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Delusions of Mediocrity: A Classic Tale - Page 2

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getg00d
Profile Joined April 2017
United States120 Posts
November 28 2017 09:29 GMT
#21
honestly came here thinking this was going to be about avilo
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13319 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 09:57:57
November 28 2017 09:57 GMT
#22
On November 28 2017 17:31 ejozl wrote:
He started the Colossus drop, which btw is really strong right now in LotV with the + vs Light. They 2 shot workers.

I think he was also the first to bring mass Oracles into Korean tournaments, first in PvZ, then in PvT.

Him and Dear started doing mass Oracles on the very same day, funnily enough. During SSL.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 28 2017 16:19 GMT
#23
Stats was similar before he started getting top 4 in basically every tournament, it's peculiar really.
It's hard to get the attention one might deserve, you either have to be at the very top for a decently long time or your personality has to be special so you get noticed that way. A lot of the players we have right now would deserve more recognition, gl to them! Classic is probably the best example, good article again, enjoyed reading it.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 18:22:51
November 28 2017 18:20 GMT
#24
On November 29 2017 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Stats was similar before he started getting top 4 in basically every tournament, it's peculiar really.
It's hard to get the attention one might deserve, you either have to be at the very top for a decently long time or your personality has to be special so you get noticed that way. A lot of the players we have right now would deserve more recognition, gl to them! Classic is probably the best example, good article again, enjoyed reading it.

Actually I would say that getting and more importantly keeping the community's attention comes about from first dominating at the very top, then displaying enough personality to get the fickle fans to stay.

Nobody much cared about Bogus until he started roflstomping top Zergs and carrying STX to the title, afterwards he became RoBogus, the Hellbatman, the Machine, etc, etc. Nobody much cared about P7GAB until he started slaughtering SKT and walked the Royal Road, afterwards the Zest is Best train left the station and hasn't come back. And so on.

Domination or personality alone can get a couple moments of fame but in order to stay in the public eye for any protracted length of time, a player needs both.
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-28 23:13:38
November 28 2017 23:09 GMT
#25
Edit: really nice article, i loved the slight snark.

really grew to love classic after his series vs polt at the 2014 global finals and throughout 2015. he also had probably the best pvt in the world this year, so i wouldve preferred a classic gumiho final in gsl s2 :D

While ex-teammates soO, Dark and INnoVation were battling for an audience of tens of thousands of viewers worldwide, Classic went on a vacation no one knew about in Japan


lol

On November 28 2017 08:32 DieuCure wrote:
Mizenhauerbest writer

Harsh words, and, I disagree, Dark is the most consistent player of the last two years, stolen by Mech and ZvZ.


so youre saying he is the most consistent except in 1.5/3 matchups!? makes sense dude this one is not even debatable lol
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2212 Posts
November 29 2017 08:43 GMT
#26
Great piece, go Classic!
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Darkn3ssFallz
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia114 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 08:58:31
November 29 2017 08:55 GMT
#27
Classic #1!

If not for his struggles vZ Classic would easily have won every tournament of the year. Hoping he's able to go that little bit further in 2018!

Another great article btw.
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nabresrotciv
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom32 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-29 16:11:25
November 29 2017 16:09 GMT
#28
I think the real issue behind him not having enough attention is his nickname, which is as boring as his gameplay(lately!)
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Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
November 29 2017 16:17 GMT
#29
I'm not feeling any charisma in this guy, either in his playstyle or in his reactions. I guess thats the reason people like me don't particularly enjoy watching/remember him.
Also he struck me as a pretty "not reactive" protoss who just does his build regardless of the scouting and such, at least during the proleague seasons (good old times) where he lost (amongst other weird stuff) against bbyong's mech build.
But again my terran perspective might greatly influence my statement there
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2625 Posts
November 29 2017 16:29 GMT
#30
On November 28 2017 08:43 Waxangel wrote:
It's hard to tell why certain players appeal to the masses, and others simply don't have that spark. Classic is one of the great Protoss champions of StarCraft II, but you'd never know it from the level of hype around him.


I remember when Classic won his GSL, it was in the era were there was only 4 terrans in Code S and protoss were winning everything left and right, seeing the finals as "soO vs Classic" you couldn't help but thing "Who the fuck is Classic?" back then.

Altough he rose from that and became a ver strong and stapple protoss, I think that he just carried the "Just another protoss" quality to him since then.
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 01 2017 15:17 GMT
#31
On November 28 2017 10:49 pvsnp wrote:
Some great writing out of Mizenhauer, and I'm glad to see some more attention given to players outside the spotlight. Guys like Classic need all the love they can get from the community.

