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yesterhead
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden19 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 11:18:47
June 08 2017 11:17 GMT
#81
1. (Z)soO
2. (T)ByuN
3. (T)TY
4. (Z)ByuL
5. (P)Stats
6. (T)INnoVation
7. (Z)Dark
8. (P)herO
9. (T)Maru
10. (T)Ryung
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-10 12:27:56
June 09 2017 16:11 GMT
#82
Ok my list atm: (might change a bit depending on Innovation vs Solar)
It's basically based on results since the last power rank


1. (T)INnoVation
2. (P)herO
3. (T)Maru
4. (Z)Solar
5. (Z)ByuL
6. (T)GuMiho
7. (Z)soO
8. (P)Classic
9. (T)aLive
10. (P)Stats




edit: after realizing that the last PR was already 4 months ago, i guess it's a bit questionable to include all the results since then. (more a fault of going 4 months without it tbh) I will look at the results of the past 2 months now (anything below that seems to have not enough data) and change the list accordingly.

edit2: next edit will happen after Inno vs Solar
edit3: ok final list after the ssl finals
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 09 2017 17:53 GMT
#83
ppl ignoring classic lmao
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 10 2017 09:09 GMT
#84
1. (Z)soO
2. (P)Stats
3. (T)INnoVation
4. (Z)Solar
5. (P)herO
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Classic
8. (T)Maru
9. (Z)ByuL
10. (Z)Dark

My assessment is a mix of past results as far back as IEM World Championship (with some depreciating value attached to older results, of course), and the most current results.

Controversially missing the cut would be (T)aLive, (T)ByuN and (T)GuMiho. If I had to choose between the three, (T)aLive gets the nod over them.

Not sure why (T)ByuN figures so highly on other people's list. Sentimentality perhaps? Results wise, he just hasn't done enough at all this whole year. Didn't go far in IEM and Super Tournament. And his recent form in SSL and GSL hasn't been great too.

(T)GuMiho is capable of picking off a top scalp or two, but his results hasn't translated into deep runs (except for GSL now). He's quite similar to (T)aLive, with the only difference being that (T)aLive had a string of deep runs earlier this year (and his SSL record ain't too shabby too). Having a good H2H against top players is credible, but ultimately what matters result-wise (to me) is winning tournaments, or coming to close to winning (ironically in the case of my No. 1 choice).
gg no re thx
ZertoN
Profile Joined February 2014
Germany214 Posts
June 10 2017 21:16 GMT
#85
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (T)Maru
3. (Z)soO
4. (P)herO
5. (P)Classic
6. (T)TY
7. (Z)ByuL
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (Z)Dark
10. (T)ByuN
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 12 2017 02:22 GMT
#86
Guys not even a day left, time to post/edit your lists now!
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-12 04:18:06
June 12 2017 04:17 GMT
#87
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)soO
3. (P)Classic
4. (Z)Solar
5. (T)Maru
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Stats
8. (P)herO
9. (Z)Dark
10. (Z)ByuL
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ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
June 12 2017 05:44 GMT
#88
1. (Z)soO
2. (T)Maru
3. (T)GuMiho
4. (P)Classic
5. (T)ByuN
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Stats
8. (P)herO
9. (Z)Dark
10. (Z)Scarlett
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-12 06:17:11
June 12 2017 06:16 GMT
#89
On June 12 2017 14:44 ruypture wrote:
1. (Z)soO
2. (T)Maru
3. (T)GuMiho
4. (P)Classic
5. (T)ByuN
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Stats
8. (P)herO
9. (Z)Dark
10. (Z)Scarlett


You must be a really huge Scarlett fan, but I'm sorry to say that under any objective measurement of skill there's absolutely no way Scarlett should be there instead of INnoVation, ByuL, Solar, or aLive. It's not even like she won some big tournament yesterday and showed she was in the form of her life (maybe she is but we have no way of knowing).

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning behind putting her at #10 though.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-12 07:59:50
June 12 2017 07:55 GMT
#90
On June 12 2017 15:16 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 14:44 ruypture wrote:
1. (Z)soO
2. (T)Maru
3. (T)GuMiho
4. (P)Classic
5. (T)ByuN
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Stats
8. (P)herO
9. (Z)Dark
10. (Z)Scarlett


You must be a really huge Scarlett fan, but I'm sorry to say that under any objective measurement of skill there's absolutely no way Scarlett should be there instead of INnoVation, ByuL, Solar, or aLive. It's not even like she won some big tournament yesterday and showed she was in the form of her life (maybe she is but we have no way of knowing).

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning behind putting her at #10 though.


Hey! You're getting on him for Scarlett, but you both have Dark on your lists.

He doesn't even deserve top 3 of the Zergs atm let alone a spot in the top 10 among players. Middling results in SSL Premiere. Still never been past GSL ro16. Still absent from VSL. Only narrowly edged out ByuN in the Super Tournament. IEM WC is his only great result this year and that was some time ago.
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
June 12 2017 08:02 GMT
#91
Most lists are not full brain lists anyway. Hearts plays big too :p
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-12 08:48:14
June 12 2017 08:03 GMT
#92
1.(T)INnoVation
2.(P)Classic
3.(Z)soO
4.(T)TY
5.(P)herO
6.(P)Stats
7.(Z)Solar
8.(T)aLive
9.(P)herO
10. (T)ByuN
Man that was so hard... #11 to Byul,

INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 12 2017 08:14 GMT
#93
On June 12 2017 16:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 15:16 pvsnp wrote:
On June 12 2017 14:44 ruypture wrote:
1. (Z)soO
2. (T)Maru
3. (T)GuMiho
4. (P)Classic
5. (T)ByuN
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Stats
8. (P)herO
9. (Z)Dark
10. (Z)Scarlett


You must be a really huge Scarlett fan, but I'm sorry to say that under any objective measurement of skill there's absolutely no way Scarlett should be there instead of INnoVation, ByuL, Solar, or aLive. It's not even like she won some big tournament yesterday and showed she was in the form of her life (maybe she is but we have no way of knowing).

