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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-02 18:58:50
November 02 2015 18:49 GMT
#121
On November 03 2015 03:27 KrOeastbound wrote:
Yeah it was a poor performance. At least Hydra won and Polt put up a decent fight so the WCS scene doesn't look too shabby.

I'm afraid this is going to haunt him for a while either way.

And someone really should stop him tweeting about it.

Edit: Should've been a reply to CrimeCat's post. Weird
I Protoss winner, could it be?
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
November 02 2015 18:49 GMT
#122
On November 03 2015 03:41 sitromit wrote:
Storm in a teacup.

Player who qualified by winning a charity mickey mouse tournament doesn't practice because he knows he has zero chance. Believes he can get ahead by switching to the expansion, like all the foreigners did back at the end of WoL, only to get demolished by Koreans who came to IEM having played a handful of HotS games. Remember Grubby and all the other foreigners who had switched to completely HotS months before it came out, because the game was going to be so much better and they, having had a head start compared to Koreans, were going to be relevant and competitive? Yeah...

How dare you question the legitimacy of the qualification process for BlizzCon?! All sixteen players qualified because no-one else in the entire world could challenge their well earned spots. Are you saying Lilbow was less of a legitimate contender for winning BlizzCon than say soO? Don't be ridiculous, please.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 02 2015 18:51 GMT
#123
On November 03 2015 03:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 03:47 Big J wrote:
On November 03 2015 03:39 stuchiu wrote:
I mean this has all happened before. The last WoL tournament was GSL where the top 8 was Innovation, Symbol, Curious, Parting, Taeja, Soulkey, MC and Roro.

They all dropped down in results because the rest of the world had moved on to HotS and then......

Oh wait nevermind, Innovation became the best Terran in the world, Symbol got two ro8s in Korean lans and top 4 at HSC, Curious got a top 4 at IEM NY beating sOs and Flash (who was in good form at the time), Parting became one of the best Protoss, Taeja continued being stronger than ever, Soulkey became the best Zerg, MC got WCS EU 2nd place twice and Roro got two ro8s in Korean/WCS Final leagues.

Nope, guess there isnt any historical evidence of results downsliding because the competition had a few more months of practice.

There was an actual DH qualifier in the beta. I can't see any of the names of the Blizzcon participant's besides Lilbow's in the section "qualified". Somehow there is an immidiate payoff for playing LotV before the others here that you kind of don't mention, no?

All 15 other participants wouldn't have been allowed to play in the DH qualifiers because they're Koreans anyway.

Oh yeah, true. Still, Lilbow is there. And he wouldn't be otherwise, except for hoping to catch that one wild card for Westerners they give away.
r_gg
Profile Joined August 2015
141 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-02 18:52:45
November 02 2015 18:51 GMT
#124
On November 03 2015 03:39 Dodgin wrote:
I'm wondering if the backlash would have been the same if one of the Korean players claimed this and then won their match.

I think this is more of a case of foreign player fans projecting their insecurities and lofty expectations onto their only hope, and taking his decision far too personally.


I'd bet the reactions from the Korean community would be the exact same or if anything much harsher. I won't be surprised if a player gets kicked out of a team or get banned from certain tournaments for showing such poor attitude.
Writer
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 02 2015 18:52 GMT
#125
I think lilbow will always get shit for this unless he wins one of the first lotv tournaments.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 02 2015 18:53 GMT
#126
On November 03 2015 03:51 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 03:48 Elentos wrote:
On November 03 2015 03:47 Big J wrote:
On November 03 2015 03:39 stuchiu wrote:
I mean this has all happened before. The last WoL tournament was GSL where the top 8 was Innovation, Symbol, Curious, Parting, Taeja, Soulkey, MC and Roro.

They all dropped down in results because the rest of the world had moved on to HotS and then......

Oh wait nevermind, Innovation became the best Terran in the world, Symbol got two ro8s in Korean lans and top 4 at HSC, Curious got a top 4 at IEM NY beating sOs and Flash (who was in good form at the time), Parting became one of the best Protoss, Taeja continued being stronger than ever, Soulkey became the best Zerg, MC got WCS EU 2nd place twice and Roro got two ro8s in Korean/WCS Final leagues.

