EPTeh come on guys be a little empathetic
it's not like you have to be proud of lilbow or anything but you can just lay off. what about all the other players who lilbow walked over to get where he got? blizzcon is cut-throat, we know that
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
eh come on guys be a little empathetic it's not like you have to be proud of lilbow or anything but you can just lay off. what about all the other players who lilbow walked over to get where he got? blizzcon is cut-throat, we know that | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
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Wuster
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On November 03 2015 05:52 Nebuchad wrote: Viper: IIRC, Chobra asked how he felt about the match given that he's viewed as a favourite to ship it all. Inno said he didn't think it was going to be as easy as everyone claimed, because Zest is good and because he didn't practice a lot. You can tell an argument started from the conclusion when you read stuff like this. You think Inno said he didn't prepare much before he easily 3-0ed Zest out of "modesty"? Come on... Also you touch on the problem yourself: you think it's true in the case of Lilbow. Why do you think that? Because the games looked bad. Welcome to the end of the line. This notion that the games looking bad had nothing to do with why you feel disrespected by a player is kind of ridiculous. We believe it from Lilbow because he keeps offering his match history as proof that he only played twice in the last month. Not to mention that even when he caught flak for it, he never denied it. | ||
lohdon
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:57 Incognoto wrote: armchair nerds telling professional players how they should prepare their matches. eh come on guys be a little empathetic it's not like you have to be proud of lilbow or anything but you can just lay off. what about all the other players who lilbow walked over to get where he got? blizzcon is cut-throat, we know that It wasn't really people telling him how to prepare... | ||
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Popkiller
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
i actually agree that lilbows comments were pretty clumsy and ill mannered, but hoooly shit the way people are flipping out, talking about how foreigners are trash and he's the new naniwa... this is the side of sc2 that gets a bad reputation, man sometimes i think people need to take deep breaths and remember that these are basically kids playing computer games. i'm not saying people shouldn't be expected to behave maturely, but sometimes overreacting to immaturity is immature in itself | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:07 Ansibled wrote: It wasn't really people telling him how to prepare... i'm talking about what i'm reading in this thread | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:57 Incognoto wrote: armchair nerds telling professional players how they should prepare their matches. eh come on guys be a little empathetic it's not like you have to be proud of lilbow or anything but you can just lay off. what about all the other players who lilbow walked over to get where he got? blizzcon is cut-throat, we know that Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with telling people how they should or should not prepare, but it's a reasonable assumption that players would prepare for a tournament as significant as Blizzcon. However, this controversy doesn't really stem from Lilbow's lack of preparation, it stems from his use of lacking preparation as some kind of excuse, and his complete disregard for competitive integrity. He should have stayed quiet, and none of this would have flared up. He would have been embarrassed by Life, but many have been. This way, he embarrassed himself - seemingly intentionally - and it's a lot harder for people to swallow. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:09 brickrd wrote: this whole thing is pretty hilarious i actually agree that lilbows comments were pretty clumsy and ill mannered, but hoooly shit the way people are flipping out, talking about how foreigners are trash and he's the new naniwa... this is the side of sc2 that gets a bad reputation, man sometimes i think people need to take deep breaths and remember that these are basically kids playing computer games. i'm not saying people shouldn't be expected to behave maturely, but sometimes overreacting to immaturity is immature in itself You know what gives sc2 a bad reputation? People forgiving bullshit like this or saying "He would've lost anyway, it's no big deal" | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:13 Karpfen wrote: His fans are roaches yet he wasn't even worthy of roaches against life hey Life made roaches on Terraform | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:13 showstealer1829 wrote: You know what gives sc2 a bad reputation? People forgiving bullshit like this or saying "He would've lost anyway, it's no big deal" you realize there's a middle area between saying he did nothing wrong and saying he's a plague on the scene and human dirt? i'm just saying measured reactions, man. if you actually care for someone to learn from their mistakes and keep putting their energy into the game then you can't just publicly incinerate them. we're all just people to each his own opinion, but i think drama mongering makes sc2 look much worse than "a young player did something stupid." like young athletes in physical sports don't say stupid crap? like you or i didn't say stupid crap at the same age? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12379 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:12 Zealously wrote: Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with telling people how they should or should not prepare, but it's a reasonable assumption that players would prepare for a tournament as significant as Blizzcon. However, this controversy doesn't really stem from Lilbow's lack of preparation, it stems from his use of lacking preparation as some kind of excuse, and his complete disregard for competitive integrity. He should have stayed quiet, and none of this would have flared up. He would have been embarrassed by Life, but many have been. This way, he embarrassed himself - seemingly intentionally - and it's a lot harder for people to swallow. While you're right that he should have stayed quiet, players looking for excuses in the face of impending wreckage and/or after said wreckage is nothing new, particular or special. Certainly not worth what's happening now. | ||
