|
Welcome to this month's top streamers list!
Huh? What's this?
As you may have noticed, this is not Conti writing this. Conti used to post monthly top 50 streamers threads, but stopped doing so after May 2015. I run Fuzic - which collects the same kind of data - and a few people asked me whether I could maybe post such stats now no one else was doing it anymore, so here we are!
Data is sourced from fuzic.nl, and additional up-to-date stats may be found there. But in these threads - which I will try to post every month from now on if people like it - there will be a monthly summary so you can get a quick overview of that month's viewer numbers.
The end of April is a few weeks behind us already, but I'm posting this primarily so I can gather feedback on what kind of stats people would like to see for next month. So if there's any additional data you'd like to see, or if you have any other suggestions, leave a reply and I'll see what I can do.
This thread is something of a beta test  Data may be off here and there but should overall give a good impression of who has been the most prolific streamer. Bugs and flaws will be addressed and fixed for next month's list.
Differences with Conti's threads
There are a few differences with Conti's data. I do not list teams or races for streamers and I'm also not showing event stats specifically for WCS/Proleague. Instead I'm showing the overall top 20 events for this month. If you think the old charts would be important to retain instead, let me know. Alternatively, you can click through via the links below the images to see extended information for the rankings that includes some of these details.
I also decided to add a (shorter) list of most viewed caster streams for the month, and a top 5 of best viewed matches (as far as these were registered by the tracker). Let me know if this is useful.
For now I've decided not to add highlights ("streamer x has been especially active this month") as this is the first month I'm doing this and I don't really have the perspective needed to do so. Might be something to add in the future though.
Why is Winter in the list???
Winter is in the charts because he shows up in the data supplied by Twitch's API, same as for everyone else. I decided not to exclude anyone as I have no way of independently verifying whether someone's numbers are legit. If you do not think Winter should be in this list, feel free to ignore him. Please do not start (another) discussion about whether he should be included or not.
The lists
"VxH" is the average amount of viewers multiplied by the amount of hours the streamer has streamed during that month. The list is sorted by this metric, as it gives a good impression of the streamer's activity through the month.
You can click the links below the charts for additional stats and a list you can sort by whichever metric you prefer.
![[image loading]](http://www.fuzic.nl/assets/stats/sc2-2016-04-matches.png) Note that some matches may be missing: this part is reliant on whether the matches were listed in TL's calendar
Older entries
+ Show Spoiler +
|
|
|
That's a pretty strong downward trend those last few months.
|
Sad to see, that we are just 6 months after lotv release, back on the same average viewer count as at the end of hots :/
|
On May 20 2016 04:02 B-royal wrote:
That's a pretty strong downward trend those last few months.
It it stll higher than last month of hots. The hype of new expansion brought a lot of new/old people returned. For most people there was a reason why they left/weren't interested before. Only a small amount is retained after the hype has faded.
|
Germany15880 Posts
Streamer: Stephano, average: 380, peak: 28784
What happened there?
|
Thanks for the effort in creating this thread.
are you sure BaseTradeTV has an average of 294 viewers? That seems very low.
|
On May 20 2016 04:17 Charoisaur wrote:
Streamer: Stephano, average: 380, peak: 28784
What happened there?
Hmm, that's a very good question. Here's the session in which he got 28,784 viewers. That only happened at the very beginning of the session, and only for one minute.
What happened? Could've been a glitch in the Twitch API, could've been riding off another session or an event (though I'd imagine there would be a more gradual decline then). I'm not sure, but probably Stephano didn't actually have that many viewers.
On May 20 2016 04:21 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Thanks for the effort in creating this thread.
are you sure BaseTradeTV has an average of 294 viewers? That seems very low.
Good catch. Looks like the chart didn't include event streams (like the player stream ranking), which is of course kind of useless for caster streams. It now includes all streams and BaseTradeTV is back at the top where it belongs
|
Ouch, that viewer count per month decrease hurts...
|
Really interesting, thanks for making this.
I'm slightly concerned about my life after seeing I was live for a week and a day during April ...
|
On May 20 2016 04:08 Alluton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 04:02 B-royal wrote:
That's a pretty strong downward trend those last few months. It it stll higher than last month of hots. The hype of new expansion brought a lot of new/old people returned. For most people there was a reason why they left/weren't interested before. Only a small amount is retained after the hype has faded.
