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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On November 04 2016 19:40 Penev wrote: So the side bar shows the goodbye proleague event right now. Anyone know if it's still going and if so if there is a stream? | ||
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Elentos
55554 Posts
Not really much happening though. | ||
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Penev
28485 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
Yeah like... it's not that we're getting more than a talk-show with just vods, although it's an another situation where I feel slightly annoyed how Koreans don't give a shit about other communities  I'd like to listen to what they possibly can talk aboutI mean like... did they never know how many people not knowing Korean have a ton of interest towards it? It never crossed their minds? For 14 years? All we got was casting in the SC2 part of it which I appreciate of course, but it's like a "just being nice" gesture instead of truly reaching out to the non-Korean community which would immensely help their scene, is it about pride, nationalism or something? Think of all these post-GSL talk-shows that we're never going to get translated even partially, I remember how they were trying to encode or something their Korean yt streams to not be viewable outside of Korea, in most of the tournaments they were getting full HD quality while non-Koreans always had to pay for those. Can you imagine Koreans having to pay for international streams while it is a long-standard for the tournaments to have free high quality broadcast? Or geoblocking those? Like these subscriptions on Twitch to these channels hosting KeSPA-supported tournaments were almost like a free profit for them, with no intention of giving anything back for the support. I may be getting overboard slightly with my comparisons but one thing is sure - Korean scene in general never really gave a shit about foreign/players or most importantly fans. | ||
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Penev
28485 Posts
yet so far away.. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
I think I've gone from stage 3 to stage 5 on the grief scale watching this. It's like a funeral, a funeral we weren't invited to | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On November 04 2016 19:45 aQuaSC wrote: Yeah like... it's not that we're getting more than a talk-show with just vods, although it's an another situation where I feel slightly annoyed how Koreans don't give a shit about other communities I'd like to listen to what they possibly can talk aboutI mean like... did they never know how many people not knowing Korean have a ton of interest towards it? It never crossed their minds? For 14 years? All we got was casting in the SC2 part of it which I appreciate of course, but it's like a "just being nice" gesture instead of truly reaching out to the non-Korean community which would immensely help their scene, is it about pride, nationalism or something? completley agree  the sad truth is, foreigners cared and watched proleague more than koreans (and SC2 truth be told) | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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lelfreg
92 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On November 04 2016 19:59 dankobanana wrote: completley agree the sad truth is, foreigners cared and watched proleague more than koreans (and SC2 truth be told) It's sad and somewhat funny in what ways both scenes were and are related to each other. Koreans care about Koreans, while foreigners care the same about them if not more. Everyone was always looking up to Korea and they never cared about those looking up to them, it's like listening to a girl you're in love with but is out of your league having fun on a party in an apartment next to yours, haha. I'm not angry, but it's really sad sometimes how the cross-scene relationship looked like over the years. A ton of missed opportunities | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2115 Posts
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Penev
28485 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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Elentos
55554 Posts
On November 04 2016 20:03 ZiggyPG wrote: I think they just confirmed SpoTV StarLeague is going to take place next year Missed it, hope it's true. | ||
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Mekare
Germany393 Posts
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gdarky
Latvia78 Posts
On November 04 2016 19:59 dankobanana wrote: completley agree the sad truth is, foreigners cared and watched proleague more than koreans (and SC2 truth be told) Do you have any stats, or your opinion is based on YT views? There is some possibility, that korean fans are watching SC2 on TV, not the online stream. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On November 04 2016 20:30 gdarky wrote: Do you have any stats, or your opinion is based on YT views? There is some possibility, that korean fans are watching SC2 on TV, not the online stream. Maybe it's not some super-solid evidence since it's "just" YT views, but in general English vods for SC2 have much more views than vods in Korean on esportstv channel. Especially Proleague vods. It would be nice to know how to look up StarCraft tv stats in Korea though, no idea how to do it and I assume I must know Korean, so if you ever use TV stats as an argument in a popularity debate it's esentially a shutdown argument | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On November 04 2016 20:47 aQuaSC wrote: Maybe it's not some super-solid evidence since it's "just" YT views, but in general English vods for SC2 have much more views than vods in Korean on esportstv channel. Especially Proleague vods. It would be nice to know how to look up StarCraft tv stats in Korea though, no idea how to do it and I assume I must know Korean, so if you ever use TV stats as an argument in a popularity debate it's esentially a shutdown argument the sole fact that we do not know for sure speaks volumes about Koreas community relationship to the rest of the world. check JDs interview (and others). They always say that they are surprised at foreign fans. By their number and by their intensity. Its beyond me why most of Korean SC progamers do not speak english nor (at least) why most of the interviews or pre-game videos dont get english subtitles :\ Proleague wasnt viable as is. And that was "a local SC2 league". Too bad they never tried to make it international and cater to the audience that actually wanted the content | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
But for some vocal minority even among non-Koreans it would be a blasphemy I presume | ||
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