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Welcome to this month's top streamers list! Sorry for the delay - holidays and all that...
Huh? What's this?
I run Fuzic - which collects statistics and rankings of StarCraft II live streams - and these threads are a summary of the viewer numbers for the past month. They are a continuation of Conti's threads. Check previous month's thread for more info on the differences between these threads and Conti's.
Data is sourced from fuzic, and additional up-to-date stats may be found there. But in these threads - which I will try to post at the beginning of every month - there will be a monthly summary so you can get a quick overview of that month's viewer numbers.
Highlights
- Big newcomer and almost ending Winter's reign is UltraGamer500,
Stephen Hawking's stream a stream that replays recorded games from other streamers, plays random voice-generated comments over them, and has a viewership/chat channel that seems to consist mostly of (view)bots. Make of that what you will...
- DreamHack Valencia did well this month, topping at 44k viewers during the match between Nercho and MarineLorD.
- TotalBiscuit clearly hasn't been forgotten by the StarCraft community, scoring almost 32k viewers during the comeback of ShoutCraft. Here's hoping for more!
- As always, suggestions and requests are welcome!
Inclusion criteria or: why are Winter (and UltraGamer500) in the list‽
The rankings list any stream that is reported on by the APIs of the various streaming services (Twitch, Azubu, etc). I have no way of verifying to what extent someone's viewers are legitimate, and therefore will not independently ban someone from the rankings. Please do not start (another) discussion about this in this thread.
The lists
"VxH" is the average amount of viewers multiplied by the amount of hours the streamer has streamed during that month. The list is sorted by this metric, as it gives a good impression of the streamer's activity through the month.
You can click the links below the charts for additional stats and a list you can sort by whichever metric you prefer.
![[image loading]](http://www.fuzic.nl/assets/stats/sc2-2016-07-matches.png) Note that some matches may be missing: this part is reliant on whether the matches were listed in TL's calendar
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top 2: Winter ans ultragamer
nice to see that Shoutcraft pulled such big numbers in
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Esl stream could be so much better if they can play some of the newer matches imo.
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TLO vs Stephano wasn't exactly top 5 matches, but people were on the Stephano hype train, so it got a lot of viewers, was very nice to see.
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Absolutely excited to see Ultragamer's completely legit career take off so suddenly.
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On August 07 2016 00:06 HerbMon wrote:
do scbw please :D
Ask and ye shall receive... though as you'll see the script doesn't deal with Korean characters too well 
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EDIT: Take these numbers with a grain of salt - I haven't really checked their accuracy
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If you ever feel lonesome: Just visit Ultragamer Stream and chat with some friendly bots
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Why does it say "teamless" on  TRUE's profile?
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Where are you pulling those star1 numbers from? They look way too low.
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On August 07 2016 05:27 purakushi wrote:
Where are you pulling those star1 numbers from? They look way too low.
Afreeca, Twitch, etc APIs. See the Fuzic FAQ for more info. If there is a streaming service that doesn't have an API, or that I don't know of, or if a lot of streams stream without putting themselves under the "Starcraft 1" category, then they wouldn't be included. I don't think that is the case, but it could be, which is also why I haven't really been advertising the SC1 numbers - I'd need to be more confident about their accuracy first.
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They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
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On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k, bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
In SC2 O_o?
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On August 07 2016 05:34 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k, bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well. In SC2 O_o?
Brood war.
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I was under the impression that Twitch had figured out how to shut down botters. Apparently one of the websites said that they can't function anymore? Is there another service that's still up? I plead ignorance, I don't know that much about it honestly.
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On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
Is this on afreeca.com?
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UltraGamer500! New!
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MarineLorD is good for business.
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For somebody who didn't know, Ultragamer is PatchToss. The purpose of his streaming is to make fun of Winter's botting and Bronze challenge and Avilo's stream/hack cheating.
