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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
February 16 2016 04:57 GMT
#101
All of this seems very familiar..
Cobrakush
Profile Joined February 2016
3 Posts
February 16 2016 05:02 GMT
#102
The video I offered as proof isn't from 2015 its from a couple weeks ago (I don't know how to add quotes sorry) February 6th 2016 to be exact. Maybe I misunderstood you, but the video explains about the last time this happens then goes on to prove the recent activity of viewbots. Is it that he's been forthcoming with info whenever it happens?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 16 2016 05:35 GMT
#103
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 16 2016 05:41 GMT
#104
On February 16 2016 14:02 Cobrakush wrote:
The video I offered as proof isn't from 2015 its from a couple weeks ago (I don't know how to add quotes sorry) February 6th 2016 to be exact. Maybe I misunderstood you, but the video explains about the last time this happens then goes on to prove the recent activity of viewbots. Is it that he's been forthcoming with info whenever it happens?


He experienced a spike in viewers a month or something ago, to around 1k-3k I believe. But since then it's gone back to normal. I seriously don't believe that someone who's already shown before that he is very proactive about keeping his stream clean would be dumb enough to use viewbots for a week abruptly and then stop. My belief isn't proof of innocence but an anomaly like the evidence provided isn't proof, either.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Cobrakush
Profile Joined February 2016
3 Posts
February 16 2016 05:45 GMT
#105
OK, thanks for answering! The more the merrier...
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States435 Posts
February 16 2016 06:41 GMT
#106
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
February 16 2016 07:02 GMT
#107
Even more entertaining than the community updates

On Avilo, yes he is a dick with his accusations of cheating against almost anyone who beats him. However he never says anything racist, homophobic or sexist from what I recall of his streams. Seems fine to feature him no matter what the thin-skinned drama queens say. As to consistency in applying the rules, well that is life in general and the website belongs to TL.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 16 2016 07:10 GMT
#108
On February 16 2016 15:41 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?


Well, as much as possible we would like to avoid applying rules retrospectively because that creates a whole host of other complications. Situations like these are incredibly complex even in common law, and discerning when to apply "prospective overruling" isn't a simple matter. To label it outright as hypocrisy due to an isolated case seems disingenuous; you could read this article that explains the difficulties in applying present rules to past decisions in common law. While the article recommends that prospective overruling be used when applicable while presenting its merits, it doesn't really help much in providing insight on how to discriminate (read: not the -ism kind of discrimination) between cases.

Changing an old ruling isn't as easy as you suggest, but you are correct that some discernment—and, inevitably, discrimination—must be applied. That we've decided not to overrule our previous decision is unfortunate, and you can understandably voice your discontent (as long as it is within the forum rules).

As an aside for everyone else, I mentioned on twitter that the rule on behavior is indeed a subjective one, perhaps the only subjective rule on the entire list. It is a necessary rule of course, but one that is difficult to enforce because once applied it sets a precedent. We don't want to play mind police, and we understand that some players vent their frustrations negatively. We aren't here to act like armchair psychiatrists teaching them to be more constructive in their methods. However we do want our streamers to be on their best behavior as much as possible, making such a rule necessary. When we finally decide to ax someone because of their behavior, it won't be a debatable matter.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
February 16 2016 09:16 GMT
#109
On February 16 2016 15:41 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?


Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.

In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..

I hope the PM was good news on that frront~
Anime is cuter than you. Legacy of the Void GM Protoss Gameplay: twitch.tv/kyo7763 youtube.com/user/KyoStarcraft/
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Fistro
Profile Joined March 2011
45 Posts
February 16 2016 09:29 GMT
#110
On February 16 2016 01:34 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 01:25 Fistro wrote:
On February 16 2016 01:21 lichter wrote:
well this thread is going to be fun, i can already tell


I would love to see how does the "ban user" icon look like on a TL admin menu. Screenshot please ? ^_^


[image loading]


I was tempted to press it


LOL

It does not look too fancy, but it least gets the job done I suppose ... don't test it on me pretty please ?
Zark
Profile Joined January 2011
United States50 Posts
February 16 2016 11:32 GMT
#111
We need more hearts in SC2. Hope Jake got a PM forcing him to make more while being featured. He's been pretty consistent.
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States435 Posts
February 16 2016 12:16 GMT
#112
On February 16 2016 16:10 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 15:41 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?


Well, as much as possible we would like to avoid applying rules retrospectively because that creates a whole host of other complications. Situations like these are incredibly complex even in common law, and discerning when to apply "prospective overruling" isn't a simple matter. To label it outright as hypocrisy due to an isolated case seems disingenuous; you could read this article that explains the difficulties in applying present rules to past decisions in common law. While the article recommends that prospective overruling be used when applicable while presenting its merits, it doesn't really help much in providing insight on how to discriminate (read: not the -ism kind of discrimination) between cases.

Changing an old ruling isn't as easy as you suggest, but you are correct that some discernment—and, inevitably, discrimination—must be applied. That we've decided not to overrule our previous decision is unfortunate, and you can understandably voice your discontent (as long as it is within the forum rules).

As an aside for everyone else, I mentioned on twitter that the rule on behavior is indeed a subjective one, perhaps the only subjective rule on the entire list. It is a necessary rule of course, but one that is difficult to enforce because once applied it sets a precedent. We don't want to play mind police, and we understand that some players vent their frustrations negatively. We aren't here to act like armchair psychiatrists teaching them to be more constructive in their methods. However we do want our streamers to be on their best behavior as much as possible, making such a rule necessary. When we finally decide to ax someone because of their behavior, it won't be a debatable matter.



And now it's time that you completely remove my stream from your website and anything you have connected to me, thanks
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States435 Posts
February 16 2016 13:01 GMT
#113
On February 16 2016 18:16 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 15:41 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?


Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.

In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..

I hope the PM was good news on that frront~


Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 13:25:36
February 16 2016 13:14 GMT
#114
There's a difference between libel/slander. Idra was a prick/BM but that didn't effect his featured status, nor does it avilo or destiny.


IdrA and Destiny have actually both been unfeatured and banned for various lengths of time IIRC for those exact reasons.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
February 16 2016 13:17 GMT
#115
^ Welp that ended well.

I must be one of the few TLer that has never watched a minute of avilo/destiny/winter stream lol. I rather get my drama from TV series, pro actors are so much better than progamers
Revolutionist fan
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
February 16 2016 13:39 GMT
#116
On February 16 2016 22:01 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 18:16 -Kyo- wrote:
On February 16 2016 15:41 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?


Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.

In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..

I hope the PM was good news on that frront~


Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.

^_^ you'll be missed
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for the drama :-)
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
February 16 2016 14:01 GMT
#117
That escalated quickly
He was doing so great until self destruct
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15995 Posts
February 16 2016 14:01 GMT
#118
On February 16 2016 22:01 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 18:16 -Kyo- wrote:
On February 16 2016 15:41 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 14:35 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:54 ProTech wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:48 lichter wrote:
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote:
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible


check PM pls



Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?


For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.



Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?


Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.

In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..

I hope the PM was good news on that frront~


Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.

and this is the difference between proTech and avilo
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
February 16 2016 14:03 GMT
#119
Wow what a ride, thought Avilo was going to be the theme of this one but ProTech took the reigns and ran with it. I never watched any of the "hateful" progamers, I find it more entertaining to watch players like HerO and huk whos play style is entertaining
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 16 2016 14:24 GMT
#120
I love these threads, better with each year.
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