EPTCommunity Power Rank v7: Hard decisions - Page 6
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Frakkofff
Russian Federation66 Posts
 INnoVation2.  ByuL3.  Stats4. soO5. ByuN6. Solar7. herO8. Dark9. Maru10. GuMiho | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
INnoVation2. Stats3. herO[jOin]4. Classic5. Solar6. TY7. Maru8. soO9. ByuN10. GuMiho | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
TY2. Classic3. soO4. INnoVation5. herO6. Stats7. Solar8. Maru9. GuMiho10. ByuL | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Time to post a list: On June 13 2017 22:01 opisska wrote: Many of these ranks posted here miss at least one of the Ro4 players of the current GSL. If you think being in the Ro4 of GSL doesn't make you at least top 10 of the world right now, you need to seriously reconsider your priorities. I mean technically it could happen, but yeah i think you are right. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 13 2017 22:01 opisska wrote: Many of these ranks posted here miss at least one of the Ro4 players of the current GSL. If you think being in the Ro4 of GSL doesn't make you at least top 10 of the world right now, you need to seriously reconsider your priorities. If you wind back the clock to Ro4 of GSL Season 1, I wouldn't have put Ryung and sOs into my Top 10 as well. A single deep tourney run is a fantastic feat, but can be due to factors such as bracket luck, favourable matchups, rare burst of form, etc. Consistency matters. Classic is in my Top 10 because he has also played well in SSL Challenger. Gumiho isn't, because he got knocked out early on. As an example. (Let's hypothetically say Maru beats soO in the finals. They both beat Dark in their Ro16 group. Given a chance, Dark could've beaten all the other 6 quarter-finalists. Yet, due to the bracket, he would be automatically demoted below them just because he had the bad luck of meeting the Top 2 in the world. Being a bit hyperbolic here, but you get the point - that it's hard to rank the best players just based on how deep they ran in one tourney alone.) | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
INnoVation2. Classic3. soO4. Maru5. GuMiho6. herO7. ByuN8. Solar9. TY10. ByuL | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 13 2017 22:57 RKC wrote: If you wind back the clock to Ro4 of GSL Season 1, I wouldn't have put Ryung and sOs into my Top 10 as well. A single deep tourney run is a fantastic feat, but can be due to factors such as bracket luck, favourable matchups, rare burst of form, etc. Consistency matters. Classic is in my Top 10 because he has also played well in SSL Challenger. Gumiho isn't, because he got knocked out early on. As an example. (Let's hypothetically say Maru beats soO in the finals. They both beat Dark in their Ro16 group. Given a chance, Dark could've beaten all the other 6 quarter-finalists. Yet, due to the bracket, he would be automatically demoted below them just because he had the bad luck of meeting the Top 2 in the world. Being a bit hyperbolic here, but you get the point - that it's hard to rank the best players just based on how deep they ran in one tourney alone.) "The list should reflect your opinion on the current strength of players." Current is now. There is no Proleague, so the only real tourneys are GSL and SSL and if we are talking about anything "current", then the last season of GSL was centuries ago. If you do a single deep run in GSL this month, it means that you are a top player of this month. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On June 13 2017 23:19 Elentos wrote: 1. INnoVation2. Classic3. soO4. Maru5. GuMiho6. herO7. ByuN8. Solar9. TY10. ByuLAt long last the fabled Elentos top 10... Maru is disgustingly high and no bongjwa. I am dissapoint. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 13 2017 22:01 opisska wrote: Many of these ranks posted here miss at least one of the Ro4 players of the current GSL. If you think being in the Ro4 of GSL doesn't make you at least top 10 of the world right now, you need to seriously reconsider your priorities. GuMiho is like Ryung last season, in the Ro4 because of bracket luck and TvT alone. He has to beat a lot more non-Terrans than Trap or ByuL to be a top 10 player in my eyes. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16032 Posts
