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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37114 Posts
In light of recent news in which Harstem, MajOr, and Lambo have all stated that they left Invasion eSport because they were never paid the money that they were owed, I felt compelled to share this as well.
In a recent interview with GuMiho through the tv show "dankshrine", hosted by "Toast", I had the pleasure of being the translator for GuMiho's LIVE Reddit AMA. In this interview, GuMiho revealed that he still has not been paid his DH 2nd place earnings of $5,000 from Invasion eSport. In fact, in the interview, GuMiho had this to say:
"Sebou initally said that he would pay me. He said this for about a year. When we heard nothing from him, Choya went public with the news. Sebou messaged us later and said that he was going to pay me but now is no longer going to because we brought this to the public's attention."
Quite honestly, this sickens me. If a player joins a team and works their butt off for the team's sake, then the least the team can do for that player is to pay them what their owed.
The 2015 DreamHack Open: Tours concluded back in May of 2015, which means GuMiho has been waiting to get his prize money for over a year and a half now. GuMiho also stated that Sebou and Invasion eSport had cut off all contact with him.
You can see the full interview here: https://www.twitch.tv/dankshrine/v/115283195 (The Invasion eSport stuff starts at 00:48:50)
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Well, that is unfortunate. I was slightly confused about who was being the bad guy here. At first I thought it was dreamhack - which is not the case though.
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This is just ridiculous. Someone gotta do something about this. Report this to Blizzard or DH perhaps? Let this conniving weasel, Sebou, getting away with murder is unacceptable. This kind of behavior goes unpunished is only encouraging more of this.
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South Korea2107 Posts
Aren't there any legal implications behind this? Can't they just file a lawsuit?
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On January 18 2017 04:27 ZiggyPG wrote:
Aren't there any legal implications behind this? Can't they just file a lawsuit?
With what money to pay for the lawyers?
The answer is yes, absolutely they can. Can they afford to see the lawsuit through? Thats a different matter entirely. It's complicated further by the fact that they're suing a Swiss organization internationally.
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These fuckers are so damn shady.. Fucking hate these money grabbing dicks!
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this guy sebou. everything is like bad news with him
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South Korea2107 Posts
What do they need a barrister for? This is a simple case, is it mandatory to have a representative in court?
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It's disgusted that a professional is not paid like this and has no way to seek justice.
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Are there any swiss Laywers here in the community?
Suing this piece of shit cannot be that hard. If a case like that would accur in germany, its quite easy to sue someone. And the Lawyers can be paid with the winning, or is even paid by the losing side.
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TCM-Gaming... Invasion eSport... no worth trash teams confirmed
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No team should ever be in charge of an individual players prize pool money.
Players who receive a salary should refuse to support any team if they are late on any salary payment.
Just my two cents.
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Afreeca/SBENU were partnered with Invasion for a while and they were also owed money. When Legend vented about the whole thing on Twitter (after Choya did the same), he said settling the issue legally overseas would cost them more than Sebou owed them. Maybe it's the same for GuMiho and Choya.
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On January 18 2017 05:28 NoobSkills wrote:
No team should ever be in charge of an individual players prize pool money.
Players who receive a salary should refuse to support any team if they are late on any salary payment.
Just my two cents.
The thing is, when the team is honest, it actually makes sense for the team to receive the money. Sometimes it's in the contract that the team gets a share form the prize money and from what I've heard it also reduces the amount of taxes that go into that money.
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yeah things like this make us miss kespa
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On January 18 2017 05:20 AlexGPunkt wrote:
Are there any swiss Laywers here in the community?
Suing this piece of shit cannot be that hard. If a case like that would accur in germany, its quite easy to sue someone. And the Lawyers can be paid with the winning, or is even paid by the losing side.
It would be a shame if people hired lawyers to sue Invasion, only to find out it's not really a company at all. Then who pays for the lawyer?
From their website: Invasion eSport is a french non-profit association managed by five members.
Did they create the non-profit? See steps here: https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/france/working/starting-a-business/non-profit-associations
A non-profit association created in France can function without being declared. In this case it does not exist as a legal entity and falls under the collective ownership of all its members.
However, the association must be declared if a bank account is needed, if it collects membership fees or arranges fundraising, or if the members undertake any legal action or buy or sell on its behalf.
Assuming they had a bank account, pretty sure Sebou posted on reddit that there is a team account, they would of had to declare the non-profit.
I checked the French business registry here: https://www.infogreffe.fr/documents-officiels/procedures-demarches-infogreffe.html and found nothing under "invasion esport" and nothing resembling them when I searched for only "invasion"
EDIT: I also looked at the Swiss registry and found no results. TL;DR Is Invasion eSport an organization at all?
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On January 18 2017 05:58 sharkie wrote:
yeah things like this make us miss kespa
These things happen with and without KeSPA. Most of the time he was waiting for his prize money GuMiho was on a Proleague team.
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PREFACE - Don't confuse this comment with me defending Invasion or Sebou. Screw those guys, I'm just giving you my experience with this story. When I say that this situation isn't clearly defined, don't take that the wrong way. kk?
I was working on this story a bit when it broke over the summer. I was in contact with both Sebou and Choya (though very very limited contact with Choya, his translator wanted to be paid and I couldn't afford to even make an offer). Neither party could give me anything to corroborate their story besides Skype screenshots from Sebou (which are easily doctored [and when each party posted these screenshots publicly, the other claimed that they were faked]). In fact what Sebou sent me seemed to have Choya writing VERY differently than he does normally (take that as you will).
I did reach out to Invasion for comment, and they claimed that any deals between Sebou and Gumiho/MKP were completely personal for Sebou and unattached from the team. You have to remember that Sebou wasn't the team owner, he was just a very wealthy team manager. Invasion also claimed that their contract with Startale had ended so no money was owed. The narrative there was that StarTale had breached the contract I think?
Sebou said he was in America at the time and he that the documents he had access to were limited. He sent me a batch of Skype screenshots and then posted a completely different set to twitter later. What he had sent me initially was basically irrelevant. It said nothing about the situation besides the fact that Choya and Sebou had talked, which both of them agreed on, they had obviously talked. And again, Skype screenshots are easily faked. And all the timestamps had been cropped out. He also claimed that because he was Swiss, there was no need for a contract, just a verbal agreement. Which seems like blatant BS-ery but heck maybe someone with international legal experience will step in and tell me otherwise.
I never did anything with the story because there was nothing for me to add that the public didn't already know. Sebou stopped replying to my questions and I wasn't able to find a translator to talk to Choya. And again, Sebou only had time-stamp-less skype screenshots. Choya posted twitter message logs that didn't reveal anything. No bank statements, no contracts, no transfer statements, nothing meaningful.
I just wanted to step in and remind people that Gumiho wasn't on Invasion when he placed at DH Tours. He was on MVP. Theoretically, the deal between Sebou and Choya/Gumiho was that he'd pay for the travel and hotel and he'd take what he was owed from Gumiho's winnings. It wasn't directly related to Invasion, as the team totally disowned the situation. Also wanted to talk a bit about my brief interaction with him.
Its a murky he-said/she-said situation here, but I think Sebou and Invasion have shown a pretty clear character streak now with conclusive proof of theft.
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