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We watched all the games from last week, discussed with some professional players, and wanted to get your thoughts on one additional change for the test map coming this week.
Adept armor type changed from Light to Armored.
We were looking for an Adept nerf that wouldn't change much of the ZvP relationships, and mainly nerf them against Terran. We believe this armor type change is a good one since Marauders and Siege Tanks will be stronger versus Adepts, whereas the meaningful unit relationships against the Adept in PvZ wouldn't change much.
We're trying to get the test map out quickly this week, so please let us know your thoughts. Thank you.
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Good to see blizzard reacts on the games while being on holiday.
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I'm pretty sure they discarded this exact change at some point in beta because they felt it wasn't necessary. Interesting. Might make adepts too weak in the midgame and beyond.
If only pros played balance test maps.
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Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are 
In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong.
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Yea, about that new core unit for protoss...
I dislike this change, makes adepts absolutely useless outside of harass situations PvT (and doesn't even nerf these very significantly). I would have liked to see the shade cooldown nerfed by at least 5 seconds, because it wouldn't make the adept completely useless in army engagements while nerfing their biggest problem (the ability to threaten 2 places at once), which seems to be an issue in PvZ as well.
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I was hoping that weird interaction where your units run towards Disruptor novas as if it were a unit would be addressed. I'm surprised that the bunker change didn't happen.
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Maybe I will actually try laddering again. Didn't see a point to playing T when I would auto lose to any Warp prism / Adept play without playing a total gimmick build order (Cyclone + mass turret wtf is that).
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On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad.
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On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad.
surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! 
It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_-
With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with
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On December 22 2015 05:18 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad. surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_- With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with
But if you're already in a position to get a full surround, wouldn't Roaches do the same job more efficiently? I think you should give it a shot!
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On December 22 2015 05:18 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad. surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_- With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with
You're replying to State who is GM on Korea . Even if Banelings are weaker vs Adepts, Lurkers are much stronger against them.
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Damn, I am going adept pheonix immortal in PvT with a 75% winrate and now it not gonna work.
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On December 22 2015 05:21 StateSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 05:18 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad. surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_- With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with But if you're already in a position to get a full surround, wouldn't Roaches do the same job more efficiently? I think you should give it a shot!
I love banelings because I do burrow and can handle charge zealots with it.
I don't want to play Roach ravager in ZvZ ZvT and ZvP
sooo~ boring ~.~
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On December 22 2015 05:21 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 05:18 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad. surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_- With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with You're replying to State who is GM on Korea . Even if Banelings are weaker vs Adepts, Lurkers are much stronger against them.
lurker very strong, but too late for timing adepts !
- Pool -> queen -> speed -> lair -> hydralisk den -> lurker den -> morph lurkers
but lategame lurker very strong yes
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Great change, those changes will put the game in a fine spot.
Only ultras remain slightly problematic.
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On December 22 2015 05:25 A_needle_jog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 05:21 ZAiNs wrote:On December 22 2015 05:18 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad. surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_- With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with You're replying to State who is GM on Korea . Even if Banelings are weaker vs Adepts, Lurkers are much stronger against them. lurker very strong, but too late for timing adepts ! - Pool -> queen -> speed -> lair -> hydralisk den -> lurker den -> morph lurkers but lategame lurker very strong yes
Vs a good player it's impossible to hold Adept upgrade timings (like herO vs Life in GSL pre-season) without Roaches. You can never get a good surround because they can bunch up around the mineral line, and Banelings can be target-fired or they can just split their Adepts a bit and still avoid getting a bad surround vs the Lings.
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On December 22 2015 05:31 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2015 05:25 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 22 2015 05:21 ZAiNs wrote:On December 22 2015 05:18 A_needle_jog wrote:On December 22 2015 05:15 StateSC2 wrote:On December 22 2015 04:51 A_needle_jog wrote:Oh no that is horrible nerf for PvZ. David Kim need to watch Korea ladder where the good players are In korea we use ling + baneling against Adept. This is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf. It is a bigger nerf than people think. Oh god this is so bad. please don't go live. How can i contact david kim and tell him he sooo wrong. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I don't mean to be rude, but I don't think I've ever seen it work in my PvZs, and until this week my PvZ has been really, really bad. surround with zergling then baneling or follow the adepts with the baneling while zerglings attack adetpts ! It works very well. Adept have many life ! 120 or even more (life + shield) ! so hard to kill and they always have time to escape -_- With 6~ banelings it is easier and fast to deal with You're replying to State who is GM on Korea . Even if Banelings are weaker vs Adepts, Lurkers are much stronger against them. lurker very strong, but too late for timing adepts ! - Pool -> queen -> speed -> lair -> hydralisk den -> lurker den -> morph lurkers but lategame lurker very strong yes Vs a good player it's impossible to hold Adept upgrade timings (like herO vs Life in GSL pre-season) without Roaches. You can never get a good surround because they can bunch up around the mineral line, and Banelings can be target-fired or they can just split their Adepts a bit and still avoid getting a bad surround vs the Lings.
Maybe I need to adept to armored adepts and play roaches in all matches every day
But it look so wrong. They are like zealots in optical picture, but why armored. I don't like it from a design perspective. They look like light united. They can teleport and phase shift. armored units can't phase shift ! boooo
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An Adept nerf was definitely in the cards, unlike Ravagers where players are getting used to dealing with them and learning to play the more Protoss players practice with Adepts the more worker line damage they seem to be able to inflict. Marines merely tickle them and Marauders already got a damage nerf so armor upgrades will still let them be usable.
Only upset people here are Protoss players, Adept is too good.
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On December 22 2015 05:41 Beelzebub1 wrote:
An Adept nerf was definitely in the cards, unlike Ravagers where players are getting used to dealing with them and learning to play the more Protoss players practice with Adepts the more worker line damage they seem to be able to inflict. Marines merely tickle them and Marauders already got a damage nerf so armor upgrades will still let them be usable.
Only upset people here are Protoss players, Adept is too good.
I am upset and I am not Protoss 
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Terrible change. Now Marauders hard hard counter both stalkers and adepts. Stim marauders will melt both units in a massive landslide of cost efficiency. Completely unusable unit in PvT with that change.
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