EPTInno seems fine, you could maybe argue that Byul should be considered and for toss? herO or classic
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The_Red_Viper
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Inno seems fine, you could maybe argue that Byul should be considered and for toss? herO or classic | ||
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swissman777
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 07:25 Elentos wrote: For the record, without Blizzcon and not including what Jin Air got in Proleague, sOs would have made less money this year than Firecake. Also I didn't say his run was easy, but it was easier than what the other semifinalists went through (and his Ro32 was MMA and Sacsri). I had a quick look and I think Byul's run looks pretty easy too. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
herO is easily the best protoss what with having strong consistency all year along with two Korean premiere wins. Life vs ByuL is close but edge goes to Life for having a fearsome opening to the year and coming extremely close to winning Blizzcon. This is coming from a huge ByuL fan. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 25 2015 07:32 swissman777 wrote: I had a quick look and I think Byul's run looks pretty easy too. His run was Maru --> HerO --> TY --> Curious --> Dream --> herO --> PartinG. Sorry, but Curious --> MMA --> Sacsri --> Bbyong --> Rain --> Myungsik was easier at the time. | ||
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 07:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Bogus should have a slight edge on Maru for Terran. herO is easily the best protoss what with having strong consistency all year along with two Korean premiere wins. Life vs ByuL is close but edge goes to Life for having a fearsome opening to the year and coming extremely close to winning Blizzcon. This is coming from a huge ByuL fan. Is Hot6ix cup considered korean premier? Then sOs has achieved similar to herO's "two Korean premiere wins" plus all the proleague shenanigans. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 25 2015 07:36 swissman777 wrote: Is Hot6ix cup considered korean premier? Then sOs has achieved similar to herO's "two Korean premiere wins" plus all the proleague shenanigans. Hot6ix Cup was in 2014. Plus outside of all-kill format sOs was average for the longest time while herO is the Proleague player with the most wins. | ||
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 07:35 Elentos wrote: His run was Maru --> HerO --> TY --> Curious --> Dream --> herO --> PartinG. Sorry, but Curious --> MMA --> Sacsri --> Bbyong --> Rain --> Myungsik was easier at the time. But Byul lost to Maru and Curious, while sOs lost to only Curious. Plus sOs winning against rain the eventual champion says sth. Parting's PvZ is his weakest matchup too. | ||
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 07:38 Elentos wrote: Hot6ix Cup was in 2014. Plus outside of all-kill format sOs was average for the longest time while herO is the Proleague player with the most wins. I thought we were talking about the season in the award, the one right after 2014 blizzcon. Also, what was herO's record in post seasons? I don't think they were great at all E: Overall, sOs and herO's win ratio is same with +2 all kills for sOs | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 25 2015 07:40 swissman777 wrote: But Byul lost to Maru and Curious, while sOs lost to only Curious. Plus sOs winning against rain the eventual champion says sth. Parting's PvZ is his weakest matchup too. Maru was still going strong back then and ByuL played him after a very grueling week of Kespa Cup and SSL. As for Curious, that run was probably one of the peaks of his career and he was very strong in ZvZ (he went on to make Rogue look like a jabroni in the ro8). No shame in losing to either of them. PartinG's PvZ was still deadly as well and the MU was still tough for most Zergs since this was just after the SH patch. Really, I don't any of ByuL's runs were easy which makes his year even more tragic :/ | ||
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Lgnarrow
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Elentos
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On November 25 2015 07:40 swissman777 wrote: But Byul lost to Maru and Curious, while sOs lost to only Curious. Plus sOs winning against rain the eventual champion says sth. Parting's PvZ is his weakest matchup too. Rain's PvP at the time was wank, just a week after winning GSL he almost got eliminated from Homestory Cup because of it (by Lilbow and HuK, no less). PartinG by the way had a game in the ro16 against Rogue where he, on 2 bases, made up for a 90 supply deficit against a 4-base Zerg (one of which a gold base) with micro alone. He was in a good condition at the time. Also the fact that ByuL lost twice doesn't make his road easier, it further shows that it was a difficult one IMO. Just like I wouldn't hold losing to Curious against sOs in determining how hard his road was. You could consider Rain had a pretty easy road to the Ro8 though. GuMiho only performs when Leifeng money is on the line. Sorry who is more popular for proxying reapers than anything else. Bbyong who never gets past the Ro16 anyway. And INnoVation in a slump. | ||