And it's also lower than all of the rest of the months of Hots.
|
Sick how some casters stream more than actual streamers.
|
Winter is amazing.
i'd like to take this post to personally thank Winter for his great work in revitalizing the SC2 scene.
truly great work by a great man.
Congratz Winter. we need more guys just like you!
|
On May 20 2016 04:51 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Winter is amazing.
i'd like to take this post to personally thank Winter for his great work in revitalizing the SC2 scene.
truly great work by a great man.
Congratz Winter. we need more guys just like you!
I don't think memes are allowed on teamliquid.
Certainly hope this downward trend doesn't stay that way for LotV. Good to see that events are holding strong at least.
|
Isn't it about time Winter is removed from this? His views clearly aren't legitimate.
|
Thumbs up for the work you have put into this
|
|
|
On May 20 2016 05:42 Aggression1 wrote:
Isn't it about time Winter is removed from this? His views clearly aren't legitimate.
What do you mean? Has it all been a lie. FUCK.
|
On May 20 2016 05:42 Aggression1 wrote:
Isn't it about time Winter is removed from this? His views clearly aren't legitimate.
I just wonder how long can you survive on TL.
|
Missed Contis old ones. Thanks for doing this.
Pity it'll probably turn into a shitfest cause of all the winter circle jerk.
|
Canada8157 Posts
|
Thanks for the stats!
That downward trend in avg concurrent viewers per month is not that bad as it looks. Even if we had two events with 80k concurrent viewers in a month, but no player streams, the avg in a month would be 5.3k, less than we had last month (if I'm not completely misread the chart). Still, the number of events with above 15k concurrent viewers is declining too, and that is alarming for sure. However, using my previous example, the number then would just be 2, but no one would be concerned about the viewership.
|
There weren't proofs that Winter is a viewbotter? I remember it, now he is back?
|
|
|
In the past year, many people in China said that streaming causes (Chinese) player making less achievements than before. They say that players should be limited on streaming, so they will realize that they need to work harder to survive.
I admit that the situation is different in China compared to western countries and South Korea(where they have more advanced esport industry). But I am not opposed to Chinese players streaming, and I think that many of the foreigners(in Chinese perspective) should try watch their stream too, if they are as good as the streamers above.
So my point is, giving (Chinese) players worse treatment will not push them to make progress, let them stream because that's a normal thing.
|
I have no way of independently verifying whether Winter's numbers are legit, just like I have no way of independently verifying whether anyone's numbers are legit. Therefore I will not exclude any streamer from the charts. Feel free to ignore those entries you do not believe to legitimately have the reported amount of viewers (unless the fault is with my report of course, in which case please do let me know). Please do not start another discussion on whether Winter should be included or not, I've read most of the previous ones and rehashing the arguments won't change my decision.
On May 20 2016 08:26 AgentScholar wrote:
So my point is, giving (Chinese) players worse treatment will not push them to make progress, let them stream because that's a normal thing.
Do you mean I should be including streamers on Douyu, etc as well? I decided not to as the numbers these services show are widely reported to be inaccurate (e.g. inflated).
|
On May 20 2016 08:33 Stijn wrote:
Do you mean I should be including streamers on Douyu, etc as well? I decided not to as the numbers these services show are widely reported to be inaccurate (e.g. inflated).
No, I know douyu exaggerates their numbers(in a ridiculous way, once the viewer is even more than the population in China). I just think that your number can support what I think, if you don't mind, I will make a translation post on Chinese forum that I admin, and I will give reference link and credit to you.
|
I think it's fine to include winter. Him view botting or not doesn't change the overall trend so much.
|
On May 20 2016 08:06 SuperHofmann wrote:
There weren't proofs that Winter is a viewbotter? I remember it, now he is back?
Winter was cleared by Twitch and Blizzard of viewbotting.
Only TL seemed to punish him seemingly without hard evidence.
Either way, he is very entertaining and makes the game relaxing.
|
How is Forgg on the list? Isn't he in the army? Am I missing something?
|
On May 20 2016 16:21 xenonn40 wrote:
How is Forgg on the list? Isn't he in the army? Am I missing something?
Well he streamed a lot in April, he just stopped the day he went to the army
|
Every viewer count going down just makes me sad...
