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i personally think  soO on his A-game is (still) pretty much favoured against any other player there is.
To quote  INnoVation (or at least the gsl translation of him  some months back, GSL season 1: "I personally want to avoid soO because he has the class. He is so good when he performs well."
If we will have the pleasure to witness his top level play he will wreck nerds all day any day, stomping his way to the finals where he finally will have to face off NegasoO.
Be prepared and pray for the most epic SCII battle in history.
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On October 21 2017 01:09 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 00:32 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:16 Sakat wrote:
And now the next five are completely interchangable in my view Disagree for me it's an easy 1. Stats 2. Rogue 3. INnoVation 4. Dark 5. herO For TL it's 1. INnoVation 2. Rogue 3. Stats 4. Dark 5. herO Heresy. You have Innovation ranked third and Stats at 1? 1-2 in my opinion are a toss up between Inno and Rogue. Stats is a solid third.
I wonder how I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1...
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Great article.
On October 21 2017 02:22 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 01:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:32 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:16 Sakat wrote:
And now the next five are completely interchangable in my view Disagree for me it's an easy 1. Stats 2. Rogue 3. INnoVation 4. Dark 5. herO For TL it's 1. INnoVation 2. Rogue 3. Stats 4. Dark 5. herO Heresy. You have Innovation ranked third and Stats at 1? 1-2 in my opinion are a toss up between Inno and Rogue. Stats is a solid third. I wonder how I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1...
He's probably had the best past year of any player save arguably INno, but the tournament is happening now not over the past year, and he hasn't looked the strongest recently.
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On October 21 2017 02:22 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 01:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:32 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:16 Sakat wrote:
And now the next five are completely interchangable in my view Disagree for me it's an easy 1. Stats 2. Rogue 3. INnoVation 4. Dark 5. herO For TL it's 1. INnoVation 2. Rogue 3. Stats 4. Dark 5. herO Heresy. You have Innovation ranked third and Stats at 1? 1-2 in my opinion are a toss up between Inno and Rogue. Stats is a solid third. I wonder how I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1...
Players on momentum are more likely to win tournaments than constant players
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On October 21 2017 03:05 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 02:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 01:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:32 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:16 Sakat wrote:
And now the next five are completely interchangable in my view Disagree for me it's an easy 1. Stats 2. Rogue 3. INnoVation 4. Dark 5. herO For TL it's 1. INnoVation 2. Rogue 3. Stats 4. Dark 5. herO Heresy. You have Innovation ranked third and Stats at 1? 1-2 in my opinion are a toss up between Inno and Rogue. Stats is a solid third. I wonder how I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1... Players on momentum are more likely to win tournaments than constant players
Then who is in momentum ? I can see that herO really is in a momentum, which saddens me...
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The uncrowned champion actually sounds good. For me, and many others, he is a champion anyway.
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Good article
Yeah, herO seems to have momentum at the moment. His run at Masters coliseum 2 was pretty awesome, 3-1 vs rogue , innovation and soo and then 4-0 vs dear in the finals. Would still rate at least Rogue and Innovation higher though
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On October 21 2017 04:06 Sajaki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 02:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
I wonder How I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1... It's interesting you give consistency as your reasoning for putting Stats above Inno, but then also put Rogue above Inno, who the Terran absolutely and utterly crushes by that very metric. Top 5 IMO: 1) INnoVation: Korean with most gold medals in premier this year. 2 in the last 3 months as well so he's warm going into Blizzcon. A win could cement his + Show Spoiler + status. 2)  Stats: Obscenely consistent player. Not just a bronze medalist though, he has his fair share of golds including a recent SSL win. Stats often goes far, this tournament will be no different. 3) Rogue: A somewhat inconsistent player carried by the fact he is peaking really hard right now. The type of player who could win the entire tournament or be eliminated in the RO8 and neither would be considered an upset. Still, when rogue is on point he looks like the best Zerg in the world. 4) herO[jOin]: Everything about herO is criminal. He is criminally underrated. When he wins games against "better" players he makes it look like an armed robbery with the most cutthroat timings and allins. herO plays his own style and he plays it well. Having met (and lost) to Rogue in the finals of both tournaments Rogue won it's only fitting to put him directly below the Zerg. 5) Dark: Dark is a great Zerg who is arguably under-decorated. He's always a major threat but seems to have developed a pattern recently of losing to the winner (or runner-up, depending on bracket luck) of the tournament in a close series that comes down to the final game of a boX.
He is a Stats fanboy, let him be biased with the #1 rank.
Realistically though, #1 is either Rogue or Inno. They have the form and the momentum heading into Blizzcon. Stats had a good 2017 (with half of Inno's trophies though) but he isn't at his peak right now.
Agreed on your ranking by the way, and nice description of each player.
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On October 21 2017 03:18 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 03:05 DieuCure wrote:On October 21 2017 02:22 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 01:09 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:32 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 21 2017 00:16 Sakat wrote:
And now the next five are completely interchangable in my view Disagree for me it's an easy 1. Stats 2. Rogue 3. INnoVation 4. Dark 5. herO For TL it's 1. INnoVation 2. Rogue 3. Stats 4. Dark 5. herO Heresy. You have Innovation ranked third and Stats at 1? 1-2 in my opinion are a toss up between Inno and Rogue. Stats is a solid third. I wonder how I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1... Players on momentum are more likely to win tournaments than constant players Then who is in momentum ? I can see that herO really is in a momentum, which saddens me...