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 07:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Maru was still going strong back then and ByuL played him after a very grueling week of Kespa Cup and SSL. As for Curious, that run was probably one of the peaks of his career and he was very strong in ZvZ (he went on to make Rogue look like a jabroni in the ro8). No shame in losing to either of them. PartinG's PvZ was also very deadly back then as well and the MU was still tough for most Zergs since this was just after the SH patch. Really, I don't any of ByuL's runs were easy which makes his year even more tragic :/ Well, herO's loss to Curious plus Parting's loss in kespa cup plus Parting's lack of dominance in PvZ implies that Parting's style was figured out pretty quickly. Also, my argument was that since Byul lost to maru, I don't think it should count in Byul's run to semi-finals. Maru was good, but Byul was good in ZvT too and very confident at it at the time. E: my point in Byul losing to Maru and Curious was to show that sOs' run was not any easier bc he won against easier players while Byul lost to harder players. | ||
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Elentos
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On November 25 2015 07:41 swissman777 wrote: I thought we were talking about the season in the award, the one right after 2014 blizzcon. Also, what was herO's record in post seasons? I don't think they were great at all Even then, Hot6ix Cup is his only Korean premier. Neither Blizzcon, nor MSI were Korean events. Not to mention, both Classic and herO won Starleagues which are way higher value than Hot6ix Cup type of things anyway. Obviously winning Blizzcon is a big deal. But in the months between Hot6ix and MSI, sOs was thoroughly outdone by other Protoss players. | ||
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 07:59 Elentos wrote: Even then, Hot6ix Cup is his only Korean premier. Neither Blizzcon, nor MSI were Korean events. Not to mention, both Classic and herO won Starleagues which are way higher value than Hot6ix Cup type of things anyway. So blizzcon doesn't count as good as a Korean premier? Also the fact that Hot6ix and Blizzcon are short does not mean they are less prestigious; it's a different style of running a tournament. The flaw in the longer tournaments is that it allows players to get help from his team(external) in terms of practicing and coming up with builds, where as shorter tournaments tests on the player more and his ability(internal) to improvise or plan at the spot. Who knows how much help herO got from Coach Park in preparing whereas sOs had to rely on his own more (unless Ryu Won secretly helped him)? So why do you think gsl and ssl are higher value tournaments than Blizzcon type of tournaments (aka " Hot6ix Cup type of things" )? | ||
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swissman777
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
But it's their awards. I suppose they can do it however they want. In terms of actual skill and popularity, I'd say Innovation's popularity matched his skill. Life looked so-so but like, his best performance was really just Blizzcon... | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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swissman777
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On November 25 2015 17:07 Blargh wrote: Strange. I think they are placing too much value on Blizzcon finals. Of course, it was impressive and he is imo a top 5 player for the year, but, let's be real here. He looked mediocre for most of the year. It was just towards the end where he started to impress again. But it's their awards. I suppose they can do it however they want. In terms of actual skill and popularity, I'd say Innovation's popularity matched his skill. Life looked so-so but like, his best performance was really just Blizzcon... I think kespa really likes blizzcon. I mean it's prestigious and really stacked with players giving it all for what they have prepared throughout the year, but sOs also won best protoss in 2013 thanks to his run in blizzcon (although Dear was only relevant at the end of the year and Rain won one championship in 2013). Still, sOs' best performance was between his MSI win and blizzcon, which was intense and still a pretty long period imo. I think people in TL don't rate teamleagues as highly as they should. Proleague is prestigious and sOs carried his team in postseason with double all-kills within months. Usually players only get to do that once a year. Also, I think it's just a difference in nature: herO is consistent and same whereas sOs goes all over. You'll be surprised though that sOs makes up his lows with his highs. I mean, herO and sOs have same overall win rate in proleague, which is saying sth. (I know sOs won most in all-kill format, but herO also had his chance in the all-kill format too) | ||
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