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On November 03 2015 03:27 KrOeastbound wrote: Yeah it was a poor performance. At least Hydra won and Polt put up a decent fight so the WCS scene doesn't look too shabby. I'm afraid this is going to haunt him for a while either way.
And someone really should stop him tweeting about it.
Edit: Should've been a reply to CrimeCat's post. Weird
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On November 03 2015 03:41 sitromit wrote: Storm in a teacup.
Player who qualified by winning a charity mickey mouse tournament doesn't practice because he knows he has zero chance. Believes he can get ahead by switching to the expansion, like all the foreigners did back at the end of WoL, only to get demolished by Koreans who came to IEM having played a handful of HotS games. Remember Grubby and all the other foreigners who had switched to completely HotS months before it came out, because the game was going to be so much better and they, having had a head start compared to Koreans, were going to be relevant and competitive? Yeah... How dare you question the legitimacy of the qualification process for BlizzCon?! All sixteen players qualified because no-one else in the entire world could challenge their well earned spots. Are you saying Lilbow was less of a legitimate contender for winning BlizzCon than say soO? Don't be ridiculous, please.
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On November 03 2015 03:48 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 03:47 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 03:39 stuchiu wrote: I mean this has all happened before. The last WoL tournament was GSL where the top 8 was Innovation, Symbol, Curious, Parting, Taeja, Soulkey, MC and Roro.
They all dropped down in results because the rest of the world had moved on to HotS and then......
Oh wait nevermind, Innovation became the best Terran in the world, Symbol got two ro8s in Korean lans and top 4 at HSC, Curious got a top 4 at IEM NY beating sOs and Flash (who was in good form at the time), Parting became one of the best Protoss, Taeja continued being stronger than ever, Soulkey became the best Zerg, MC got WCS EU 2nd place twice and Roro got two ro8s in Korean/WCS Final leagues.
Nope, guess there isnt any historical evidence of results downsliding because the competition had a few more months of practice. There was an actual DH qualifier in the beta. I can't see any of the names of the Blizzcon participant's besides Lilbow's in the section "qualified". Somehow there is an immidiate payoff for playing LotV before the others here that you kind of don't mention, no? All 15 other participants wouldn't have been allowed to play in the DH qualifiers because they're Koreans anyway. Oh yeah, true. Still, Lilbow is there. And he wouldn't be otherwise, except for hoping to catch that one wild card for Westerners they give away.
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On November 03 2015 03:39 Dodgin wrote: I'm wondering if the backlash would have been the same if one of the Korean players claimed this and then won their match.
I think this is more of a case of foreign player fans projecting their insecurities and lofty expectations onto their only hope, and taking his decision far too personally.
I'd bet the reactions from the Korean community would be the exact same or if anything much harsher. I won't be surprised if a player gets kicked out of a team or get banned from certain tournaments for showing such poor attitude.
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I think lilbow will always get shit for this unless he wins one of the first lotv tournaments.
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On November 03 2015 03:51 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 03:48 Elentos wrote:On November 03 2015 03:47 Big J wrote:On November 03 2015 03:39 stuchiu wrote: I mean this has all happened before. The last WoL tournament was GSL where the top 8 was Innovation, Symbol, Curious, Parting, Taeja, Soulkey, MC and Roro.
They all dropped down in results because the rest of the world had moved on to HotS and then......
Oh wait nevermind, Innovation became the best Terran in the world, Symbol got two ro8s in Korean lans and top 4 at HSC, Curious got a top 4 at IEM NY beating sOs and Flash (who was in good form at the time), Parting became one of the best Protoss, Taeja continued being stronger than ever, Soulkey became the best Zerg, MC got WCS EU 2nd place twice and Roro got two ro8s in Korean/WCS Final leagues.
Nope, guess there isnt any historical evidence of results downsliding because the competition had a few more months of practice. There was an actual DH qualifier in the beta. I can't see any of the names of the Blizzcon participant's besides Lilbow's in the section "qualified". Somehow there is an immidiate payoff for playing LotV before the others here that you kind of don't mention, no? All 15 other participants wouldn't have been allowed to play in the DH qualifiers because they're Koreans anyway. Oh yeah, true. Still, Lilbow is there. And he wouldn't be otherwise, except for hoping to catch that one wild card for Westerners they give away. I too would give up on Blizzcon in order to qualify for a Dreamhack. PRIORITIES!
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As Poisonskin wrote so eloquently in the thread for Ro 16: I can't believe I stayed up so late on a work night to watch somebody who didn't even practice for the biggest tournament of his life.
And then same somebody goes on and says people who criticize his unprofessionalism are "Roaches".
Unbelievable.
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On November 03 2015 03:49 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 03:27 KrOeastbound wrote: Yeah it was a poor performance. At least Hydra won and Polt put up a decent fight so the WCS scene doesn't look too shabby. I'm afraid this is going to haunt him for a while either way. And someone really should stop him tweeting about it. https://twitter.com/LilbowSC/status/661231565708521472 If safe means scouting and reacting, then yes, he really should. This has nothing to do with the expansion at hand. Going for blind builds and expecting Life to play "honorably" is nothing but indifference.
Just wondering, would Lilbow have checked the the back of Moonlight Madness in LotV?