I wish Blizz would invest more into SC2s development. The ladder revamp takes too long, is too little too late. Seperate MMR per race is asked by the community for a long time and it is still not in the game. The long term fun is not there for the most players and Blizz is not adressing this issue.
The Coop missions are a good addition, but are only good for some time because you max your levels quite fast.
|
On May 20 2016 16:41 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 16:21 xenonn40 wrote:
How is Forgg on the list? Isn't he in the army? Am I missing something? Well he streamed a lot in April, he just stopped the day he went to the army
Oh, I am way out of the loop. I thought he went to the army a few months ago. Just started paying attention to TL again. Thanks.
|
I don't understand the last chart. Why does it say concurrent ? And what are those numbers on top of every column ?
|
Yay, nice graphs! I love it
|
I'm actually surprised that Ogaming has only 1 week of stream as they are running live continuously during the month. Sometimes it's a player stream but most of the time it's events or rebroadcast of events, with still around 200 viewers for the latter.
|
I'm 100% sure that the website you're using has wrong figures.
|
On May 20 2016 18:26 LDaVinci wrote:
I'm actually surprised that Ogaming has only 1 week of stream as they are running live continuously during the month. Sometimes it's a player stream but most of the time it's events or rebroadcast of events, with still around 200 viewers for the latter.
We're live on twitch 160ish hours out of 168 possible every week
|
great to see Winter up there on the list. he is such a passionate streamer and does a lot for the game and the community
|
On May 20 2016 15:55 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 08:06 SuperHofmann wrote:
There weren't proofs that Winter is a viewbotter? I remember it, now he is back? Winter was cleared by Twitch and Blizzard of viewbotting. Only TL seemed to punish him seemingly without hard evidence. Either way, he is very entertaining and makes the game relaxing.
He also lost the NVidia sponsorship because of that reddit lynch mob. Yay.
btw he was also cleared by the TL staff a few months ago.
|
On May 20 2016 18:26 LDaVinci wrote:
I'm actually surprised that Ogaming has only 1 week of stream as they are running live continuously during the month. Sometimes it's a player stream but most of the time it's events or rebroadcast of events, with still around 200 viewers for the latter.
I looked into this, and it seems that for *very* long streaming sessions (such as OGaming's) the database couldn't actually hold all the information, and thus uptime was underreported. I've updated everything so at least the streaming times will be correct, but in some rare cases (0,05% of all sessions) the V*H/average/peak metrics might be off (they won't be in the future, now I've corrected the problem).
On May 20 2016 19:06 sAsImre wrote:
I'm 100% sure that the website you're using has wrong figures.
Can you elaborate?
|
Wardi higher then ESL & WCS! This guy has become 1 of my favorite casters & works his butt off because he loves the game. He recently crossed the 100 subscribers on twitch benchmark & deserves more viewers & support in my opinion, & I was glad to see him move up the rankings like he did.
Here's to another month of Wardi casting events & finding success!
SC2Heart
|
if people look with addblock is this included in the viewer nummbers?
|
what is a "stickyrice" ? Never heard of this player before.
|
On May 20 2016 15:55 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 08:06 SuperHofmann wrote:
There weren't proofs that Winter is a viewbotter? I remember it, now he is back? Winter was cleared by Twitch and Blizzard of viewbotting. Only TL seemed to punish him seemingly without hard evidence. Either way, he is very entertaining and makes the game relaxing.
He wasnt cleared at all. He cannot be banned without proof of purchasing the viewbots himself. Therefore, Blizzard cannot disqualify him since those were twitch awards.
Also could you post the stats with the numbers of hours instead of days? number of hours are much easier to read than days in my opinion, Twitch stats and conti used this metric and it was great! thanks
|
The numbers in the far right column seem backwards to me, I feel like Scarlett should be +69, not -69.
|
|
|
List is incorrect, just because you don't like a certain streamer for political reasons or Blizzard reasons does not mean you get to ignore them. Protech has been streaming with higher numbers and longer hours than majority of those people on your list and he is not included?
Come on now.
|
Germany15880 Posts
On May 22 2016 05:12 LingBlingBling wrote:
List is incorrect, just because you don't like a certain streamer for political reasons or Blizzard reasons does not mean you get to ignore them. Protech has been streaming with higher numbers and longer hours than majority of those people on your list and he is not included?
Come on now.