On June 13 2017 23:19 Elentos wrote: 1. INnoVation2. Classic3. soO4. Maru5. GuMiho6. herO7. ByuN8. Solar9. TY10. ByuLStats not even in the top 10?? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 13 2017 22:01 opisska wrote: Many of these ranks posted here miss at least one of the Ro4 players of the current GSL. If you think being in the Ro4 of GSL doesn't make you at least top 10 of the world right now, you need to seriously reconsider your priorities. I have them all in mine, but I could see why some might of left 1 or even 2 off. Some might be taking everything into account since the last power ranking which would also include IEM, GSL s1, and VSL s1. You also have to consider the path of each of those runs. A ro4 in the GSL isn't exactly what it used to be. Frankly, I think SSL is the harder league and should hold a tad more weight here. GSL only has prize money and legacy going for it. For example, Ryung made the ro4 last season and even a ro8 prior to that. Both of those runs involved favorable brackets for him. He dodged a lot of the top-tier Ps and Zs. Or look at sOs who made a ro4 last season by beating: Curious, Billowy, Bunny, Keen, and herO. Yet, in SSL Premiere he was battling Zest for the bottom spot. | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
Someone needs to make up for the fact that lots of people have him in their top 3 even though he's been playing like ass and not even winning half his matches recently. | ||
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Xamo
Spain883 Posts
soO2. INnoVation3. Solar4. GuMiho5. Classic6. herO7. Maru8. Stats9. TY10. Dark | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
but worst TvTer KR is #1 | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
INnoVation 39-18 (68%)Classic 47-23 (67%)ByuL 54-29 (65%)GuMiho 39-22 (64%)ByuN 61-35 (64%)herO 54-33 (62%)soO 24-16 (60%)Maru 34-24 (59%)Dark 32-25 (56%)TY 31-28 (53%)Solar 43-39 (52%)aLive 34-31 (52%)Rogue 23-21 (52%)Stats 35-35 (50%) | ||
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seopthi
393 Posts
TY2. Classic3. ByuN4. Stats5. soO6. GuMiho7. Dark8. INnoVation9. herO10. MaruI know most people would rank TY much lower, however, I am quite serious about putting him first. Ranking on being able to win a tournament is slightly different from ranking on the ability to have the highest winrate, which is again different from the ability to play a game with the highest skill. Though the differences are subtle, I find the last one the most important and thus my ranking is based on it. Let me try to explain what I mean. Let's say you assign a number 0-100 on how well a game was played. 0 would be absolutely no action within the game, 5 would be a bronze level player,... all the way to 100 which would be game theory optimal perhaps achieved by some sort of AI in the future. (i.e AlphaGo was probably close to 100 in Go.) Let's say that a great but still Tier2 player like aLive plays around 50 and someone Tier1 like Classic around 70. Some players - such as Innovation - are very consistent, have solid mechanics, and their performance will be always something like 75, but rarely under or above. They will thus almost always beat the Tier 2 players and will have a great win percentage against even the Tier1. However, I think that the range of TY's play would be something like 65-85. Because it is so varied, he has much lower winrate against the Tier2 players but can have a relatively higher rate against the Tier1 players. This variance can be for multiple reasons, in his case mostly because of tilting/mental problems. In his the GSL finals against Zest, the first game was a unique occasion of an 85 or even 90 play, virtually no other player could ever achieve. It would be hard to advise to Zest what should have he done to win that game. However, because of his poor mentality, the last games were just terrible, like 40 (i.e accidentally building a second Factory instead of Starport.) Of course, he lost which is a big defect, but it would be much simpler to advise what should he do next time. The same thing happened many times; i.e the reverse kills in past two ro8 of the GSLs. Playing this badly on occasion would not happen to Innovation, but I dare to say that also it would not happen to him to achieve the nearly perfect 90 play TY has showed many times. If I were to show someone 3 individual games in LotV in which the highest skill was showcased, all of them I am thinking of, would've been wins by him. If he fixes the mental problems and lowers the variance towards the higher end, he has the ability to be a bonjwa, which most people don't. I would same similar themes apply to Life or Isildur1 in poker; they all had big swings in performance, but the high point was higher than of all the rest. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
1. INnoVation2. soO3. Classic4. herO5. ByuN6. Maru7. TY8. GuMiho9. Stats10. ByuL | ||
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