EPTEven when I am trying to hit GM I leave if I get a call from an old friend or so. More important than ladder games...
MajOr disqualified from Copa América 2016 Season 2 - Page 11
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
Even when I am trying to hit GM I leave if I get a call from an old friend or so. More important than ladder games... | ||
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Wrath
3175 Posts
Why are you assuming Blizzard is competent given their recent record? What record? Do they have a record of falsely accusing players? If so I did not know about that one. Can you give me examples please? You are purely assuming they have proof. You don't actually know that. Correct. I'm assuming that Blizzard can have a solid proof. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against MajOr. But as someone who is not concerned with either. Who should I believe. Major or Blizzard? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12536 Posts
On April 10 2016 03:36 DuckloadBlackra wrote: You are purely assuming they have proof. You don't actually know that. You've been posting that a lot. Why are you acting like it's so weird for people to assume there is proof? We do that a lot when we don't have information, see Life's case. There's no incentive for Blizzard to do this and every incentive for them not to do it. Their proof may be debatable and/or weak but it's pretty obvious that it exists, otherwise we wouldn't be in this situation. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:44 OtherWorld wrote: Blizzard as an organizer =/= Blizzard as a game designer. Here people are complaining about Blizzard taking a bullshit decision because : (a) such events happening were predicted by many people (including progamers themselves), and there is no possibility to have evidence that two players matchfixed in this case (without heavy effort, at least) (b) double-standards were applied, since players who left early were immediatly cleared of charges (Bly, Bunny) while others were convicted (MLord/DnS, MajOr) (c) this is handled with Kespa-level of shadiness, and while Blizzard has no legal obligation to be transparent, people expect transparency from a company based in the United States of Freedom and which basically has a monopoly on the foreign scene, granting it insane powers such as arbitrarily preventing a player from pursuing their career. (d) yes, fans have a say in what Blizzard (tournament organizer) does or doesn't do, much like fans have a say in what the NASCAR, FIFA, FIA/FOM, etc, do. It's not complete power (and thank the gods for that), but we, as a community, influence the way Blizzard is acting through what we express about things. Thus, since double-standard were shamelessly applied, it is the duty of this community to rise against what is a huge damage to the foreign scene's credibility and equity. I don't agree with your reasoning but I don't wanna fight with you, so let's just agree to disagree. Or maybe you will change your opinion a bit in a few days and we can agree and be friends again  If there is something it seems we all agree on, it's that Blizzard's esports division is doing a very poor job lately. Even if you consider WCS a good thing to do, it's been organized and handled so bad that it's hard to count it as a success. | ||
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I wasbanned fromthis
113 Posts
(b) If someone asks you to bet on any WCS game or “fix” the outcome of a game, you must immediately report this contact to Blizzard using the following email address: esportsteam@blizzard.com . | ||
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Binomyo
France61 Posts
On April 10 2016 03:36 DuckloadBlackra wrote: You are purely assuming they have proof. You don't actually know that. Because Bly tweets and Blizzard decisions were so close, I think that Blizzard policy is shoot first, ask questions later. The fact that they didn't even asked Major for replays make it clear. Unless they have chat record about Major that clearly state the match fixing, there's no proof that would justify its elimination. The case of MLord/DnS is more suspicious but again, it doesn't mean they have proof. The 2 wins involved are cheese from DnS which could make such short games. The fact that they played 3 games in a row could also happen. I've consulted some of the top players history and there are a lot of games which involve the same players 3-4 times in a row due to the fact that players click right away the "Play again" button on the score screen. What I find surprising is the lack of communication from Blizzard. Do the esport staff only work on weekday ? That kind of bizarre to work only when the stuff you organize doesn't take place. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Really Blizzard I wonder why you can't just leave Starcraft alone? | ||
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Mugen93
16 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Poopi
France13021 Posts
On April 10 2016 04:37 Mugen93 wrote: It's interesting to see blizzard taking this strong measures with apparently so little evidence for thing that happened on the ladder. It's strange to me cause for all these years they did nothing to punish maphacking and account boosting. I don't think punishing maphacking and account boosting is easy nor cost effective uh. The people making this have more time to do their stuff and don't need to deal with privacy issues. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