Maybe you should read the list again?
|
On May 20 2016 15:55 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 08:06 SuperHofmann wrote:
There weren't proofs that Winter is a viewbotter? I remember it, now he is back? Winter was cleared by Twitch and Blizzard of viewbotting. Only TL seemed to punish him seemingly without hard evidence. Either way, he is very entertaining and makes the game relaxing.
Winter is just better at creating a community base of viewers and we all need to recognize his unique form of genius; no one else can contribute so little while having so many viewers! I was thinking Winter should offer a seminar series about how to build a community/viewer base. His "viewers" are all so well behaved, quiet, and totally silent in chat as well.. it really and truly is an amazing miracle. and i'm being as honest as Winter with these platitudes!
On May 22 2016 05:12 LingBlingBling wrote:
List is incorrect, just because you don't like a certain streamer for political reasons or Blizzard reasons does not mean you get to ignore them. Protech has been streaming with higher numbers and longer hours than majority of those people on your list and he is not included?
Come on now.
the guy made an honest mistake with BaseTradeTV that I noticed and politely informed him of. The guy voluntarily created this list with his own efforts. Just be polite about it like i was and leave it at that man. Unless you think he has some hidden agenda against BaseTradeTV that is.
Lighten up dawg and give the man time to correct any mistake he may have made before lobbing grenades at him.
|
|
|
On May 22 2016 06:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Winter is just better at creating a community base of viewers and we all need to recognize his unique form of genius; no one else can contribute so little while having so many viewers! I was thinking Winter should offer a seminar series about how to build a community/viewer base. His "viewers" are all so well behaved, quiet, and totally silent in chat as well.. it really and truly is an amazing miracle. and i'm being as honest as Winter with these platitudes!
Yeh he puts in 'so little'. All these other streamers who put in 10% of the stream time deserve more regular viewers than him!
|
I watched winter stream for the longest time without ever coming to the online forums so I remained oblivious about all the drama surrounding him for the longest time. Still don't care much about it either way. I enjoy watching his stream and in the end that's all that matters to me
|
i just want to bump this thread up to thank Stijn for his hard work and apologize for my trolly comments about that guy whose name is one of the 4 seasons.
|
Hey all, thanks for the feedback and sorry for the lack of replies.
On May 21 2016 14:39 desRow wrote:Also could you post the stats with the numbers of hours instead of days? number of hours are much easier to read than days in my opinion, Twitch stats and conti used this metric and it was great! thanks
Good idea, will do next time!
What probably happened is that MaNa also streamed one or more events during April (see his profile; he streamed quite a few), and event streams aren't included in the stats on this list (as Conti never included them either) but they are on the site. So there might be some differences due to that. I'll add an extra note next time to explain the difference, or maybe add a switch on the site so you can view event-less rankings as well (though that'd be a bit more work).
On May 22 2016 05:12 LingBlingBling wrote:
List is incorrect, just because you don't like a certain streamer for political reasons or Blizzard reasons does not mean you get to ignore them. Protech has been streaming with higher numbers and longer hours than majority of those people on your list and he is not included?
Come on now.
Not sure what you're getting at here - my goal is precisely *not* to exclude anyone, as I mentioned in the OP. There was a mistake in the script that generated the list before that bumped some people a few places lower than they should've been, but that has mostly been corrected in the meantime. (Protech is in the list - at #8).
Again, thanks everyone for the feedback (and the TL gold!) - as I mentioned in the OP this thread was something of a "beta test" and has helped me identify some flaws and opportunities for improvement that I'll make sure to address for May's list. Stay tuned for that 
|
I would suggest removing "stickyrice1" as he was banned from twitch for viewbotting/fraud.
|
On May 20 2016 19:55 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 18:26 LDaVinci wrote:
I'm actually surprised that Ogaming has only 1 week of stream as they are running live continuously during the month. Sometimes it's a player stream but most of the time it's events or rebroadcast of events, with still around 200 viewers for the latter. I looked into this, and it seems that for *very* long streaming sessions (such as OGaming's) the database couldn't actually hold all the information, and thus uptime was underreported. I've updated everything so at least the streaming times will be correct, but in some rare cases (0,05% of all sessions) the V*H/average/peak metrics might be off (they won't be in the future, now I've corrected the problem). Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 19:06 sAsImre wrote:
I'm 100% sure that the website you're using has wrong figures. Can you elaborate?
