Community Feedback Update - December 20 - Page 10

On December 26 2016 23:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i'm happy with the game and how Blizzard has supported it the past 6+ years. you are dissatisfied. you're a consumer and you have many choices at your disposal. take all the time u r spending on this issue and use that time to earn money to buy an alternative.

On December 27 2016 04:40 imp42 wrote:

I can't agree really. You see, Blizzard is not just selling (or licensing) a finished piece of software that just adds all the value by itself. Quite to the contrary, a very significant part of the value of the game is created by the community. Via custom maps, third party tournaments, forums, streamers, and countless people contributing content to the complete body of StarCraft for free in one way or another.
In short, Blizzard benefits greatly from the community enhancing its product. If the relationship is to be fruitful and symbiotic, then maybe we as a community are entitled to certain value from Blizzards side as well?
"just buy an alternative" really is too shallow of a statement.

On December 27 2016 08:05 xTJx wrote:
Most of us followed SC2 and broodwar for years, we watched streamers, tournaments, epic GSL finals, epic Proleague games, had our favorite players, made friends related to the game, and we're mad because Blizzard never cared about making the game good and it all went to shit.

The "this game is just a product" and "you're mad because of a few changes" people don't even understand what Starcraft means to true fans.

On December 27 2016 09:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


the prime driver in this activity is consumers handing money to Blizzard to make the base game. without that none of the ancillary activity is possible. Blizzard can not continue to provide the infrastructure around the game without that cash. it might have been possible for someone to make a custom game like Zealot Hockey or a Custom Map without buying the game. That is highly unlikely.

the 3rd party tournaments can profit from sponsors. the streamers are in it for their own profits and you can watch this on twitch at any time. Blizzard makes their income possible via the game. and tthe prime driver of that is.... (see paragraph 1)

the fundamental relationship is consumer//vendor. Blizzard may try to sell you on some concept that consumer/vendor is not what is going on here; if you buy that line you've graduated from being a Blizzard customer to being a Blizzard mark.


every member of the clan i'm in is satisfied with the game and they've all been playing SC1,WC3,SC2 and other Blizzard games for 15+ years. i'm the youngest and newest to Blizzard with only 15 years of playing their games.

On December 27 2016 08:05 xTJx wrote:
People that are supporting Blizzard can't be called part of the community.

Most of us followed SC2 and broodwar for years, we watched streamers, tournaments, epic GSL finals, epic Proleague games, had our favorite players, made friends related to the game, and we're mad because Blizzard never cared about making the game good and it all went to shit.

The "this game is just a product" and "you're mad because of a few changes" people don't even understand what Starcraft means to true fans.

On December 27 2016 09:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


the prime driver in this activity is consumers handing money to Blizzard to make the base game. without that none of the ancillary activity is possible. Blizzard can not continue to provide the infrastructure around the game without that cash. [...]

the fundamental relationship is consumer//vendor. [...]

On December 27 2016 05:32 Foxxan wrote:
We are humans, we like options, we like variation, we like challenges, we like to use our brain to the fullest, we like to work, if the product is worthy of our brain we can spend endless energy on it.
This is not an opinion, this is a fact. Weather the product are selling well and are successfull is completely irrelevant, what matters is "Does our brain like it".

And alot of people dont know what that truly means because they dont analyse the product, the thing. They dont. Its people that do just that we should listen to and people that dont we should not listen to.

Saying "i like the product, go buy somehting else" is coming from people that dont do just this so arguing with those people is 100% waste of energy.

On December 27 2016 08:05 xTJx wrote:
People that are supporting Blizzard can't be called part of the community.

Most of us followed SC2 and broodwar for years, we watched streamers, tournaments, epic GSL finals, epic Proleague games, had our favorite players, made friends related to the game, and we're mad because Blizzard never cared about making the game good and it all went to shit.

The "this game is just a product" and "you're mad because of a few changes" people don't even understand what Starcraft means to true fans.

On December 27 2016 12:28 VHbb wrote:


I wonder where do you get this "most of us" from...
Anyhow SC:BW is going quite well right now so I'm wandering why you "true fan" didn't switch back not that I could possibly understand, since I clearly am not part of the community(of whiners)..

