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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 19 2015 06:34 GMT
#21
I really hope, MC unretires, participates in the WCS Welfare and takes it all.
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 19 2015 06:52 GMT
#22
I am too very skeptical of the Global Events thing. Blizzard have already shown that they're insterested in fostering the foreign scene almost exclusively, and IEM is following the same path apparently (see this joke of Taipei invitational). DH never was very Korean oriented either. On top of that, it seems easier to organize a WCS Circuit event than a Global.

So yeah, while it's very apropriate to say "wait until the actual announcements come before complaining", in this case I don't buy it.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
December 19 2015 08:04 GMT
#23
On December 19 2015 15:34 Diabolique wrote:
I really hope, MC unretires, participates in the WCS Welfare and takes it all.


People forget there was about a year that MC pretty much did that, haha.
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
December 19 2015 08:21 GMT
#24
The WCS Championships need to be WAY less top heavy imo. If you want to grow the foreign scene you need to have incentives for new blood and up and coming players.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
December 19 2015 08:23 GMT
#25
Reading the requirements for a "Global" Event, pretty much every IEM that has happened will work. The prizepool would need to be bigger, but given how much they cost to run, it doesn't seem a huge issue (especially if Blizzard is backing some of them).

DH will probably be functionally European Tournaments, which it actually mostly has been for a while. Though could make some of the bigger ones a "Global" event without much of a change.

Looking at last year's list of Premier tournaments, the only tournaments actually effected will be the Dreamhacks. Some of the IEMs will become "Circuit" championships. This isn't going to be as much of a change as we're thinking.


Though the ones getting the worst hit are the B-teamers in Korea. You're not going to see many Solar runs when they're approaching being an A-teamer. But being a B-teamer has always been pretty terrible in Starcraft.
mEsA
Profile Joined March 2011
France11 Posts
December 19 2015 08:26 GMT
#26
I personnaly think that the multiple events with koreans attending has raised the level of the foreigners scene. But foreigners still not has good has koreans.
I will be interrested by some stats showing the numbers of SC2 players in each regions, because i think that many more koreans are playing SC2 than people in others regions.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
December 19 2015 08:39 GMT
#27
This article made me realize that we really need a dark-grey background version of TL. Besides, it's a great article, and I can only agree with it.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16086 Posts
December 19 2015 08:50 GMT
#28
I hope Polt, Hydra and some other koreans with a visa make this system look like a joke and win every tournament. This is really the most retarded thing someone could ever come up with.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 19 2015 08:59 GMT
#29
On December 19 2015 17:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Reading the requirements for a "Global" Event, pretty much every IEM that has happened will work. The prizepool would need to be bigger, but given how much they cost to run, it doesn't seem a huge issue (especially if Blizzard is backing some of them).

DH will probably be functionally European Tournaments, which it actually mostly has been for a while. Though could make some of the bigger ones a "Global" event without much of a change.

Looking at last year's list of Premier tournaments, the only tournaments actually effected will be the Dreamhacks. Some of the IEMs will become "Circuit" championships. This isn't going to be as much of a change as we're thinking.


Though the ones getting the worst hit are the B-teamers in Korea. You're not going to see many Solar runs when they're approaching being an A-teamer. But being a B-teamer has always been pretty terrible in Starcraft.

You are WRONG. You need to read it again. There are no Global Events.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 19 2015 09:01 GMT
#30
On December 19 2015 17:50 Charoisaur wrote:
I hope Polt, Hydra and some other koreans with a visa make this system look like a joke and win every tournament. This is really the most retarded thing someone could ever come up with.

Exactly, I just hope, MC does it as well. When there are so much money available for free for him ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 19 2015 09:07 GMT
#31
I see the main result of these changes in a big amount of fans, who will stop cheering for foreign players and will cheer only for the disadvantaged Korean players.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
December 19 2015 09:10 GMT
#32
On December 19 2015 17:59 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 17:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Reading the requirements for a "Global" Event, pretty much every IEM that has happened will work. The prizepool would need to be bigger, but given how much they cost to run, it doesn't seem a huge issue (especially if Blizzard is backing some of them).

DH will probably be functionally European Tournaments, which it actually mostly has been for a while. Though could make some of the bigger ones a "Global" event without much of a change.

Looking at last year's list of Premier tournaments, the only tournaments actually effected will be the Dreamhacks. Some of the IEMs will become "Circuit" championships. This isn't going to be as much of a change as we're thinking.


Though the ones getting the worst hit are the B-teamers in Korea. You're not going to see many Solar runs when they're approaching being an A-teamer. But being a B-teamer has always been pretty terrible in Starcraft.

You are WRONG. You need to read it again. There are no Global Events.


