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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 27 2016 19:48 GMT
#21
What a nice and click-bait title.
Neric
Profile Joined August 2015
5 Posts
November 27 2016 19:49 GMT
#22
It is very simple: The game got destroyed by expansions. You can see a similar problem with other titles like WoW.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany861 Posts
November 27 2016 19:51 GMT
#23
None of you got the message, Firecare with the end of Proleague, HSC and probably GSL and DH SC2 may be dead as esport. No Tournaments = no teams = no players = no competition.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 27 2016 20:05 GMT
#24
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

It's honestly had a direct negative influence on the game. Who's gonna sponsor a game when the first thing anyone says when it's brought up is "lol ded game"

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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 20:22:32
November 27 2016 20:07 GMT
#25
On November 28 2016 03:49 Ppjack wrote:
shouldn't all the dead game prophets be banned from TL ?
thought it was against the rules


Where's Seeker who's been stalking me and banning for 1 week freaking twice for nothing? I didn't even get answer from him. Entire thread is about "dead game" concept. Why no one gets banned this time, huh?!!! Are you man enough now to admit this? Or you gonna repeat again? If I get ban this is joke... I'm going to write directly to Nazgul.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12770 Posts
November 27 2016 20:09 GMT
#26
On November 28 2016 05:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

It's honestly had a direct negative influence on the game. Who's gonna sponsor a game when the first thing anyone says when it's brought up is "lol ded game"


If I understand correctly he is talking about the esport death of sc2, not the death of sc2, which would translate into empty ladder and stuff like that (and that isn't the case in 1v1). Since there are real signs and consequences of decline/death (end of proleague, new WCS induced retirements, star players retirement, teams disbanding) there is actually something to talk about right now. I didn't watch the video but I'm pretty sure it isn't about daed game memes, it's probably thoughtful.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 27 2016 20:18 GMT
#27
On November 28 2016 05:09 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 05:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

It's honestly had a direct negative influence on the game. Who's gonna sponsor a game when the first thing anyone says when it's brought up is "lol ded game"


If I understand correctly he is talking about the esport death of sc2, not the death of sc2, which would translate into empty ladder and stuff like that (and that isn't the case in 1v1). Since there are real signs and consequences of decline/death (end of proleague, new WCS induced retirements, star players retirement, teams disbanding) there is actually something to talk about right now. I didn't watch the video but I'm pretty sure it isn't about daed game memes, it's probably thoughtful.

Regardless of what specific aspect of the game he's talking about and if there are signs of it or not, we need to stop using the words dead and death. When casuals start spamming that shit everywhere because some one told them SC2 died then it has a real effect on SC2
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 20:21:37
November 27 2016 20:21 GMT
#28
On November 28 2016 04:49 Neric wrote:
It is very simple: The game got destroyed by expansions. You can see a similar problem with other titles like WoW.


I highly agree with this, WoW is quiet good example. Those fellas who launched petition for returning vanilla WoW are like BW players which want their game back.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 27 2016 20:25 GMT
#29
On November 28 2016 04:49 Neric wrote:
It is very simple: The game got destroyed by expansions. You can see a similar problem with other titles like WoW.


I disagree, for the most part the expansions have only made the game better, not worse. This thread in general is really silly, SC2 isn't dead. Is it as popular e-sport wise as 5 years ago? No, but it still has a scene and is doing fine.
When I think of something else, something will go here
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 27 2016 20:26 GMT
#30
What is dead may never die.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 27 2016 20:26 GMT
#31
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

and we haven't even gotten to the WCS announcement yet.
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 27 2016 20:31 GMT
#32
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

When when pro players start saying that the pro scene is dying that's not really a good sign.
BalanceEnforcer
Profile Joined February 2016
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 20:51:32
November 27 2016 20:40 GMT
#33
Macro is "killing" this game, LoL is all Micro. I have played on and off since release and together with many others we still hate having to inject larva, forgetting to build workers and units, build additional production buildings, look the minimap and drop mules all while microing our little hearths out to the point our dear souls eventually died f10+Ning thinking this game is fucking stupid because all my opponent really did was pressing some button cuz micro doesnt award enough contra camping and amassing units etc. This is atleast why i gave up on this game. So with that said, may Wc4 live a very very long life.
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
November 27 2016 20:44 GMT
#34
On November 28 2016 04:08 Ppjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 04:01 aXa wrote:
On November 28 2016 03:59 True_Spike wrote:
On November 28 2016 03:55 aXa wrote:
On November 28 2016 03:49 Ppjack wrote:
shouldn't all the dead game prophets be banned from TL ?
thought it was against the rules


Except it's not prophecy anymore.