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On August 07 2016 07:33 GSTL wrote:
For somebody who didn't know, Ultragamer is PatchToss. The purpose of his streaming is to make fun of Winter's botting and Bronze challenge and Avilo's stream/hack cheating.
I think everyone gets the meaning of it, though I don't think it's funny.
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On August 06 2016 23:39 Ej_ wrote:
top 2: Winter ans ultragamer
nice to see that Shoutcraft pulled such big numbers in
with great leaders, pillars of the community, and just plain great men.... like UltraGamer500 and Winter leading SC2 into the future that is so bright.. i gotta wear shades
i agree about Shoutcraft...its great to see. TB has earned every single view; he always produces a solid product and sometimes a great product.
On August 07 2016 05:52 CyanEsports wrote:
I was under the impression that Twitch had figured out how to shut down botters. Apparently one of the websites said that they can't function anymore? Is there another service that's still up? I plead ignorance, I don't know that much about it honestly.
every single giant media company always errs on the side of producing large viewer/reader/listener #s. asking Twitch to police themselves is like asking the fox to guard the henhouse. many media companies just outright bullshit... and its revealed years later.
the Destiny game is a giant viewbotting warehouse.
i don't believe what Bell GlobeMedia tells me about the ratings on CTV... i don't believe what Rogers Communications tells me about how they are losing oodles of cash on the Toronto Blue Jays... and i damn sure don't believe a single damn # coming out of Twitch.tv
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On August 07 2016 00:04 ejozl wrote:
TLO vs Stephano wasn't exactly top 5 matches, but people were on the Stephano hype train, so it got a lot of viewers, was very nice to see.
Stephano vs herO was when I started listing matches on TL calendar
Missing info on the earlier series like Nerchio vs Dear/GuMiho which might've been more
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Ultragamer for featured streamer?
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Great to see new talent like Ultragamer500 rise to the top so fast. Proves that if you have the skills, the audience will follow.
/s
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On August 07 2016 06:04 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
Is this on afreeca.com?
Yeah, afreecatv.com. For example, bisu right now has 4k viewers whereas your table right now indicates 977 as peak.
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On August 07 2016 23:11 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2016 06:04 Stijn wrote:On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
Is this on afreeca.com? Yeah, afreecatv.com. For example, bisu right now has 4k viewers whereas your table right now indicates 977 as peak.
Because the table is about SC 2 and not BW.
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On August 07 2016 07:33 GSTL wrote:
For somebody who didn't know, Ultragamer is PatchToss. The purpose of his streaming is to make fun of Winter's botting and Bronze challenge and Avilo's stream/hack cheating.
Oh, I didn't think you could waste time and throw away your life more than watching Avilo. This beats it.
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On August 08 2016 05:02 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2016 23:11 B-royal wrote:On August 07 2016 06:04 Stijn wrote:On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
Is this on afreeca.com? Yeah, afreecatv.com. For example, bisu right now has 4k viewers whereas your table right now indicates 977 as peak. Because the table is about SC 2 and not BW.
Uh, what are you talking about? He actually provided the results for brood war as well.
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So UltraGamer500 featured on TL Live Streams when?
Full time or regular streamer that is considered insightful and informative who plays at a high level, with at least 100-150 viewers
Full time streamer with at least 250 constant viewers
Consistent streamer with high enough viewers and arguably insightful commentary
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On August 07 2016 23:11 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2016 06:04 Stijn wrote:On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
Is this on afreeca.com? Yeah, afreecatv.com. For example, bisu right now has 4k viewers whereas your table right now indicates 977 as peak.
Thanks, looks like mobile viewers weren't included in the stats. They will be from now on!
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On August 08 2016 08:53 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2016 23:11 B-royal wrote:On August 07 2016 06:04 Stijn wrote:On August 07 2016 05:32 B-royal wrote:
They aren't accurate as Flash for example pulls in a regular amount of viewers around 4-7k ("peak"), bisu often hits regular numbers around 2-4k as well.
