EPT* 2014 Winter Olympics
* F1
* Champions League, Premier League, Ligue 1, FA Cup
* NHL, KHL
They've also had some e-sport broadcasts before, e.g TI3 on TV6 (free TV channel in Sweden).
MTG aquires Dreamhack - Page 3
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Prillan
Sweden350 Posts
* 2014 Winter Olympics * F1 * Champions League, Premier League, Ligue 1, FA Cup * NHL, KHL They've also had some e-sport broadcasts before, e.g TI3 on TV6 (free TV channel in Sweden). | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On November 12 2015 19:27 PPN wrote: I don't understand the kinda "let's hope it's not a bad thing" comments. Of course it is a bad thing because we are getting closer to a monopoly. Have we ever seen anything good coming from a monopoly? I sure never have. Google? | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
Most sports leagues are in fact monopoly, now, if they count as good is up to your interpretation. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17890 Posts
and this acquisition does not make them a monopoly. not even close. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On November 12 2015 23:32 ragz_gt wrote: Most sports leagues are in fact monopoly, now, if they count as good is up to your interpretation. yeah as long as the product doesn't change I don't see the problem. Hoping this ends up being good for everyone! | ||
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Kofuku
31 Posts
On November 12 2015 20:09 Korakys wrote: Revenue =/= Profit Addendum: Revenue = Sales = Turnover Very true, but maybe more importantly the acquisition price is US$28,000,000 and the revenues number is SEK69,000,000 (about US$8 million)  So actually it's a ~3.5x revenues valuation, which is very healthy and paints an entirely different picture of MTG expecting Dreamhack to continue to grow/perform well as opposed to being a fire sale  I think monopoly/consolidation in sports is good if it is a competently managed monopoly. As raz_gt already pointed out, all major sports leagues are run as monopolies. Who knows? If they care enough, between Dreamhack and IEM there could be a bigger non-WCS SC2 competition circuit, like an expanded version of the buildup to the IEM World Championship. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On November 12 2015 23:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: and this acquisition does not make them a monopoly. not even close. Of course it does. Cite any other league with a semblance of relevance worldwide that may weigh against all of these at once on SC2? On CounterStrike? On DotA2? (I do not know LoL enough, but I think Riot could). On CS:GO, all the majors have been organised by these, plus most premier tournaments. You still have Gfinity, Faceit, CEVO, SLTV but they're not even close on their own. For CS:GO, this is a monopoly. Other games I'd be a bit less assertive, but for SC2, apart from the korean leagues (which care about korea), who would you think of? On DotA2, I remember a few like SLTV, The Summit, MLG, but I don't see anyone big enough as well... (that's the game I'm the least sure of though, esp. considering China). It's not only about the number of tournaments/leagues, it's also about their weight, and these three combined definitely have an overwhelming presence on CS at least. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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Prillan
Sweden350 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:13 Ragnarork wrote: Of course it does. Cite any other league with a semblance of relevance worldwide that may weigh against all of these at once on SC2? On CounterStrike? On DotA2? (I do not know LoL enough, but I think Riot could). On CS:GO, all the majors have been organised by these, plus most premier tournaments. You still have Gfinity, Faceit, CEVO, SLTV but they're not even close on their own. For CS:GO, this is a monopoly. Other games I'd be a bit less assertive, but for SC2, apart from the korean leagues (which care about korea), who would you think of? On DotA2, I remember a few like SLTV, The Summit, MLG, but I don't see anyone big enough as well... (that's the game I'm the least sure of though, esp. considering China). It's not only about the number of tournaments/leagues, it's also about their weight, and these three combined definitely have an overwhelming presence on CS at least. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's nowhere near a monopoly, right? | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17890 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:13 Ragnarork wrote: Of course it does. Cite any other league with a semblance of relevance worldwide that may weigh against all of these at once on SC2? On CounterStrike? On DotA2? (I do not know LoL enough, but I think Riot could). On CS:GO, all the majors have been organised by these, plus most premier tournaments. You still have Gfinity, Faceit, CEVO, SLTV but they're not even close on their own. For CS:GO, this is a monopoly. Other games I'd be a bit less assertive, but for SC2, apart from the korean leagues (which care about korea), who would you think of? On DotA2, I remember a few like SLTV, The Summit, MLG, but I don't see anyone big enough as well... (that's the game I'm the least sure of though, esp. considering China). It's not only about the number of tournaments/leagues, it's also about their weight, and these three combined definitely have an overwhelming presence on CS at least. lol, it'd be like claiming the NBA had a monopoly on basketball while they still had to arrange event set-ups and rule changes with the Naismith family. and DO NOT remove the context from my rebuttal. it was a 1 word reply in a SC2 forum whose previous post was about SC2. that is what i refuted. so don't turn it into something else. k thx. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On November 13 2015 02:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: lol, it'd be like claiming the NBA had a monopoly on basketball while they still had to arrange event set-ups and rule changes with the Naismith family. and DO NOT remove the context from my rebuttal. it was a 1 word reply in a SC2 forum whose previous post was about SC2. that is what i refuted. so don't turn it into something else. k thx. Let's see how Premier tournaments we had this year : 21 tournaments, 8 are from Korea (3 GSL, 3 SSL and two KeSPA Cup.) Now let's see how many european/american Premier tournaments we had this year : 13 tournaments, 4 IEM, 1 HSC, 4 WCS, 3 DH and 1 MSI. WCS was produced this season by ESL, MSI MGA was produced by ESL. There is only HSC produced by an independant company this year. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On November 13 2015 01:31 Prillan wrote: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's nowhere near a monopoly, right? This is not strictly a monopoly if you consider that the fact nobody has the same weight as them on many games and can't go against them on an equal basis is only a subset of the economic term meaning. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On November 12 2015 18:08 Destructicon wrote: I've always been weary of companies that go around buying out everyone else, thus I'm not really happy. Hopefully my fears will be unfounded and good things will come of this. Hopefully is not the reality | ||
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
Then again I could be totaly wrong I have no inside at all. Also I feel like this show very well the gap betwen how many esport actors want us to see it and what is realy is. I mean I love Carmac but I have heard him or other said things like esports will be one of the biggest things in a few year, or esports is as big as tennis. Yet the two biggest esport brodcaster in the west, and they are the biggest by quite a lot, have just been bought for 100 million (28 million for Dreamhack and 78 million for 74% of esl). Lets say that esl is worth 100 million on his own, that is still a very low amount of money in this kind of business. Just to give a scalle Roger bought nhl tv right in Canada for 5,4 billion dollars for only 12 years and MTG did not only bought the diffusion right they bought all the company. I don't want to say that esport won't ever be as big as traditional sport but there is still a very long way to go. Sorry if the english is bad | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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tekrebel
56 Posts
Does MTG mean Magic the Gathering? Or is this a different company known for something else? I grew up playing mtg so mtg will always mean magic the gathering to me lol. I will also accept mtg to mean meeting. | ||
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