On December 27 2016 08:05 xTJx wrote:
People that are supporting Blizzard can't be called part of the community.
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On December 27 2016 21:41 insitelol wrote:




Guys, for real? I like how you just state that BW, WoL, first osl, gsl, w/e was "better" because more people liked/played it, then compare it to LotV (for instance), then make the most obvious (yet, superficial and arguable) conclusion, call this "analysis" and then tell everyone else they are "not true fans" not even worth your time along with throwing accusations at blizzard in "not supporting the scene"/"bad design choices"/"pros retiring" or w/e.

It will amuse you but game being popular back then may not be a direct circumstance of it being "ultimately better" than a present-day version. There is no (objective) definition of "being better" especially in terms of art (which games obviously belong to). People tend to make choices (whether to play/do something or not) according to given circumstances, which include: time they live in, their surroundings, their previous experience, alternative choices, their experience with alternative choices, their expectations based on thier experience of alternative choices and this list goes on and on. This is not as simple as "this is just a betah gaem so i gona play it". These choices are always irrational.

There is no more simplier way to "analyse" something than 1) take something successfull from the past 2) take something not-so-successfull from the present 3) point out something that distinguishes these two (limited unit selection, wargate) 4) blame that for being the core problem that lead to a failure 5) think you are smart because you "analysed" all of that 6) wonder why couldn't everyone understand these simple things.

But the truth is everything is not that simple. Changing protoss core design, removing "badly designed" MC or w/e is worth mentioning (and i do agree with that to some extent), but is that gonna drastically change the situation? I highly doubt that. As it was mentioned numerous times there are far more serious issues with RTS genre/gaming community. Issues that evolve constantly and rapidly (intense growth of the market, change of tastes etc etc), issues we cannot yet "analyse"/"take for granted"/"evaluate". And i doubt will ever be able to.

While i, myself, do not agree with what blizzard is doing to the game and my main complaint was always "not letting meta to settle", i do enjoy the game to a great extent. I truly cherish RTS because of the unique experience it offers: A feeling of total control of the game and responsibility for your every move that leads to a unlimited skill-ceiling. RTS establishes the only true connection to your units. They are not given to you by anyone. It's you who gathered the resourses, built the production facility, built them, sent them to death. No other game can deliver that and everytime i select a group of newly warped stalkers and start to move them around i feel accomplished, just by that. And this experience could not be ruined by anything as long as its true RTS which SC2 definitely is.

On December 27 2016 22:06 Gwavajuice wrote:



No, it's people like you that are not.

I even think that Blizzard is paying too much attention to people that don't like the game, patching the game to try and please them.

Thing is, each time they patch something major that these people are ranting about, these same people, instead of just saying "wow, nice", find something else to rant about. Simply because what they focus on at any given time is just an excuse they find to not liking the game, and is not relevant in any way.

Force field, warp in, bunker build time, larva inject, worker pairing : there will always be something that they'll call the devil in the game, something that is "ruining the game" for them, but change it and they ll find something else.

Because they don't find the game fun, but would like their opinion to be a fact and have a solid material proof that the game can't be fun to anyone.

But guess what? that's just your opinion, what am I saying? it's not even a effing opinion it's just your taste.

You're just like someone that doesn't like oysters and goes to anyone that actually eat oyster and try to convince them that oysters are disgusting.

Just like what you like, don't try and force people to like the same things as you.

Blizzard should have accepted the fact that some people would dislike sc2 no matter what and focused on people that like the game instead, it would have been a faster way to make the game better.

For instance, this community feedback thread on TL.net have been a total garbage for years, cause only 20% of people on this site actually play the game. Each times DK says something, you have the same people jumping on the thread, listing their pathetic thoughts as if it were the community's.

Because they all come up with different analysis and opinions, which are incompatible 90% of the time, but they still call themselves the community.

So, let's keep it simple : you don't play the game, you're not the community, go play something else, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

On December 27 2016 23:03 hiroshOne wrote:
Comparing BW succes to sc2 situation is stupid. Broodwar flourished in time when only 2 multiplayer games were worth to be called esports games- BW and Quake III. There was no moba games and no market of massive multiplayer games. Different times, different circumstances. Stop comparing those two as at the time BW was basically the only rts that mattered.