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Penev
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:19 brickrd wrote: you realize there's a middle area between saying he did nothing wrong and saying he's a plague on the scene and human dirt? i'm just saying measured reactions, man. if you actually care for someone to learn from their mistakes and keep putting their energy into the game then you can't just publicly incinerate them. we're all just people to each his own opinion, but i think drama mongering makes sc2 look much worse than "a young player did something stupid." like young athletes in physical sports don't say stupid crap? like you or i didn't say stupid crap at the same age? Athletes get trashed when they say stupid things, as they should. Lilbow is having what he deserves -and man he should really lock his twitter down. But don't worry, the fury will slowly die out. Everyone will have forgotten about what in the end is an anecdote about an irrelevant player (when it comes to the highest level of competition) when Blizzcon begins. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:21 Nebuchad wrote: While you're right that he should have stayed quiet, players looking for excuses in the face of impending wreckage and/or after said wreckage is nothing new, particular or special. Certainly not worth what's happening now. Certainly not, but it is the mob mentality at work. Reddit and other social media serve as echo chambers, riling people up all the way to eleven. Reactions are rarely proportionate to what actually happened, but I place the blame firmly on Lilbow for making off-handed remarks in the first place. He's not new to the scene, he should have known what would happen. Does he deserve endless shit? No, but he certainly did his best to invite it. | ||
CynicalDeath
Italy3541 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:12 Zealously wrote: Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with telling people how they should or should not prepare, but it's a reasonable assumption that players would prepare for a tournament as significant as Blizzcon. However, this controversy doesn't really stem from Lilbow's lack of preparation, it stems from his use of lacking preparation as some kind of excuse, and his complete disregard for competitive integrity. He should have stayed quiet, and none of this would have flared up. He would have been embarrassed by Life, but many have been. This way, he embarrassed himself - seemingly intentionally - and it's a lot harder for people to swallow. 10/10  | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:12 Zealously wrote: Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with telling people how they should or should not prepare, but it's a reasonable assumption that players would prepare for a tournament as significant as Blizzcon. However, this controversy doesn't really stem from Lilbow's lack of preparation, it stems from his use of lacking preparation as some kind of excuse, and his complete disregard for competitive integrity. He should have stayed quiet, and none of this would have flared up. He would have been embarrassed by Life, but many have been. This way, he embarrassed himself - seemingly intentionally - and it's a lot harder for people to swallow. I know this and again, I don't particularly care about lilbow. However, in this thread I find people who are saying how they would obviously have prepared for a series against life and just find that distasteful. You can be annoyed all you want at lilbow for looking for excuses, but don't hold it against him in terms of actual play. I also don't particular care about lilbow looking for excuses because they remain just that: excuses. If he wants to bring them up, sure whatever, it's his own integrity which he's wrecking. However one must remember that excuses in the first place stem from criticism of his play. Well all in all, my view is that people are a bit too mad about it and I'd feel bad for any player who gets witch hunted, even if it's for a possibly legitimate reason. lay off guys, all i'm saying ~~ | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:23 [PkF] Wire wrote: Athletes get trashed when they say stupid things, as they should. Lilbow is having what he deserves -and man he should really lock his twitter down. But don't worry, the fury will slowly die out. Everyone will have forgotten about what in the end is an anecdote when Blizzcon begins. i realize that athletes get shit on too, it's part of my point. people forget that being young and having celebrity for a sporting talent can involve a lot of pressure and magnifies mistakes in ways that can be hard to deal with. like i said, i think his comments were foolish at best and rude at worst, but there are people who pounce on these things for the sheer joy of trashing a player, and i think that's often just as ugly as the player's poor behavior and i'm not really worried. it's on lilbow to be able to handle the good and bad that come with minor celebrity, and it doesn't really effect me. but i call them as i see them, and some of the people in this thread are just absurd | ||
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