Nope, guess there isnt any historical evidence of results downsliding because the competition had a few more months of practice.

There was an actual DH qualifier in the beta. I can't see any of the names of the Blizzcon participant's besides Lilbow's in the section "qualified". Somehow there is an immidiate payoff for playing LotV before the others here that you kind of don't mention, no?

All 15 other participants wouldn't have been allowed to play in the DH qualifiers because they're Koreans anyway.

Oh yeah, true. Still, Lilbow is there. And he wouldn't be otherwise, except for hoping to catch that one wild card for Westerners they give away.

I too would give up on Blizzcon in order to qualify for a Dreamhack. PRIORITIES!
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Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-02 19:25:36
November 02 2015 18:55 GMT
#127
As Poisonskin wrote so eloquently in the thread for Ro 16: I can't believe I stayed up so late on a work night to watch somebody who didn't even practice for the biggest tournament of his life.

And then same somebody goes on and says people who criticize his unprofessionalism are "Roaches".

Unbelievable.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5586 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-02 19:04:07
November 02 2015 19:02 GMT
#128
On November 03 2015 03:49 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 03:27 KrOeastbound wrote:
Yeah it was a poor performance. At least Hydra won and Polt put up a decent fight so the WCS scene doesn't look too shabby.

I'm afraid this is going to haunt him for a while either way.

And someone really should stop him tweeting about it.
https://twitter.com/LilbowSC/status/661231565708521472

If safe means scouting and reacting, then yes, he really should. This has nothing to do with the expansion at hand. Going for blind builds and expecting Life to play "honorably" is nothing but indifference.

Just wondering, would Lilbow have checked the the back of Moonlight Madness in LotV?
don't wall off against random
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 02 2015 19:04 GMT
#129
sucks to be him. He should know better, LotV training won't pay ouf since Karmas a bitch. And Blizzard will roll out a pretty different multiplayer from the last beta version on release.
Kinda looked like he wasn't the only one already prepping for LotV though >.<
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 02 2015 19:06 GMT
#130
I would have been more happy to know that Life is a god who can cheese out top foreigners by 6 pooling in blizzcon than have anti-climatic storyline of a foreigner who just didn't practice get destroyed.
rip passion
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
November 02 2015 19:12 GMT
#131
meh i'm getting annoyed at this thread

i don't personally care about lilbow (just a foreigner and a protoss player, says a lot really), but the guy did what none of the other drips did and won wcs. he went through a lot of good players.

to say that he was unprepared for the match is a stretch, since he had probably prepared some shit. we didn't see it because he got all-in'd three times in a row.

it's bad foresight on his part, but that's how it rolls. were his builds unsafe? maybe, maybe that's all he knew. maybe he figured that life would take him seriously and he'd get at least one game going the way he wanted. we'll never know and frankly who gives a shit.

foreigners are bad, so why not blame all foreigners for being bad instead of laying the blame on the ONE SINGLE foreigner who managed to make it, just because he didn't live up to your expectations versus one of the favorites to take the entire damn thing.

lol, calm yourselves
maru lover forever
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15932 Posts
November 02 2015 19:13 GMT
#132
On November 03 2015 04:04 FeyFey wrote:
Kinda looked like he wasn't the only one already prepping for LotV though >.<

But he was the only one who didn't give a fuck about the tournament.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
November 02 2015 19:13 GMT
#133
On November 03 2015 03:49 DonDomingo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 03:41 sitromit wrote:
Storm in a teacup.

Player who qualified by winning a charity mickey mouse tournament doesn't practice because he knows he has zero chance. Believes he can get ahead by switching to the expansion, like all the foreigners did back at the end of WoL, only to get demolished by Koreans who came to IEM having played a handful of HotS games. Remember Grubby and all the other foreigners who had switched to completely HotS months before it came out, because the game was going to be so much better and they, having had a head start compared to Koreans, were going to be relevant and competitive? Yeah...

