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Tbh I think the real problem is that the game is 6 years old and people just lose interest. It's pretty natural.
You will always have a small group left that follows it (the hardcore, if you wish), but the casuals will jump ship eventually.
For me this happened during the BL/Infestor era, my entire group of friends lost interest and switched to Dota. Dota and LoL both saw a massive rise in players in that period btw, let's blame it all on BL/Infestor 
Now I'm back briefly for LotV, but I don't see myself getting invested in the pro scene ever again. I'm just fooling around on ladder and earning some achievements until the next good game rolls around (looking at you, fire emblem fates).
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On February 10 2016 16:59 Honeybadger wrote:
I think casual vs hard core is irrelevant. The problem is that there is no broad access to VODS. Sure, someone's always streaming, but it's rarely ever tournaments, and I don't have time to watch live casts often, and I'm not going to pay twitch sub fee to every single goddamn tournament stream channel (demuslim is the only person who gets my hard earned money because he embodies the attitude I respect most in a pro gamer, alongside QXC and Jinro)
My issue with SC2 is that I just don't have the time to follow events and there is NO good system in place for archiving events for people to watch later. That frustrates the hell out of me to the point where I just don't watch SC2 much anymore despite it being quite literally the only online game I enjoy to watch played. If blizzard had a system (or hell even a youtube channel) where all major tournaments were uploaded in straight blocks, they'd get a hell of a lot of revenue out of me alone.
Caster wise, I am generally pretty zen with regards to who's casting what, but I hate forced, artificial screaming and "hype" as the internet kids put it these days (so that video was mostly good apart from the screaming and forced "hype"). It makes me want to claw my eyes out with forks. Good casting compliments a game, it doesn't drown the gameplay out. I don't think all games need pure analysis.
The problem is that there is no real system in place for players to all rally around. the GSL was a great start, but it mutated into this ungainly monstrosity that ultimately fell apart, the NASL just didn't have the viewership. Blizzard really should step in and put together something to bring the players together more than just once a year at blizzcon, and host VODS of cast games (as much as I love analyzing games myself, I do really enjoy well cast games so much)
I'll address the first point of your argument.
There seems to be two main parts to your argument
1. Broad access to VODs (preferably high level tournament vods)
2. No system in place for watching VODS
I think part of the problem with this argument is that you do not have the time to familiarize yourself with the ways to access vods. Basetradetv always has free vods on their twitch page, and it's only a matter of looking through them to see which tournaments are casted.
ESL, Dreamhack, and GSL (at least currently) have free vods on twitch, and those are available relatively quickly after a broadcast. Admittedly, it's harder to track down IEM vods since esltv SC2 is constantly playing reruns.
However, for all major tournaments, vods are usually up within a week on their respective Youtube channels. For GSL, it's afreecatv, for Proleague, it's esportstv, for esl, esltv, dreamhacktv, and ogaming.
All of these are completely free on youtube, and it's really easy to find these channels.
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You say that there is no system in place for watching archived, but I would say that for the most part, the youtube channels above have all organized their vods (usually into english vods) but also for the english channels into tournaments, like for example IEM Taipei, on the esltv vods, it would be "IEM Taipei" or something like that. It's really not that hard to go to youtube, type in "channel" and then browse vods there.
If you're feeling ultra lazy, then let me show you this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/119948-small-sc2-vod-thread.
It's not completely up to date for 2016, but the pages are on there that specify which matchup in which round on like page 48 for like the GSL. Furthermore, if you wanted to watch archived vods (at least the ones that weren't taken down), it has the near complete listing for 2014/2015 vods.
Perhaps it is that you are just not up to date with searching vods, but your profile indicates that you were a user since 2010, so you likely had to find vods then as well, so it seems odd that you would have missed this.
It just seems that there are vods in fairly accessible locations that take a minimal amount of effort to find.
Admittedly, all the youtube channels and the team liquid page are not blizzard sponsored, and they are not all in one place, but your complaint that "My issue with SC2 is that I just don't have the time to follow events and there is NO good system in place for archiving events for people to watch later" sounds a lot more like an excuse when there's a resource within your grasp that has almost ALL the premier tournament vods (some are unaccessible or lost).
And does it really take that much time to google "iem youtube," then click "ESL" for youtube, go to "playlists," then scroll down to the SC2 events?
I am sorry if I sound and come across as condescending and/or rude, but it also frustrates me quite a bit when people say that there's no easy way to find vods when there is clearly an easy way to find vods, and they have not taken that effort to find them.
TL;DR: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/119948-small-sc2-vod-thread
That thread is a system.
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On February 10 2016 17:47 FrkFrJss wrote:
I'll address the first point of your argument.
