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On February 16 2016 03:29 Cazimirbzh wrote:@Mozdk It's not my book. Top to bottom not bottom to top. That's how competition works. You dont need to be master to stream an entertaining content. @ProTech Indeed, why not ? I hope not. Combo armies are fun to watch.
Because I fall into the category of " General Assholery " the problem with this is there are too many featured streams have this ( worse than mine I might add, and i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3xrqvd/time_to_set_things_straight_about_protech/
I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section.
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As long as someone like Winter is featured then there isn't much ground for unfeaturing Avilo in terms of distaste and harm to the community. In fact as long as someone like Winter can be featured, you might as well feature everybody who requests it.
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On February 16 2016 02:25 lichter wrote:
For clarity's sake, after winter's ban from our featured list expired and he was up for review, he showed compelling evidence that his viewer counts after attempting to purge his channel of viewbots was believable. His evidence was far less circumstantial than the proof that he had been botting. Of course, we can only judge evidence presented to us and there is no way for us to prove/disprove things independently without the cooperation of twitch. He also informed us immediately when he suspected he was being botted again (even before talk of it surfaced again). Again this isn't some final "we are definitely 100% right" verdict; we based our decision on the information we could acquire.
I like how everybody is ignoring this post
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If everyone who accuses his opponents as maphackers and whines about balance gets defeatured there won't be many streams left.. so no reason to defeature avilo.
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On February 16 2016 03:36 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 03:29 Cazimirbzh wrote:@Mozdk It's not my book. Top to bottom not bottom to top. That's how competition works. to benefit from watching a masters' stream You dont need to be master to stream an entertaining content. @ProTech Indeed, why not ? You play 2v2 right? Maybe that's the answer. I hope not. Combo armies are fun to watch. Because I fall into the category of " General Assholery " the problem with this is there are too many featured streams have this ( worse than mine I might add, and i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3xrqvd/time_to_set_things_straight_about_protech/I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section.
It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick. 
Keep it up lad.
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On February 16 2016 04:52 Charoisaur wrote:
If everyone who accuses his opponents as maphackers and whines about balance gets defeatured there won't be many streams left.. so no reason to defeature avilo.
But be sure to single people out.
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On February 16 2016 04:58 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 03:36 ProTech wrote:On February 16 2016 03:29 Cazimirbzh wrote:@Mozdk It's not my book. Top to bottom not bottom to top. That's how competition works. to benefit from watching a masters' stream You dont need to be master to stream an entertaining content. @ProTech Indeed, why not ? You play 2v2 right? Maybe that's the answer. I hope not. Combo armies are fun to watch. Because I fall into the category of " General Assholery " the problem with this is there are too many featured streams have this ( worse than mine I might add, and i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3xrqvd/time_to_set_things_straight_about_protech/I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section. It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick. Keep it up lad.
Is PT any more of a prick than avilo or Winter though?
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On February 16 2016 04:58 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 03:36 ProTech wrote:On February 16 2016 03:29 Cazimirbzh wrote:@Mozdk It's not my book. Top to bottom not bottom to top. That's how competition works. to benefit from watching a masters' stream You dont need to be master to stream an entertaining content. @ProTech Indeed, why not ? You play 2v2 right? Maybe that's the answer. I hope not. Combo armies are fun to watch. Because I fall into the category of " General Assholery " the problem with this is there are too many featured streams have this ( worse than mine I might add, and i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3xrqvd/time_to_set_things_straight_about_protech/I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section. It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick. Keep it up lad.
I never said I wasn't a prick. In fact, whenever I plug my stream anywhere I say " I can be a prick so if you have thin skin don't bother. "
There's a difference between libel/slander. Idra was a prick/BM but that didn't effect his featured status, nor does it avilo or destiny.
In otherwords, as long as you have a high viewership the rules don't apply to you.
Here's a good example of a featured CSGO streamer on TL: https://www.google.com/search?num=100&espv=2&q=s1mple toxic&oq=s1mple toxic&gs_l=serp.3..0.9486.12682.0.12822.14.13.1.0.0.0.116.839.12j1.13.0....0...1.1.64.serp..0.14.839.jasVsjPOF2M
I'm just trying make sure that whoever makes these decisions fully understands that you are sweeping people like me under the rug for literally no reason.
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s1mple is on TL so it's unlikely he'd be defeatured unless they kick him from the team...
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On February 16 2016 05:28 ragz_gt wrote:
s1mple is on TL so it's unlikely he'd be defeatured unless they kick him from the team...
Yeah, but don't you think it's kind of ridiculous that they enforce these rules on people like me, when you can clearly see that so long as you have lots of viewers it'll be overlooked?