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning behind putting her at #10 though.


Hey! You're getting on him for Scarlett, but you both have Dark on your lists.

He doesn't even deserve top 3 of the Zergs atm let alone a spot in the top 10 among players. Middling results in SSL Premiere. Still never been past GSL ro16. Still absent from VSL. Only narrowly edged out ByuN in the Super Tournament. IEM WC is his only great result this year and that was some time ago.


"Middling" achievements as they may be, Scarlett has not done any better by a clear margin.

There's an arguable case for Dark to make Top 15, but not Scarlett (even Top 20 seems a stretch).
gg no re thx
zombieelephants
Profile Joined October 2014
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-12 13:19:22
June 12 2017 12:51 GMT
#94
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)soO
3. (P)Classic
4. (Z)Solar
5. (T)Maru
6. (T)ByuN
7. (P)herO
8. (T)TY
9. (T)GuMiho
10. (Z)Rogue
happykrogan
Profile Joined March 2017
Germany408 Posts
June 12 2017 12:57 GMT
#95
1.(Z)soO
2.(T)TY
3.(P)Classic
4.(T)INnoVation
5.(T)GuMiho
6.(T)Maru
7.(P)Stats
8.(Z)ByuL
9.(T)ByuN
10.(Z)Dark
egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
June 12 2017 13:23 GMT
#96
1.(T)INnoVation
2.(Z)soO
3.(P)herO
4.(T)GuMiho
5.(T)Maru
6.(Z)Solar
7.(P)Classic
8.(T)TY
9.(Z)ByuL
10.(P)Stats

Honorable mention:
11.(T)ByuN
12.(Z)Dark
13.(T)aLive
sOs TY PartinG
Witege
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany5 Posts
June 12 2017 13:33 GMT
#97
1. (T)GuMiho
2. (T)INnoVation
3. (Z)soO
4. (P)Classic
5. (Z)Solar
6. (T)Maru
7. (T)ByuN
8. (Z)Dark
9. (T)TY
10. (Z)ByuL
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-12 14:12:31
June 12 2017 14:11 GMT
#98
I have no Heart, so let's make an objective one. The only tournaments that matter and that Ever mattered are korean tournaments and the only thing that matter now is what happened quite recently, so let's just look at the RecenT events. I am not sure How good the VSL thing is and it's not really progressed far enough to be useful.

The Best and crucial and whatever tournament Has been always GSL, Which however isn't done.

Here we easily get 8 players in two tiers depenending on How they did in Ro8:

tier 1: GuMiho, Maru, Classic, soO
tier 2: TY, ByuN, Stats, Rogue

As for the SSL, I still consider it rather Less important, because of the format, but it comes in handy because it gives us

tier 3: INnoVation, Solar and ByuL

from playoffs, puting us to 11 players, so ByuL is gonna clearly bite the dust Here. Now How do we order those players? Let's Try ordering players in each tier by SSL results, because what else do we have?

1. (T)Maru
2. (P)Classic
3. (T)GuMiho
4. (Z)soO
5. (P)Stats
6. (T)ByuN
7. (T)TY
8. (Z)Rogue
9. (T)INnoVation
10. (Z)Solar

In the absence of Proleague and any reasonable global events, this is the only meaningful Way of doing this.

edit: lol, my tlpd/un-tlpd attempts have done some funny things to the capitalisation, no way I am gonna waste my time on fixing that
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ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
June 13 2017 04:12 GMT
#99
On June 12 2017 17:14 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2017 16:55 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 12 2017 15:16 pvsnp wrote:
On June 12 2017 14:44 ruypture wrote:
1. (Z)soO
2. (T)Maru
3. (T)GuMiho
4. (P)Classic
5. (T)ByuN
6. (T)TY
7. (P)Stats
8. (P)herO
9. (Z)Dark
10. (Z)Scarlett


You must be a really huge Scarlett fan, but I'm sorry to say that under any objective measurement of skill there's absolutely no way Scarlett should be there instead of INnoVation, ByuL, Solar, or aLive. It's not even like she won some big tournament yesterday and showed she was in the form of her life (maybe she is but we have no way of knowing).

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning behind putting her at #10 though.


Hey! You're getting on him for Scarlett, but you both have Dark on your lists.

He doesn't even deserve top 3 of the Zergs atm let alone a spot in the top 10 among players. Middling results in SSL Premiere. Still never been past GSL ro16. Still absent from VSL. Only narrowly edged out ByuN in the Super Tournament. IEM WC is his only great result this year and that was some time ago.


"Middling" achievements as they may be, Scarlett has not done any better by a clear margin.

There's an arguable case for Dark to make Top 15, but not Scarlett (even Top 20 seems a stretch).

brb lemme go sit down for a couple hours and think of the most accurate tier list i can come up with
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Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 18:42:36
June 13 2017 05:51 GMT
#100
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)soO
3. (T)ByuN
4. (T)TY
5. (P)Stats
6. (P)herO
7. (P)Classic
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (T)Maru
10. (Z)Dark
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