Is this on afreeca.com? Yeah, afreecatv.com. For example, bisu right now has 4k viewers whereas your table right now indicates 977 as peak. Thanks, looks like mobile viewers weren't included in the stats. They will be from now on!
Awesome! Very excited to see the updated stats in the future 
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So who is this UltraGamer500 guy?
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Thanks for BW stats, even though they are not correct :D
SC2 streamers ranking looks pretty sad to me.
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On August 08 2016 17:09 WidowMineHero wrote:
So who is this UltraGamer500 guy?
On August 07 2016 07:33 GSTL wrote:
For somebody who didn't know, Ultragamer is PatchToss. The purpose of his streaming is to make fun of Winter's botting and Bronze challenge and Avilo's stream/hack cheating.
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On August 08 2016 19:15 letian wrote:
Thanks for BW stats, even though they are not correct :D
SC2 streamers ranking looks pretty sad to me.
In afreeca, there are two numbers: total viewers and numbers of people currently in your chat room you were randomly selected in.
Seems like he took numbers from people in the chat room he is currently in.
Kinda ridiculous how he just took some random numbers from a site without knowing what they mean
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How authentic is UltraGamer's numbers? Are they not skewed by bots? You allow bots in your determining of stats? Seems to not properly represent "top" streamers, just streamers who have a high view count. "view" count.
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On August 09 2016 02:33 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
How authentic is UltraGamer's numbers? Are they not skewed by bots? You allow bots in your determining of stats? Seems to not properly represent "top" streamers, just streamers who have a high view count. "view" count.
If you have a way to differentiate bots from real viewers, throw it out there. If it was that easy to definitively say "Those numbers are bots" then Twitch wouldn't have a botting issue in the first place.
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On August 09 2016 01:36 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2016 19:15 letian wrote:
Thanks for BW stats, even though they are not correct :D
SC2 streamers ranking looks pretty sad to me. In afreeca, there are two numbers: total viewers and numbers of people currently in your chat room you were randomly selected in. Seems like he took numbers from people in the chat room he is currently in. Kinda ridiculous how he just took some random numbers from a site without knowing what they mean
Woah woah woah, you're jumping to conclusions here. The numbers come from the Afreeca API. Each stream has multiple viewer counts listed for it, and I happened to use the "current viewer count" metric, which apparently doesn't include mobile viewers (it's listed as "desktop viewers" on Afreeca). It's true that I wasn't aware that "current viewer count" doesn't include all viewers (maybe it did before? I can't check, unfortunately), but it's not like I went to Afreeca, picked a random number and used that as the metric.
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thanks for making corrections to your process. thanks for putting in the effort and absorbing the criticisms and turning them into something contructive even when the poster is overly negative.
gg wp.
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On August 09 2016 02:33 dr3am_b3ing wrote:
How authentic is UltraGamer's numbers? Are they not skewed by bots? You allow bots in your determining of stats? Seems to not properly represent "top" streamers, just streamers who have a high view count. "view" count.
Of course authentic - Twitched "cleared" WInter's stream, PatchToss obviously is not cheating too since he has the same number of viewers as Winter.
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On August 09 2016 03:02 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 01:36 duke91 wrote:On August 08 2016 19:15 letian wrote:
Thanks for BW stats, even though they are not correct :D
SC2 streamers ranking looks pretty sad to me. In afreeca, there are two numbers: total viewers and numbers of people currently in your chat room you were randomly selected in. Seems like he took numbers from people in the chat room he is currently in. Kinda ridiculous how he just took some random numbers from a site without knowing what they mean Woah woah woah, you're jumping to conclusions here. The numbers come from the Afreeca API. Each stream has multiple viewer counts listed for it, and I happened to use the "current viewer count" metric, which apparently doesn't include mobile viewers (it's listed as "desktop viewers" on Afreeca). It's true that I wasn't aware that "current viewer count" doesn't include all viewers (maybe it did before? I can't check, unfortunately), but it's not like I went to Afreeca, picked a random number and used that as the metric.