There aren't any announced yet. And the rules have only been published for 2 days. This doesn't mean I think this is the best choice of action, but the Doom & Gloom is, currently, way overblown.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 09:13:07
December 19 2015 09:11 GMT
#33
edit: alright, whatever
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
December 19 2015 09:14 GMT
#34
this new system could be bad or it could be good, but it is important to take more time before people make the drastic judgments they love to make. I think most opinions online have been formed based on richard lewis' posts and not on the actual rules...
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DnCL
Profile Joined May 2013
86 Posts
December 19 2015 09:19 GMT
#35
Will this decrease the amount of practice non-koreans get from playing against koreans ?

(And this negative tought I can't dimiss: '' If you can't win, reduce the competition '' ) ?
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 19 2015 09:21 GMT
#36
On December 19 2015 18:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 17:59 Diabolique wrote:
On December 19 2015 17:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Reading the requirements for a "Global" Event, pretty much every IEM that has happened will work. The prizepool would need to be bigger, but given how much they cost to run, it doesn't seem a huge issue (especially if Blizzard is backing some of them).

DH will probably be functionally European Tournaments, which it actually mostly has been for a while. Though could make some of the bigger ones a "Global" event without much of a change.

Looking at last year's list of Premier tournaments, the only tournaments actually effected will be the Dreamhacks. Some of the IEMs will become "Circuit" championships. This isn't going to be as much of a change as we're thinking.


Though the ones getting the worst hit are the B-teamers in Korea. You're not going to see many Solar runs when they're approaching being an A-teamer. But being a B-teamer has always been pretty terrible in Starcraft.

You are WRONG. You need to read it again. There are no Global Events.


There aren't any announced yet. And the rules have only been published for 2 days. This doesn't mean I think this is the best choice of action, but the Doom & Gloom is, currently, way overblown.

No, it is not overblown. Not at all. You are writing that IEM will be a Global Event. It will not. IEM announced, it will become WCS Welfare Circuit. DH as well. RB probably as well. There is no preexisting bigger event than IEMs were. So, it seems, none of the old preexisting events will be bigger than IEM and become WCS Global Event. It just does not exist.

I personally believe, somebody will pick it up and organize a global event. If there is none, I can imagine, Blizzard itself will organize a new event, without tradition, without history. One. If we are lucky.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 19 2015 09:22 GMT
#37
I am so glad that TL did not "officially" jump on the "look how this is great for foreigners, all the posters disliking it are stupid negative spoiled brats" train. I understand that when you are playing the "journalist" impression, you don't want to sound outright negative, so the article is way too "balanced" for my taste, but I am glad that the negatives take the spotlight here. The lack of foreigner-Korean interaction is really what kills this whole concept.
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ZombieFrog
Profile Joined August 2014
United States87 Posts
December 19 2015 09:38 GMT
#38
Ultimate result is sadly going to be far far less tournaments with top koreans and far more with players worse then even Korean B teamers. The worst part will be that with reduced competition from not having to play koreans, I can only imagine the foreign scene will fall even further behind in skill. Ultimately I think I'll stick to late night Korean tournaments and will not be watching many IEMs or anything this year. I hope some global tournaments are set up, but I'm pessamistic
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 10:06:51
December 19 2015 10:04 GMT
#39
On December 19 2015 17:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Reading the requirements for a "Global" Event, pretty much every IEM that has happened will work. The prizepool would need to be bigger, but given how much they cost to run, it doesn't seem a huge issue (especially if Blizzard is backing some of them).

They were unwilling/unable to have prize pools beyond 25k at all their SC2 events except for Katowice in the past. Why would they be willing to make events going to 50k plus with their own money (which is what Global Events require) when they can run Circuit events where they can rely on Blizzard funding?

IEM Taipei they already announced is gonna be an 8 Korean invitational with a 25k prize pool. Doesn't really leave hope for IEM events becoming Global.
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todespolka
Profile Joined November 2012
221 Posts
December 19 2015 10:08 GMT
#40
The system we have now sends the 8 best foreigners to blizzcon. Who else could compete with koreans if not the top 8? That means if we have a foreigner who is able to compete with koreans we will still get to see these matches.

We want that people play on local servers but we are against a lock? People who have access to korean server have an edge over others.
In regard to ladder incentive. You either set the number of wins very high which players achieve only if they ladder all the time or you set the number of required wins low which the best players will achieve in a short period of time.
This means its either unfair to players who have to work and go to school or it forces worse player to ladder on na because they couldnt achieve the number of wins yet while the best players still ladder on korea/eu.
We had both systems and from my point of view both have failed in certain aspects. Ladder lock makes sense because of region lock. We want to know the best of a region. With a ladder lock all players of a region have the opportunity to practise vs each other which wont happen if they can play on all servers. Also it will be unfair towards players who cant play on korean or on eu server.
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