Either that or remove/drastically alter the ladder component of the system. WCS 2016 season 1 has yet to finish and more people have been disqualified for match fixing than those who were charged for it in Korea last year. This is turning out be an embarrassing precedent for the foreign community. The problem is, who is to blame? Players or Blizzard? | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
blizzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On April 10 2016 04:42 Caihead wrote: I wonder who actually tipped blizzard off that there was suspicious behavior, was it automated? Did the people who lost to Major screw him over? Maybe someone who doesn't like him | ||
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Mugen93
16 Posts
On April 10 2016 04:45 Poopi wrote: I don't think punishing maphacking and account boosting is easy nor cost effective uh. The people making this have more time to do their stuff and don't need to deal with privacy issues. Then they should not give relevance to an enviroment were cheating is quite ordinary when in the first place they did nothing in the past to make it better imo. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On April 10 2016 02:49 BeStFAN wrote: can blizzard be reasonable and use their brains for a second: hahahahahahahaha as if. Good one | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On April 10 2016 04:42 Caihead wrote: I wonder who actually tipped blizzard off that there was suspicious behavior, was it automated? Did the people who lost to Major screw him over? Probably found it investigating MarineLorD | ||
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Jealous
10388 Posts
I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "Ugh... I feel so shitty .. I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!" Then, as soon as the countdown starts, he can't hold it anymore, and he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do." So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..." And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BCjY615.png) The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GNbC4I0j0 I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!" Then he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do." So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..." And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note. The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat. Yes ... his excuse is also a problem ... it would be fine enough to say - I ate something wrong an hour before and in that particular moment, I just needed to RUN to the toilet. In that moment, in that minute. And nobody could say anything. When he starts to explain that he needed to take medicine and he has a doctor's certificate, that is making it just more suspicious. | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On April 10 2016 05:26 Jealous wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GNbC4I0j0 I can just imagine Major going through this in front of his screen, "Ugh... I feel so shitty .. I'm going to queue up again! I must, even though there is no benefit to me and my laddering affects other people who are trying to qualify in this tour!" Then, as soon as the countdown starts, he can't hold it anymore, and he stumbles his way to the bathroom, is sick, feels like shit, takes medicine, looks forlornly at his bed... "no, wey, you cannot give up, you have pointless ladder games to do." So he forces himself to sit down at his computer once more, "ok... *burp* I'll be ok this time..." And then this repeats over and over (by his own admission)? Rofl. Let me see that doctor's note. The people defending Major are doing the equivalent of accepting the "my dog ate my homework" excuse. Can't be proven, can't be disproven. You are also accepting that Major knew he was too sick to play, and kept queuing anyway, in ladder games that had the potential to affect qualifiers. He ignored his condition and ended up giving two easy wins to his opponent, who just so happens to be his teammate, and doesn't think there is any sort of problem with this. Riiiiiight. If this is all true, then Major must be intellectually handicapped. If it's not true, then he is a rule-breaking liar and a cheat. so if my internet dropped after finding a game im a cheater too? shit happens theres about 100000 stuff it can happen after u find a game. what if i had a important phone call that i had to take and was gonna lsat long? im still a cheater? it just happened to be i needed to go to the bathroom so use your brain before commenting | ||
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Jealous
10388 Posts
On April 10 2016 05:34 Major wrote: so if my internet dropped after finding a game im a cheater too? shit happens theres about 100000 stuff it can happen after u find a game. what if i had a important phone call that i had to take and was gonna lsat long? im still a cheater? it just happened to be i needed to go to the bathroom so use your brain before commenting Internet dropping, there would be a record of it, no? Player disconnected? F10 + P, "Sorry I gotta take this call, get the door, take a shit, make an excuse about how my dog ate my homework, write this doctor's note, and take my medicine, please wait." If the other person leaves, you get the points, ezmoney. | ||
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