I have the required viewership and everything else to have be featured on this website, but for whatever reason I get swept under the rug when there is mountains of evidence that whatever they aren't featuring me for goes on much worse in many other channels.
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Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo.
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On February 16 2016 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo.
It's their website, they can do whatever they want with it whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant. I would venture to say that no one who makes these featured decisions on TL would be happy about being the victim to hypocrisy though.
I am not as bad as avilo or anyone mentioned above, but I'm not an angel nor do I plan on being one. Personality drives streams to success not being one dimensional.
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On February 16 2016 06:14 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo. I am not as bad as avilo or anyone mentioned above, but I'm not an angel nor do I plan on being one. Personality drives streams to success not being one dimensional.
Oh hey look, it's the guy who kills his own teammates in 2v2, calls everyone a hacker, leaves games because the region is set to Australia to leave his teammates to 2v1, and still talks shit and calls everyone a hacker.
It's only slightly funny when Avilo complains to himself, as when I tuned in the other day he was complaining about him vs Ruff and Ruff's builds and calling him dumb.
It's kinda sad when you see someone killing their own teammate in a team game because they are angry they lose. Well, actually, it's really sad. Of course, this is much less of a problem than the shit he says about people though.
Though, even when people state these things about you, or even if people actually bother to tune into your stream once or twice to objectively listen to what you're saying and still find you to be a complete dick to everyone in the community you would still find a way to try to prove your innocence and claim you are the victim of not being featured.
There is probably a reason the general community doesn't like you and TL won't feature you. If you haven't figured it out after reading this post you probably never will. Rather, I don't think you care to.
aka thx4thefreepointsin2v2theotherday
oh; also, it would probably help if your last tournament achievement wasn't being carried in a 2v2 tournament in 2011. Huheuheruh
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On February 16 2016 07:01 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 06:14 ProTech wrote:On February 16 2016 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo. I am not as bad as avilo or anyone mentioned above, but I'm not an angel nor do I plan on being one. Personality drives streams to success not being one dimensional. Oh hey look, it's the guy who kills his own teammates in 2v2, calls everyone a hacker, leaves games because the region is set to Australia to leave his teammates to 2v1, and still talks shit and calls everyone a hacker. It's only slightly funny when Avilo complains to himself, as when I tuned in the other day he was complaining about him vs Ruff and Ruff's builds and calling him dumb. It's kinda sad when you see someone killing their own teammate in a team game because they are angry they lose. Well, actually, it's really sad. Of course, this is much less of a problem than the shit he says about people though. Though, even when people state these things about you, or even if people actually bother to tune into your stream once or twice to objectively listen to what you're saying and still find you to be a complete dick to everyone in the community you would still find a way to try to prove your innocence and claim you are the victim of not being featured. There is probably a reason the general community doesn't like you and TL won't feature you. If you haven't figured it out after reading this post you probably never will. Rather, I don't think you care to. aka thx4thefreepointsin2v2theotherday oh; also, it would probably help if your last tournament achievement wasn't being carried in a 2v2 tournament in 2011. Huheuheruh
I find it incredibly hard to believe that a streamer would have 200 paying subscribers and make a full time career out of streaming if " every person you play is a hacker " or " every game kills his own team mates. "
The problem isn't me, the problem is people like you taking things out of context.
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On February 16 2016 01:21 lichter wrote:
well this thread is going to be fun, i can already tell
You got that right. 
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Yes. Quash the unworthy streamers.
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All of these seem largely quantifiable, or somewhat universally agreeable, with the exception of
general assholery
which just seems like such a subjective, biased criteria as to be worthless to list - and to me seems completely unprofessional.
Also,
On February 15 2016 19:58 Ragnarork wrote:Maybe this has been answered some time ago, but on this ground, IdrA wouldn't be featured if he was still playing pro SC2?
Well, this one is easy to answer. It only has two states, and is clearly defined in the list of criteria. Ask yourself, is IdrA permanently banned from teamliquid.net for unacceptable posting. If he is, then he wouldn't be featured. If he's not, then he could be featured. Seems simple enough.
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ProTech:
I am not as bad as avilo
To be fair, that's hugely subjective, and i think you're suffering from cognitive bias, or possibly saying this for PR reasons.
Again, this is why the rules need to be more quantitive than qualitative.
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To be fair, that's hugely subjective, and i think you're suffering from cognitive bias, or possibly saying this for PR reasons.
Again, this is why the rules need to be more quantitive than qualitative.
If it were for PR reasons why would I say that I have no intention of changing who I am? I said it, because it's true. I'm assuming if you actually watched any of my YT videos catching cheaters, they are broken down logically and people are given the benefit of the doubt. I do it the right way, I don't accuse people of doing stupid shit unless there's mountains of evidence backing it up.
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