Still a simple check on the sidebar would have sufficed to see that your numbers are totally off and should not be published as such. Look at https://bwstreams.appspot.com/. Their current viewers are all by about an order of magnitude higher than your estimates.
You should take your estimates out as otherwise it could be wrongly cross-referenced.
Appreciate your effort, but please be careful next time.
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Ultragamer500's meteoric stream rise seems really similar to how Winter's stream rose. Great to have these mega ethical businessmen in our community.
-_-
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On August 09 2016 14:24 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 03:02 Stijn wrote:On August 09 2016 01:36 duke91 wrote:On August 08 2016 19:15 letian wrote:
Thanks for BW stats, even though they are not correct :D
SC2 streamers ranking looks pretty sad to me. In afreeca, there are two numbers: total viewers and numbers of people currently in your chat room you were randomly selected in. Seems like he took numbers from people in the chat room he is currently in. Kinda ridiculous how he just took some random numbers from a site without knowing what they mean Woah woah woah, you're jumping to conclusions here. The numbers come from the Afreeca API. Each stream has multiple viewer counts listed for it, and I happened to use the "current viewer count" metric, which apparently doesn't include mobile viewers (it's listed as "desktop viewers" on Afreeca). It's true that I wasn't aware that "current viewer count" doesn't include all viewers (maybe it did before? I can't check, unfortunately), but it's not like I went to Afreeca, picked a random number and used that as the metric. Still a simple check on the sidebar would have sufficed to see that your numbers are totally off and should not be published as such. Look at https://bwstreams.appspot.com/. Their current viewers are all by about an order of magnitude higher than your estimates. You should take your estimates out as otherwise it could be wrongly cross-referenced. Appreciate your effort, but please be careful next time.
>Provides free service without being asked
>Does extra work at users' request
>Gets shitted on anyway
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On August 09 2016 23:35 sweffymo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2016 14:24 duke91 wrote:On August 09 2016 03:02 Stijn wrote:On August 09 2016 01:36 duke91 wrote:On August 08 2016 19:15 letian wrote:
Thanks for BW stats, even though they are not correct :D
SC2 streamers ranking looks pretty sad to me. In afreeca, there are two numbers: total viewers and numbers of people currently in your chat room you were randomly selected in. Seems like he took numbers from people in the chat room he is currently in. Kinda ridiculous how he just took some random numbers from a site without knowing what they mean Woah woah woah, you're jumping to conclusions here. The numbers come from the Afreeca API. Each stream has multiple viewer counts listed for it, and I happened to use the "current viewer count" metric, which apparently doesn't include mobile viewers (it's listed as "desktop viewers" on Afreeca). It's true that I wasn't aware that "current viewer count" doesn't include all viewers (maybe it did before? I can't check, unfortunately), but it's not like I went to Afreeca, picked a random number and used that as the metric. Still a simple check on the sidebar would have sufficed to see that your numbers are totally off and should not be published as such. Look at https://bwstreams.appspot.com/. Their current viewers are all by about an order of magnitude higher than your estimates. You should take your estimates out as otherwise it could be wrongly cross-referenced. Appreciate your effort, but please be careful next time. >Provides free service without being asked >Does extra work at users' request >Gets shitted on anyway
BW is love, BW is life.
Misrepresenting BW's popularity is a serious offense
It's very much appreciated that he puts in a lot of effort to bring these statistics. However, I'm sure he understands that bringing out erroneous statistics (and not by a small margin) can backfire and be interpreted as intentionally misleading, regardless of good intentions or not. So while I do not condone aggressive and spiteful feedback, I am not surprised by it occuring.
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Man, lemme tell ya, I'm really loving that Ultragamer stream. He's such a refreshing new streamer, he brings a lot of insight to the game. I've learned so much from watching his stream, I'm so excited he's finally getting the viewership he deserves! After watching him stream for about 10 days, it's obvious he's very dedicated to SC2. And the best part is, his chat is so active!
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