Every figure differs a lot from twitch figures for Ogaming.
|
On May 24 2016 06:27 sAsImre wrote:
Every figure differs a lot from twitch figures for Ogaming.
As I said, there were some problems with OGaming's extremely long streaming sessions that figured into the stats. I've identified the problem and it won't occur again, and I hope to be able to fix the stats in this thread as well (I need to recalculate a lot of stuff for that though, which is why I haven't done so yet).
|
On May 24 2016 06:46 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2016 06:27 sAsImre wrote:
Every figure differs a lot from twitch figures for Ogaming. As I said, there were some problems with OGaming's extremely long streaming sessions that figured into the stats. I've identified the problem and it won't occur again, and I hope to be able to fix the stats in this thread as well (I need to recalculate a lot of stuff for that though, which is why I haven't done so yet).
Ok we'll see next time
|
I'm not surprised, really. Viewers don't get invested in a game they don't themselves play, no matter how many cool Michael Bay explosions David Kim adds to the game, or how much the skill floor is raised so that you can't even play the game at a baseline level until Master league.
Minecraft regularly gets more views than Starcraft 2, despite being a year older than it and having absolutely terrible graphics. The reason for this is that the core gameplay is more accessible to... everyone, while the skill ceiling is actually pretty high. It might not have the competitive skill ceiling of competitive games like Starcraft 2, but the wonders that Minecrafters create require a different but no less high level of skill.
Let me repeat that: A game that is older than Starcraft 2 and has shitter graphics than Starcraft 1 gets more regular viewers than Starcraft 2.
|
On May 24 2016 10:15 Eternal Dalek wrote:
I'm not surprised, really. Viewers don't get invested in a game they don't themselves play, no matter how many cool Michael Bay explosions David Kim adds to the game, or how much the skill floor is raised so that you can't even play the game at a baseline level until Master league.
Minecraft regularly gets more views than Starcraft 2, despite being a year older than it and having absolutely terrible graphics. The reason for this is that the core gameplay is more accessible to... everyone, while the skill ceiling is actually pretty high. It might not have the competitive skill ceiling of competitive games like Starcraft 2, but the wonders that Minecrafters create require a different but no less high level of skill.
Let me repeat that: A game that is older than Starcraft 2 and has shitter graphics than Starcraft 1 gets more regular viewers than Starcraft 2.
And?
|
Thank you for OP, very nice of you to do the leg work.
+ Show Spoiler [off topic] +i don't like the fact that tl advertises for that person.
Numbers are fun..
mmm!? How long do you wait on sc2 ladder/arcade to get a game again?
Numbers do not sanctify anymore 
|
|
|
Don't think he streams SC2 much if at all any more.
|
Thank you for updating the site which myself, and many other sc2 streamers use to keep track of sc2 stats/events that sites like socialblade (I used during the couple months of fuzic downtime) fail to really help with information.
A few things personally I've noticed are the Saturday/Sunday carryovers. I doubt it carries into monthly stats but there are many times when a 6-12 hour stream (Saturday to Sunday is frequently a popular stream time) does not show up in weekly fuzic stats. I assume this is because the reset timer is sometime during the stream and may discount the stream entirely.
It seems this doesn't have quite the effect on monthly stats but the site is based on weekly numbers so it is relevant to that. If I wanted to dive into stats I could probably come up with a few hours missing but in comparing my twitch stats to the post it is within 5%.
This is personal opinion from here. Judging the montly events based on amount of viewers does not accurately reflect interest or following in certain events (like foreign finals etc). I think the relevant basis would either be as compared to relevant events (aka WCS Spring 2015 finals to WCS Spring 2016 finals) or possibly to overall TWITCH viewers. The events surpassing a subjective view count isn't especially informative or helpful. I think things like unique viewer counts or regular viewers could be incredibly helpful, and it is possible both Blizz and/or ESL have those stats, but like even my (or any partnered streamers) viewer details, isn't open to the public.
Thanks again for putting this together.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.fuzic.nl/assets/stats/sc2-2016-04-streams.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.fuzic.nl/assets/stats/sc2-2016-04-eventstreams.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.fuzic.nl/assets/stats/sc2-2016-04-events.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.fuzic.nl/assets/stats/sc2-2016-04-overall.png)