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sucks to be him. He should know better, LotV training won't pay ouf since Karmas a bitch. And Blizzard will roll out a pretty different multiplayer from the last beta version on release. Kinda looked like he wasn't the only one already prepping for LotV though >.<
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I would have been more happy to know that Life is a god who can cheese out top foreigners by 6 pooling in blizzcon than have anti-climatic storyline of a foreigner who just didn't practice get destroyed.
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meh i'm getting annoyed at this thread
i don't personally care about lilbow (just a foreigner and a protoss player, says a lot really), but the guy did what none of the other drips did and won wcs. he went through a lot of good players.
to say that he was unprepared for the match is a stretch, since he had probably prepared some shit. we didn't see it because he got all-in'd three times in a row.
it's bad foresight on his part, but that's how it rolls. were his builds unsafe? maybe, maybe that's all he knew. maybe he figured that life would take him seriously and he'd get at least one game going the way he wanted. we'll never know and frankly who gives a shit.
foreigners are bad, so why not blame all foreigners for being bad instead of laying the blame on the ONE SINGLE foreigner who managed to make it, just because he didn't live up to your expectations versus one of the favorites to take the entire damn thing.
lol, calm yourselves
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On November 03 2015 04:04 FeyFey wrote: Kinda looked like he wasn't the only one already prepping for LotV though >.< But he was the only one who didn't give a fuck about the tournament.
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On November 03 2015 03:49 DonDomingo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 03:41 sitromit wrote: Storm in a teacup.
Player who qualified by winning a charity mickey mouse tournament doesn't practice because he knows he has zero chance. Believes he can get ahead by switching to the expansion, like all the foreigners did back at the end of WoL, only to get demolished by Koreans who came to IEM having played a handful of HotS games. Remember Grubby and all the other foreigners who had switched to completely HotS months before it came out, because the game was going to be so much better and they, having had a head start compared to Koreans, were going to be relevant and competitive? Yeah... How dare you question the legitimacy of the qualification process for BlizzCon?! All sixteen players qualified because no-one else in the entire world could challenge their well earned spots. Are you saying Lilbow was less of a legitimate contender for winning BlizzCon than say soO? Don't be ridiculous, please.
Put soO in the WCS system and he would have made it lol
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this is a desaster for foreign pros that would give anything for a chance like this
foreigners are sometimes considered lazy and now they should be considered even more
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On November 03 2015 03:55 Crocolisk Dundee wrote:As Poisonskin wrote so eloquently in the thread for Ro 16: I can't believe I stayed up so late on a work night to watch somebody who didn't even practice for the biggest tournament of his life. And then same somebody then goes on and says people who criticize his unprofessionalism are "Roaches". Unbelievable.
And his Facebook post where he said he predicted Life would cheese, he could have beaten Life if he practiced, but decided LotV was more important.
He also lied about not being able to practice (ya, I'll take TLO's word over his any day of the week).
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On November 03 2015 04:12 Incognoto wrote: meh i'm getting annoyed at this thread
i don't personally care about lilbow (just a foreigner and a protoss player, says a lot really), but the guy did what none of the other drips did and won wcs. he went through a lot of good players.
to say that he was unprepared for the match is a stretch, since he had probably prepared some shit. we didn't see it because he got all-in'd three times in a row.
it's bad foresight on his part, but that's how it rolls. were his builds unsafe? maybe, maybe that's all he knew. maybe he figured that life would take him seriously and he'd get at least one game going the way he wanted. we'll never know and frankly who gives a shit.
foreigners are bad, so why not blame all foreigners for being bad instead of laying the blame on the ONE SINGLE foreigner who managed to make it, just because he didn't live up to your expectations versus one of the favorites to take the entire damn thing.
lol, calm yourselves it's often said already that the games aren't the problem but his unprofessional attitude.
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Lilbow is disgusting. If he doesn't like HoTS he shouldn't qualify for a HoTS tournament. He shoudl atleast have given his spot up.
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On November 03 2015 04:16 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 04:12 Incognoto wrote: meh i'm getting annoyed at this thread
i don't personally care about lilbow (just a foreigner and a protoss player, says a lot really), but the guy did what none of the other drips did and won wcs. he went through a lot of good players.
to say that he was unprepared for the match is a stretch, since he had probably prepared some shit. we didn't see it because he got all-in'd three times in a row.
it's bad foresight on his part, but that's how it rolls. were his builds unsafe? maybe, maybe that's all he knew. maybe he figured that life would take him seriously and he'd get at least one game going the way he wanted. we'll never know and frankly who gives a shit.
foreigners are bad, so why not blame all foreigners for being bad instead of laying the blame on the ONE SINGLE foreigner who managed to make it, just because he didn't live up to your expectations versus one of the favorites to take the entire damn thing.
lol, calm yourselves it's often said already that the games aren't the problem but his unprofessional attitude.
It's often said but it's not true. If he had lost three macro games, there would be no thread. If he had cheesed three times and Life had defended, there would be no thread. Inno said that he didn't prepare, but he looked good in his game, so nobody would claim that he was disrespectful for saying it.
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Overall I think he just had an insanely awkward communication. I never liked the guy nor his style, and as I said before this doesn't help, but there was no malice. Just insane awkwardness and stupidity. I hope he learns his lesson, shuts his twitter down for some days and then keeps his nose to the grindstone unless LotV dies out.
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Oh my. Someone didn't make the exact same choices I imagine I would have made in his shoes. Oh my. Someone did a thing competing in a video game I feel is disrespectful and unprofessional. Better announce to the world that I lost all respect for Lilbow and I will no longer cheer for him!
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