There seems to be two main parts to your argument
1. Broad access to VODs (preferably high level tournament vods)
2. No system in place for watching VODS
Shortened your post to avoid wall of text. That's excellent info that I'll absolutely be taking advantage of and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to put it there for me. That said, you did kind of prove my point, that vods require combing through five or more different resources, which is something a lot of fans just got tired of doing. If blizzard stepped in and consolidated the professional tournament videos in some way, a lot of people would likely come back to SC2.
I'm gonna go look for some tournament vids at the sites you listed. thanks!
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On February 11 2016 04:26 Honeybadger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 17:47 FrkFrJss wrote:
I'll address the first point of your argument.
There seems to be two main parts to your argument
1. Broad access to VODs (preferably high level tournament vods)
2. No system in place for watching VODS Shortened your post to avoid wall of text. That's excellent info that I'll absolutely be taking advantage of and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to put it there for me. That said, you did kind of prove my point, that vods require combing through five or more different resources, which is something a lot of fans just got tired of doing. If blizzard stepped in and consolidated the professional tournament videos in some way, a lot of people would likely come back to SC2. I'm gonna go look for some tournament vids at the sites you listed. thanks!
A Blizz sponsored Top 5 games of the week three based on viewership and two based on personal taste of the team in charge of the weekly list would be amazing.
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On February 11 2016 04:36 Naracs_Duc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 04:26 Honeybadger wrote:On February 10 2016 17:47 FrkFrJss wrote:
I'll address the first point of your argument.
There seems to be two main parts to your argument
1. Broad access to VODs (preferably high level tournament vods)
2. No system in place for watching VODS Shortened your post to avoid wall of text. That's excellent info that I'll absolutely be taking advantage of and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to put it there for me. That said, you did kind of prove my point, that vods require combing through five or more different resources, which is something a lot of fans just got tired of doing. If blizzard stepped in and consolidated the professional tournament videos in some way, a lot of people would likely come back to SC2. I'm gonna go look for some tournament vids at the sites you listed. thanks! A Blizz sponsored Top 5 games of the week three based on viewership and two based on personal taste of the team in charge of the weekly list would be amazing.
That would actually be really awesome, especially since it would demonstrate more blizzard interest in the esports scene (aside from balancing).
Also, honeybadger, I'm really glad that you could take advantage of the vods, but the link to the teamliquid page is a consolidated resource that doesn't require combing through five different sources.
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On February 11 2016 07:48 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2016 04:36 Naracs_Duc wrote:On February 11 2016 04:26 Honeybadger wrote:On February 10 2016 17:47 FrkFrJss wrote:
I'll address the first point of your argument.
There seems to be two main parts to your argument
1. Broad access to VODs (preferably high level tournament vods)
2. No system in place for watching VODS Shortened your post to avoid wall of text. That's excellent info that I'll absolutely be taking advantage of and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to put it there for me. That said, you did kind of prove my point, that vods require combing through five or more different resources, which is something a lot of fans just got tired of doing. If blizzard stepped in and consolidated the professional tournament videos in some way, a lot of people would likely come back to SC2. I'm gonna go look for some tournament vids at the sites you listed. thanks! A Blizz sponsored Top 5 games of the week three based on viewership and two based on personal taste of the team in charge of the weekly list would be amazing. That would actually be really awesome, especially since it would demonstrate more blizzard interest in the esports scene (aside from balancing). Also, honeybadger, I'm really glad that you could take advantage of the vods, but the link to the teamliquid page is a consolidated resource that doesn't require combing through five different sources.
You guys remember battle reports? I LOVED battle reports. Now they can just VOD it!
If they spent some energy showing us good games of their new units, pushing through Bnet, even put some vod watching achievements, they would make this so much more exciting
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I have been watching competitive play for fun for many years. I came in around the time Tasteless moved to Korea and have enjoyed his goofy casting style ever since. Flashy production values is fun to me, and I understand enough about the game that I don't need super- technical commentary to enjoy it.
Fast forward a number of years. Now I watch Starcraft with my wife and appreciate that, years later, Tasteless and Artosis are still there, casting in a way that entertains me, but makes it accessible to help my wife become a fan of good Starcraft. Neither of us enjoy watching sloppy foreigners play. We mostly stick to Korean games, and have appreciated that more of them are around to play against each other in Korea nowdays, however unfair it is to them.
We should try and bridge these two sides, offer feedback, then get back to enjoying the game for what it is. Balance is largely up to the players to get better at their races and overcome adversity.
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The main reason i watch sc2 is to find out who is the toughest SC2 player thats it. Blizzcon was all about that. Only the toughest foreigners was able to make it.
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For the sake of this argument, consider the extreme forms of these two categories mutually exclusive
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On February 23 2016 07:48 populis wrote:Show nested quote +For the sake of this argument, consider the extreme forms of these two categories mutually exclusive Stopped reading there.
Congratulations on your ignorance.
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On February 23 2016 07:48 populis wrote:Show nested quote +For the sake of this argument, consider the extreme forms of these two categories mutually exclusive Stopped reading there.
TLDR
Can you use less words please?
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