Rogue and INno, both of them won 2 offline tournaments/5 in the last 3 month
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On October 20 2017 23:01 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Failure here consecrates him as the great ape falling off the Empire State Building, slain by the beauty of an impossible ideal. soO will always be remembered for the near-misses and botched opportunities. He will forever be the uncrowned champion. Very nice article but I disagree with this part. Even if he doesn't win Blizzcon (which is a fairly slim chance as 1 of 16 competitors), he might still decide to stay on for another year or two, so it may not be his last chance. He should probably look at it as his last chance though (and it still may be). I do really hope he wins.
I'm worried about his ZvT if he makes it to the later rounds, though.
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On October 21 2017 04:06 Sajaki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 02:22 Cricketer12 wrote:
I wonder How I have the guy with 11 semis in the past 13 tournaments at no 1... It's interesting you give consistency as your reasoning for putting Stats above Inno, but then also put Rogue above Inno, who the Terran absolutely and utterly crushes by that very metric. Top 5 IMO: 1) INnoVation: Korean with most gold medals in premier this year. 2 in the last 3 months as well so he's warm going into Blizzcon. A win could cement his + Show Spoiler + status. 2) Stats: Obscenely consistent player. Not just a bronze medalist though, he has his fair share of golds including a recent SSL win. Stats often goes far, this tournament will be no different. 3) Rogue: A somewhat inconsistent player carried by the fact he is peaking really hard right now. The type of player who could win the entire tournament or be eliminated in the RO8 and neither would be considered an upset. Still, when rogue is on point he looks like the best Zerg in the world. 4) herO[jOin]: Everything about herO is criminal. He is criminally underrated. When he wins games against "better" players he makes it look like an armed robbery with the most cutthroat timings and allins. herO plays his own style and he plays it well. Having met (and lost) to Rogue in the finals of both tournaments Rogue won it's only fitting to put him directly below the Zerg. 5) Dark: Dark is a great Zerg who is arguably under-decorated. He's always a major threat but seems to have developed a pattern recently of losing to the winner (or runner-up, depending on bracket luck) of the tournament in a close series that comes down to the final game of a boX.
I think I agree with your rogue assessment to the letter, he reminds me too much of 2013 dear right now unfortunately
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I want so many players to win, soO winning would definitely be a crazy story.
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Please soO i've waited so long.
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I think soO winning blizzcon just before retirement would be the best story possible.
As a side note, I agree with ranking INno and Rogue over Stats based on their current form and momentum regardless of what happened 3+ months ago. Same reason I don't think it's sacrilege to rank Neeb over Gumiho despite the GSL victory.
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On October 21 2017 08:04 Kitai wrote:
I think soO winning blizzcon just before retirement would be the best story possible.
As a side note, I agree with ranking INno and Rogue over Stats based on their current form and momentum regardless of what happened 3+ months ago. Same reason I don't think it's sacrilege to rank Neeb over Gumiho despite the GSL victory.
All 3 have won a korean tournament within the last month. But I find Dark the strongest opponent of the three, so I disagree with the current form argument.
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In five days' time it will be announced:
Rank #0: sOs! JK. 
On how to rank (not ranking placement at blizzcon but chance of winning blizzcon:
Start with the best all-round players of different races:
Stats, Dark, Inno = Places 1-3 (no order implied)
Ask yourself who is capable of beating 2/3 of these on a given day in a best of 5:
Rogue, soO, TY, herO = Places 4-7 (no order implied)
Ask yourself who is capable of beating 2/3 of the second tier on any given day in a best of 5:
Neeb, Gumiho, Serral, Elazer = Places 8-11 (no order implied)
Everyone else could get far but realistically has <0.1 % chance of winning in first place.
Notice that I'm not ranking according to predicted finishing place, but on who has what probability to win. Now, I can calculate probabilities:
Probability that the winner comes from Tier 1: 60.0%
Probability that the winner comes from Tier 2: 26.7%
Probability that the winner comes from Tier 3: 13.3%
Probability that one of {Snute, SpeCiaL, Kelhazur, TRUE, Nerchio} wins: < 0.1%
These are number figures on which I would confidently bet if I were a gambler.
How to interpret:
Example: Tier 2. Probability that TY wins plus probability that herO wins plus probability that soO wins plus probability that Rogue wins ~20% total.
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On October 21 2017 08:39 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 08:04 Kitai wrote:
I think soO winning blizzcon just before retirement would be the best story possible.
As a side note, I agree with ranking INno and Rogue over Stats based on their current form and momentum regardless of what happened 3+ months ago. Same reason I don't think it's sacrilege to rank Neeb over Gumiho despite the GSL victory. All 3 have won a korean tournament within the last month. But I find Dark the strongest opponent of the three, so I disagree with the current form argument.
Inno defeated Dark in a Bo7 a week before Stats did.......
With the exact same score as Stats, too. Inno also got to the semis of the Super Tournament while Stats dropped out in the Ro16 (and Rogue won). So as far as current form goes, we have Stats winning SSL and Ro16 in ST, Rogue Ro8 in GSL and winning ST, and Inno winning GSL and Ro4 ST.
Even if you think Rogue is overhyped, Inno > Stats for sure. I would say Inno > Rogue > Stats, but Rogue > Inno > Stats works too. I wouldn't object to Dark > Stats either, since he got GSL Ro4, SSL finals, and ST Ro4 (and brought every series to the decider).
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I have to believe soO is practicing harder than anyone.
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