How dare you question the legitimacy of the qualification process for BlizzCon?! All sixteen players qualified because no-one else in the entire world could challenge their well earned spots. Are you saying Lilbow was less of a legitimate contender for winning BlizzCon than say soO? Don't be ridiculous, please.


Put soO in the WCS system and he would have made it lol
Potassium Gang
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
November 02 2015 19:16 GMT
#134
this is a desaster for foreign pros that would give anything for a chance like this

foreigners are sometimes considered lazy and now they should be considered even more
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 02 2015 19:16 GMT
#135
On November 03 2015 03:55 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:
As Poisonskin wrote so eloquently in the thread for Ro 16: I can't believe I stayed up so late on a work night to watch somebody who didn't even practice for the biggest tournament of his life.

And then same somebody then goes on and says people who criticize his unprofessionalism are "Roaches".

Unbelievable.


And his Facebook post where he said he predicted Life would cheese, he could have beaten Life if he practiced, but decided LotV was more important.

He also lied about not being able to practice (ya, I'll take TLO's word over his any day of the week).
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15932 Posts
November 02 2015 19:16 GMT
#136
On November 03 2015 04:12 Incognoto wrote:
meh i'm getting annoyed at this thread

i don't personally care about lilbow (just a foreigner and a protoss player, says a lot really), but the guy did what none of the other drips did and won wcs. he went through a lot of good players.

to say that he was unprepared for the match is a stretch, since he had probably prepared some shit. we didn't see it because he got all-in'd three times in a row.

it's bad foresight on his part, but that's how it rolls. were his builds unsafe? maybe, maybe that's all he knew. maybe he figured that life would take him seriously and he'd get at least one game going the way he wanted. we'll never know and frankly who gives a shit.

foreigners are bad, so why not blame all foreigners for being bad instead of laying the blame on the ONE SINGLE foreigner who managed to make it, just because he didn't live up to your expectations versus one of the favorites to take the entire damn thing.

lol, calm yourselves

it's often said already that the games aren't the problem but his unprofessional attitude.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
November 02 2015 19:21 GMT
#137
Lilbow is disgusting. If he doesn't like HoTS he shouldn't qualify for a HoTS tournament. He shoudl atleast have given his spot up.
Have a nice day ;)
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12169 Posts
November 02 2015 19:21 GMT
#138
On November 03 2015 04:16 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 04:12 Incognoto wrote:
meh i'm getting annoyed at this thread

i don't personally care about lilbow (just a foreigner and a protoss player, says a lot really), but the guy did what none of the other drips did and won wcs. he went through a lot of good players.

to say that he was unprepared for the match is a stretch, since he had probably prepared some shit. we didn't see it because he got all-in'd three times in a row.

it's bad foresight on his part, but that's how it rolls. were his builds unsafe? maybe, maybe that's all he knew. maybe he figured that life would take him seriously and he'd get at least one game going the way he wanted. we'll never know and frankly who gives a shit.

foreigners are bad, so why not blame all foreigners for being bad instead of laying the blame on the ONE SINGLE foreigner who managed to make it, just because he didn't live up to your expectations versus one of the favorites to take the entire damn thing.

lol, calm yourselves

it's often said already that the games aren't the problem but his unprofessional attitude.


It's often said but it's not true. If he had lost three macro games, there would be no thread. If he had cheesed three times and Life had defended, there would be no thread. Inno said that he didn't prepare, but he looked good in his game, so nobody would claim that he was disrespectful for saying it.
No will to live, no wish to die
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24194 Posts
November 02 2015 19:24 GMT
#139
Overall I think he just had an insanely awkward communication. I never liked the guy nor his style, and as I said before this doesn't help, but there was no malice. Just insane awkwardness and stupidity. I hope he learns his lesson, shuts his twitter down for some days and then keeps his nose to the grindstone unless LotV dies out.
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
November 02 2015 19:25 GMT
#140
Oh my. Someone didn't make the exact same choices I imagine I would have made in his shoes.
Oh my. Someone did a thing competing in a video game I feel is disrespectful and unprofessional.
Better announce to the world that I lost all respect for Lilbow and I will no longer cheer for him!
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