Yeah, only 2 million people log in to play each month. Dead game.


This video talks about the "e-sport" death of the game.


Decline is not synonym to death.
The only thing that is dead for sure is the career of firecake

Couldn't agree more
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 20:51:38
November 27 2016 20:44 GMT
#35
On November 28 2016 05:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

It's honestly had a direct negative influence on the game. Who's gonna sponsor a game when the first thing anyone says when it's brought up is "lol ded game"



I don't think the dead game comments are appropriate (nor is this thread in my opinion), and I don't make those comments. But I don't think they had any influence.

Sponsors are smart enough to look at the viewership, which has been in steady decline, long before we got dead game comments. Would you want to sponsor something with declining viewership regardless of negativity on a forum? I think a good measure of the health of SC2 is the strategy forum. It used to be booming, with lots people posting strats and looking for help. Now it is nearly dead.

Starcraft is declining because of game design decisions.
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
November 27 2016 20:45 GMT
#36
Wow, this is an entire thread dedicated to calling it a dead game . The level of whining has evolved!
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
November 27 2016 20:47 GMT
#37
On November 28 2016 05:09 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 05:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

It's honestly had a direct negative influence on the game. Who's gonna sponsor a game when the first thing anyone says when it's brought up is "lol ded game"


If I understand correctly he is talking about the esport death of sc2, not the death of sc2, which would translate into empty ladder and stuff like that (and that isn't the case in 1v1). Since there are real signs and consequences of decline/death (end of proleague, new WCS induced retirements, star players retirement, teams disbanding) there is actually something to talk about right now. I didn't watch the video but I'm pretty sure it isn't about daed game memes, it's probably thoughtful.

I don't think he is that stupid to not realize that this title alone is carrying these fucking memes spread by braindead people.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 20:48:12
November 27 2016 20:48 GMT
#38
Can we talk about the fact that the subtitles are transparent, which makes them ridiculously difficult to read. Can someone just sum up his points in the video? I know SC2 should have been released with ingame chat as he says, but SC2 was on top of the world when it didn't have ingame chat, that was not the reason for the decline.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 27 2016 20:53 GMT
#39
On November 28 2016 05:44 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 05:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 28 2016 04:38 SC2Towelie wrote:
This "dead game" shit is honestly getting ridiculous...

It's honestly had a direct negative influence on the game. Who's gonna sponsor a game when the first thing anyone says when it's brought up is "lol ded game"



I don't think the dead game comments are appropriate (nor is this thread in my opinion), and I don't make those comments. But I don't think they had any influence.

Sponsors are smart enough to look at the viewership, which has been in steady decline, long before we got dead game comments.

Starcraft is declining because of game design decisions.

Starcraft is declining because of many, many reasons. Game design decisions are likely a big factor though, i agree.
"ded geam" comments are stupid, but at the same time people who ignore the bad things which are happening aren't helping either. Having an open conversation about it is way more constructive and big community figures should do that in some way or form.
I mean i think these overly negative comments without any perspective "ded gaem", etc have an impact on people who maybe would join the scene otherwise. New players who aren't sure, if you look at the sc2 subreddit there sometimes are posts of people who ask if it is still worth it because they can read anywhere (lol reddit, csgo reddit, etc) that sc2 is a "dead game".
Ofc it impacts the scene a bit. I wouldn't say that it's a huge factor though.


I didn't watch the video though, not interested to watch a french video when the person is european and could have done an english video instead.
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
November 27 2016 21:02 GMT
#40
On November 28 2016 03:31 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2016 03:25 XenOsky- wrote:
Is not a good game, it never was, no need to overcomplicate over this. Blizzard tryied to force the game into korea's mainstream and didn't work, it was kinda popular in the west for a little while but League Of Legends is far superior in terms of spectating, and the fact that the game is free to play just killed sc2.


It's one of the biggest best selling pc game of the last decade, and got a huge following for many year with still tens of thousand of people playing it. I think it's fair to say it is a good game.


There was a statistic from Blizzard around 2011 that said less than half of the people who purchased the game touched any of its multiplayer features. Just saying. Many people used to buy Blizzard games for the SP alone regardless of how balanced or well designed the MP was. I say used to because they haven't released many games with SP content lately, but yeah.
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