 13:40 GMT
#25
I watched it live. It was actually quite a stomp. The game sOs won was out of sheer will, micro, and unit efficiency (see: immortals blasting roaches, warp prisms). Otherwise, this series was a complete rollover. The Zergling breach on BlackPink reminded me quite a bit of the old school Leenock.
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
February 07 2018 13:52 GMT
#26
On February 07 2018 22:32 illuin_ wrote:
Crediting Scarlett’s victory only to balance is short sighted and way oversimplifies it


agreed

Note, a 58-42 balance should have resulted in roughly a 4-3 if players are perfectly equal and we determining winners purely from balance. So that doesn’t explain the 4-1.


eeeh no, thats not how it works mate :D i said it before and i'll say it again, starcraft people really need to stop this pseudo math. idk where the 58 42 number comes from in the first place (latest aligulac number i could find is 54 46, still not that good, but people usually quote whichever statistic best fits their narrative anyway), but you cant simply apply that ratio to determine what outcome a BO7 is supposed to have from a balance point of view.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2722 Posts
February 07 2018 13:59 GMT
#27
I said to myself "YES" when Scarlett won
very illegal and very uncool
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 14:13:34
February 07 2018 14:11 GMT
#28
confirmed Neeb vZ > sOs vZ and Zest vZ
(and in Zest's case Neeb > Zest in anything)
GOOD JOB SCARLETT
Revenge against Korea for ASUS ROG 2013
Also NA > EU
(Neeb and Scarlett all took golds on Korean Soil)
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VahVahVahVah
Profile Joined February 2018
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 14:28:10
February 07 2018 14:17 GMT
#29
On February 07 2018 22:52 Executer08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 22:32 illuin_ wrote:
Crediting Scarlett’s victory only to balance is short sighted and way oversimplifies it


agreed

Show nested quote +
Note, a 58-42 balance should have resulted in roughly a 4-3 if players are perfectly equal and we determining winners purely from balance. So that doesn’t explain the 4-1.


eeeh no, thats not how it works mate :D i said it before and i'll say it again, starcraft people really need to stop this pseudo math. idk where the 58 42 number comes from in the first place (latest aligulac number i could find is 54 46, still not that good, but people usually quote whichever statistic best fits their narrative anyway), but you cant simply apply that ratio to determine what outcome a BO7 is supposed to have from a balance point of view.



Numbers are come from Aligulac current (and previous) lists. Since 4.1.4 PvZ are 42v58.

How numbers turn into real results are far beyond my understanding. I can only speculate, that big numbers represents "standard game scenario" but in real life players may choose different strats, forced to play more aggressively/ defensively than "optimal" strategy required. I remember when terran had 55 advantage in HOTS protoss all 2 protosses in some premier's Ro8 brought earlier unseen colossus drop, therefor winning both series. It didn't deny terran advantage.
beepbeeeeeeep
Profile Joined February 2017
145 Posts
February 07 2018 14:22 GMT
#30
Congrats sooooooo much to Scarlett!!! I wish her first premier win could have been in front of a live audience though
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
February 07 2018 14:23 GMT
#31
Gongrats Scarlett!!
GrandTerran
Profile Blog Joined January 2018
71 Posts
February 07 2018 14:35 GMT
#32
Wow congrats so much
VahVahVahVah
Profile Joined February 2018
6 Posts
February 07 2018 14:39 GMT
#33
On February 07 2018 22:19 Nausmoke wrote:
Vahvahvahvah. You forgot to say even girl cood win vs protos. So sad. Gg Scarlett. Good game.



That's sexist.
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
February 07 2018 14:40 GMT
#34
I loved the production and commentary on this event, it felt really high-quality.
I love sOs, but it was great to see Scarlett running circles around him. It feels like it's long overdue for her to be in the spotlight.
(Also, for those balance whining: considering her run in this tournament, if you want to try to discredit her, it would probably make more sense to complain that ZvZ is imbalanced.)
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
February 07 2018 14:46 GMT
#35
good to see protoss also struggling against those zerg
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 07 2018 14:50 GMT
#36
When was the last time a foreigner won a premier?
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Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 15:00:32
February 07 2018 14:58 GMT
#37
On February 07 2018 23:50 intotheheart wrote:
When was the last time a foreigner won a premier?


eh... Serral at WCS Leipzig?

ps. gratz to Scarlett she really deserve this victory!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 07 2018 14:59 GMT
#38
On February 07 2018 23:58 Mike L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 23:50 intotheheart wrote:
When was the last time a foreigner won a premier?


eh... Serral at WCS Leipzig?

Fuck.

Premier with Koreans?
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ToXavieR
Profile Joined April 2017
Cuba19 Posts
February 07 2018 15:02 GMT
#39
Now im glad of the 18 Players Tournament Format. , First eSports Olimpic Champion?
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Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
February 07 2018 15:05 GMT
#40
On February 07 2018 23:59 intotheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 23:58 Mike L wrote:
On February 07 2018 23:50 intotheheart wrote:
When was the last time a foreigner won a premier?


eh... Serral at WCS Leipzig?

Fuck.

Premier with Koreans?


Neeb at Kespa Cup though i quite don`t remember it was premier or only major tourney
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