I've was a "fan" of Classic for years–by which I mean an STX and SKT fan–but I have to admit that he is definitely one of the most forgettable top players out there. He has the skill to win Starleagues and the trophies to prove it, but the most fame he can cash in on is the occasional joke about his chin.

Really, I think the community just couldn't find a common theme to stress with Classic and without that he kind of just drifts out of the public eye whenever he isn't actually holding up a trophy. Zest has his muscles and impeccable play, herO his smiles with cheese, sOs his crazy awesome builds, and even Stats is a nice guy with civilized macro. Among those greats, where is there room for Classic?

I remember soO talking about how when he was feeling down about his future, he took inspiration from Classic–older than him and less famous, but still practicing hard with a desperate hunger to claim another trophy before inevitable military retirement.

2017 was a lot of things for a handful of pros in the spotlight, but so many more struggled through the year in near-obscurity.


To that end, I'd l henceforth dub Classic as Wally/Waldo from "Where's Wally/Waldo?". I think it is quite apt.

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55506 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-01 16:29:35
December 01 2017 16:26 GMT
#32
On December 02 2017 00:17 DSK wrote:
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On November 28 2017 10:49 pvsnp wrote:
Some great writing out of Mizenhauer, and I'm glad to see some more attention given to players outside the spotlight. Guys like Classic need all the love they can get from the community.

I've was a "fan" of Classic for years–by which I mean an STX and SKT fan–but I have to admit that he is definitely one of the most forgettable top players out there. He has the skill to win Starleagues and the trophies to prove it, but the most fame he can cash in on is the occasional joke about his chin.

Really, I think the community just couldn't find a common theme to stress with Classic and without that he kind of just drifts out of the public eye whenever he isn't actually holding up a trophy. Zest has his muscles and impeccable play, herO his smiles with cheese, sOs his crazy awesome builds, and even Stats is a nice guy with civilized macro. Among those greats, where is there room for Classic?

I remember soO talking about how when he was feeling down about his future, he took inspiration from Classic–older than him and less famous, but still practicing hard with a desperate hunger to claim another trophy before inevitable military retirement.

2017 was a lot of things for a handful of pros in the spotlight, but so many more struggled through the year in near-obscurity.


To that end, I'd l henceforth dub Classic as Wally/Waldo from "Where's Wally/Waldo?". I think it is quite apt.

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That's literally Stats' Korean nickname and there's even pictures on the internet of him dressing up as Wally/Waldo.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 01 2017 16:35 GMT
#33
On December 02 2017 01:26 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2017 00:17 DSK wrote:
On November 28 2017 10:49 pvsnp wrote:
Some great writing out of Mizenhauer, and I'm glad to see some more attention given to players outside the spotlight. Guys like Classic need all the love they can get from the community.

I've was a "fan" of Classic for years–by which I mean an STX and SKT fan–but I have to admit that he is definitely one of the most forgettable top players out there. He has the skill to win Starleagues and the trophies to prove it, but the most fame he can cash in on is the occasional joke about his chin.

Really, I think the community just couldn't find a common theme to stress with Classic and without that he kind of just drifts out of the public eye whenever he isn't actually holding up a trophy. Zest has his muscles and impeccable play, herO his smiles with cheese, sOs his crazy awesome builds, and even Stats is a nice guy with civilized macro. Among those greats, where is there room for Classic?

I remember soO talking about how when he was feeling down about his future, he took inspiration from Classic–older than him and less famous, but still practicing hard with a desperate hunger to claim another trophy before inevitable military retirement.

2017 was a lot of things for a handful of pros in the spotlight, but so many more struggled through the year in near-obscurity.


To that end, I'd l henceforth dub Classic as Wally/Waldo from "Where's Wally/Waldo?". I think it is quite apt.

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That's literally Stats' Korean nickname and there's even pictures on the internet of him dressing up as Wally/Waldo.
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Oh yeah, you're completely right, I forgot about that! I remember wolf bringing it up in Proleague before. And here I thought I was on to a winner.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10049 Posts
December 05 2017 17:44 GMT
#34
nice reading! Classic fighting!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
MoonyD
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia191 Posts
December 07 2017 00:28 GMT
#35
Here's to hoping that Classic finds his mojo again. He's one of the few Protoss players that are representing the race during dark times. I always considered him very underrated. Though his first GSL title was a bit of a 'patch-win' as some would call it, he has proven his consistency time and time again.

Hoping that by 2018 he finds a way to deal with his PvZ matchup
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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
December 10 2017 16:18 GMT
#36
if you take away classics mouth he would look like a zealot haha
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